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#976
Aroihkin

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TanithAeyrs wrote...

Is there anywhere else to post them? FF.net is rather annoying with the ransomware problem but it is nice to get the e-mail alerts and the format is easy to read. I confess I don't really like reading fics in the forums, long posts are hard to read with the text size and color scheme.

I have to admit, I only discovered FF recently - I read a little on the old Bioware forums and found links to FF.net after the new Social site was up and running. In my defense, I have only had an internet connection at home since 2005.

For this particular fandom, just about anywhere will probably do. AO3, perhaps? I've been thinking of cross-posting there. But for most fandoms, ffnet has an utter chokehold on anyone who wants to write -- no one looks anywhere else for fanfic. Someone like myself who normally writes in small, obscure, or forgotten fandoms is rather locked into the place, although that doesn't stop me from making a backup copy on my personal webspace.

Livejournal would be an option, since you can "subscribe" to a community or journal and get notices when it / they update, but it has its own problems as well. Shifting TOS with a not-so-distant history of stupid deletions, ocassionally rampant plagarism, and bots. So many bots, copying entries to themselves and to advertising sites so that they come up in google, etcetera... and their notifications are anything but reliable.

This is why my backup is my own site, with reviews hosted on ffnet (and backed-up manually on my site), anonymous reviewing enabled on ffnet, and an LJ comm where I post update notices for folks who don't want to register on ffnet to get notices there. I haven't figured out anything better yet. :/

AO3 is supposed to be the revolution or something, but... we'll see.



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Yeah, I was a paid member back in like 2001-2002. I wanted to... support it? It cost the same as an LJ subscription at the time, IIRC.

And then they started screwing with things, and I never did it again. *shrug*

Well, the cost of the free site now is the annoyance of ads every time you go to a new chapter...it's swimming with ads, but it's free *shrugs* - I wonder what programs they have following me about now.
Now, I’m getting more paranoid than usual. <_<

They lost their "early adoption" subscribers because they started screwing people, they didn't start screwing people because they lost their subscribers. I don't even see a method for subscribing anymore... so clearly they prefer their virus-laden ad revenue anyway.

I don't even see their ads, I have so much adblocking stuff set up on my browsers.

Modifié par Aroihkin, 08 mai 2010 - 05:44 .


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Aroihkin wrote...
For this particular fandom, just about anywhere will probably do. AO3, perhaps?


I've been cross-posting to AO3.  I can't stand putting things on LJ or these forums because of formatting issues. The formatting on AO3 is incredible and I love it so much more than FFnet.  But it doesn't have the alerts like ffnet or the cracky stats page that I have become addicted to.  Also, not as many people frequent AO3.  I suppose if there was a huge migration, more people might start to use it, but I Think for now, we are stuck with FFNet.

As for the redoing of the formatting, you are stuck.  They are probably NOT going to go back and reformat what has been reformatted.  You'll have to go in and add in the dividers yourself :(  I was lucky that in my huge story, I used those stupid line dividers.  I did have at least 2 stories hit, though, with the removal of ~'s.  

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Tasmen wrote...

Aroihkin wrote...
For this particular fandom, just about anywhere will probably do. AO3, perhaps?


I've been cross-posting to AO3.  I can't stand putting things on LJ or these forums because of formatting issues. The formatting on AO3 is incredible and I love it so much more than FFnet.  But it doesn't have the alerts like ffnet or the cracky stats page that I have become addicted to.  Also, not as many people frequent AO3.  I suppose if there was a huge migration, more people might start to use it, but I Think for now, we are stuck with FFNet.

As for the redoing of the formatting, you are stuck.  They are probably NOT going to go back and reformat what has been reformatted.  You'll have to go in and add in the dividers yourself :(  I was lucky that in my huge story, I used those stupid line dividers.  I did have at least 2 stories hit, though, with the removal of ~'s.

Good to hear someone uses and likes AO3, I've been wary of it mostly because there isn't that much said about it yet, although the DA fandom seems to be taking to it well so far. I might give it a whirl, though I'm always going to be stuck at least crossposting to ffnet. Especially for my non-DA stories.

And no, I've never seen them go back and fix a story. Requiem for the Dream, my main srs bsns fanfic, had its formatting ripped out of it sometime in the last four years... and I didn't know about it until I went to check an old scene recently and saw how incoherent it had been turned in my absence. Lovely stuff, that.

