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[Maeves_Child]

It wasn't gospel. Sorry if you took it that way. People ARE beautiful and ugly and plain. Good, bad and somewhere inbetween. Figured that sounded pretty true to me.



I suppose people could be mice, too. But I've yet to run into one. Except in the fade of course.



Don't take my exposition too seriously. I am writer, after all. We're into these dramatic statements, you know?

[ReubenLiew]

A Sue only counts as a Sue if they're from fanfiction.

Otherwise they're just a Canon Sue, which should not exist anyway, it's just the Superman Effect.



I don't like arbritary character flaws either. I can certainly understand that these things are what make a character interesting, but when people start adding flaws JUST so they can say it's not really a Mary Sue the character doesn't feel believable either. I find the Struggle is far more important than the mental development of a character like Maria says, even if your character is without a noticable character flaw (Like Conan) the character itself is very interesting because he has to struggle in a world using his wits and physical limitations. A TRUE Mary Sue is one that has no struggle, even with their character flaws, or at least this is what I believe.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Mm...perhaps I chose my words poorly when I went for 'flawed' and 'character development'.



I'm picking up some unpleasant vibes in this thread anyway, so I'm going to pull out.

[ReubenLiew]

But this discussion was just getting interesting!

[Tasmen]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I'm picking up some unpleasant vibes in this thread anyway, so I'm going to pull out.

....that's what she said...