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Hmm, I may have to check on AO3 as well. I too, am addicted to the stats page. You and me Tasmen. "Hi, my name is Gilgamesh, also known as Erynnar, and I am FF Stats bar addict..."


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Aroihkin wrote...

*sidles in randomly* The built-in hr divider has been eaten before as well, make no mistake. It does happen far less often, however. I've only seen it happen twice, I believe.


Arrrrrgh. XD How incredibly frustrating...

I'm still aggravated that simple "- - - - -" is too much for them to cope with, having had to fix all my stories twice within two weeks. It's less intrusive than the hr bar across the entire page... but at least they didn't just up and delete all instances of these "feature" characters, this time, scene-break or otherwise.


Yeah, it's just...crazy. I used a few *s for my linebreaks. They are still there in my old stories if I export a chapter and use the Edit feature, it just doesn't show up when published.

Ah well...all sites have their issues I guess.

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Gilgamesh1138

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I too have lost breaks, and had to replace them. I use the underscore for it, and it went bye bye.


#982
Shadow of Light Dragon

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Also, how to make links in the forum: ;)

[ url=www.blah.com ] Name of site here! [ /url ]

Remove the spaces in the url bits, and replace the www.blah.com with an actual link, and you get:

Name of site here!

Note this link will go nowhere because www.blah.com isn't a real site. I'm surprised, really. o_O

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*blushes in shame* Thanks Shadow! I try and ask my husband, but he is a lousy teacher. He just takes over and does it, but doesn't explain. So, I wind up looking like a doofus. Okay, I am a doofus, but still. *sigh*

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Good discussion on FF other sites and beer...

FF and I are still in the courtship stage so I see very little wrong. Not denying there are issues, though, and those stats... It's like someone telling you they love you every few minutes, from Kazikstan, wow!

As for beer. UK here but we have microbrews, I like Badger or Prince's of Wales stuff, organic, great, drink beer, help the dolphins as my mother's partner would say ...

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#985
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*catches up*

No surprise, we have a bunch of great local beer in the Land of Beer and Cheese.  Even my stupid tiny town has a decent microbrewery. Posted Image  We really don't drink anything else, outside of those few.  Well, beer wise anyway.

I have an AO3 account, but I wasn't impressed with them when I actually tried to upload something.  Maybe I'm being dense.  It felt more like the story had to be finished before uploading... and that's not gonna work for me.  And if what Tas said is true, and there's no alerts or stats... meh.  Maybe I'll use it to 'archive' my finished stuff (hence why it's called 'Archive' Of Our Own, perhaps?)

I'm at a stalling point... Tas went and made me all self-concious about my Cousie wandering around the halls of Vigil's Keep... I think she'd have an idea where the Howe's personal quarters were, but she hasn't been there in years... anyway.  I'll figure it out (once I beta something else for someone, that is)

Hey, that's a question I've been meaning to ask.  When/if you beta something for someone, how do you do it?  I'm a pretty wicked (in both the evil and the slang sense) editor, but I tend to miss the forest for the trees a lot.  Do you edit phrasing, or do you just spell/grammar check?  Or do you just read it for flow and character consistancy?

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What happened to the beer talk? =(

:P

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odiedragon wrote...

I have an AO3 account, but I wasn't impressed with them when I actually tried to upload something.  Maybe I'm being dense.  It felt more like the story had to be finished before uploading... and that's not gonna work for me.  And if what Tas said is true, and there's no alerts or stats... meh.  Maybe I'll use it to 'archive' my finished stuff (hence why it's called 'Archive' Of Our Own, perhaps?)


I'm mostly using it as an archive incase my thumb drives dies or ffnet disappears OR they fark with formatting again.

I'm at a stalling point... Tas went and made me all self-concious about my Cousie wandering around the halls of Vigil's Keep... I think she'd have an idea where the Howe's personal quarters were, but she hasn't been there in years... anyway. 


How in the world did I make you self-conscious about that? If ever there was a Cousie that would know where Nate's room was, it was /your/ Cousie.  *whistle*  She's a knowing type of gal and all.  Uh huh :devil:


Hey, that's a question I've been meaning to ask.  When/if you beta something for someone, how do you do it?  I'm a pretty wicked (in both the evil and the slang sense) editor, but I tend to miss the forest for the trees a lot.  Do you edit phrasing, or do you just spell/grammar check?  Or do you just read it for flow and character consistancy?


Depends on who I'm beta'ing for.  I look for the obvious spelling/grammar things.  I edit phrasing sometimes and repetitive word use if I notice it.   Some folks really only need the spelling/grammar check and others have needed to be hit wth a stick of red like no other.   I do always, however, keep the story in tact.  I'll change around words, maybe offer a suggested re-write of a section, but I'll keep the author's intent in tact.

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leeboi2 wrote...

What happened to the beer talk? =(
:P


It is always a topic close to my heart and mind.  Beer beer beer.  Yum yum yum.  In my belly.

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odiedragon wrote...

Hey, that's a question I've been meaning to ask.  When/if you beta something for someone, how do you do it?  I'm a pretty wicked (in both the evil and the slang sense) editor, but I tend to miss the forest for the trees a lot.  Do you edit phrasing, or do you just spell/grammar check?  Or do you just read it for flow and character consistancy?


"You write to communicate to the hearts and minds of others what's burning inside you. And we edit to let the fire show through the smoke."

--Arthur Plotnik, editor and author (b. 1937)

I do all the above when I edit, and I try to offer several different suggestions to the authors to make sure I understand their intent.  "If you meant this here's one suggestion, but if you meant this then this one." 

And, I admit that this is bad since that means I'm not a fast beta reader.  However, the worst thing for me to do as an editor is to impose my style on theirs.  I edit to help clarify meaning and bring out the beauty of the existing prose. 

Also, it’s so much easier to have real-time editing sessions (like via Skype) because you have a conversation than a one-sided reading.  So many things get lost in the translation and assumptions.

Which reminds me - back to writing and editing for me now that I have coffee.  :D

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Tasmen wrote...

I do always, however, keep the story in tact.  I'll change around words, maybe offer a suggested re-write of a section, but I'll keep the author's intent in tact.


Ditto...what she said.  ;)

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What about self-publishing, on a blog or something like that? Does anyone do that here/

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What about self-publishing, on a blog or something like that? Does anyone do that here/


I'm obviously avoiding work, but I've thought about the blog thing. 

I have a blog but I don't put any of my creative stuff on there, well maybe a haiku attempt or two.  Perhaps it’s the more immediate/daily nature of a blog and I use that for posting musings, albeit focused musing, rather than a project – ‘cause you know not everyone can be as prolific as others with the fan fiction chapter postings (looking at you Gil).

Also, I find the blogging a bit isolating (guess I need friends :huh:) from the ffnet community where you can connect with other authors and see their work.  I don’t know, but whatever works for people to be creative is all good to me. 

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Wow, I am behind!



@ odie, well I am a content beta. I am like Tasmen (who ROCKS as a beta) and I tend to read for content, flow, repeat phrasing, and obvious grammar mistakes. My grammar sucks and I love putting commas in willy nilly. Hence I have Ette (who ROCKS) as a beta for me. odie, If I had any idea you were a beta I would have bugged you too. I am such a noob.



And BEER! There just for Tasmen. : D

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I don't have a beta, luls.

I have two friends who I cut and paste chunks of the story to in IM sometimes to get their opinion on stuff I am unsure on, butttttttttttttt, eh.

Not sure if I should get one >.>

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Yeah, I too am betaless...

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First time posting on this thread. I like people to help me whatever it is I think I'm weak on. I'm Swedsih, so no matter how good my English is, I'm bound to use some really odd way of stringing words together now and then. And it helps me no end to discuss the female point of view with a woman when I try to charcterize a female character in depth.

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I admire those that write in a language that is foreign to them. I for one would not do so well. My hats off to you. I didn't have a beta for a long time. But I really like having them.


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I don't have a beta for any of mine =( I'm one sad panda.

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I will gladly beta for you for content, and minor grammar if you want me too leeboi2. For grammar, punctuation in particular, there are many good betas. I actually found our dear Ette was one through the FF. And I have a retired English teacher as a beta, who is a fan and emailed to offered. It was totally a "Fortune favor me" moment.

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Grrr. Stoopid FFnet's formatting is being an arse again. Stoopid. Stoopid.



Feel better now. Virtual rant over. :)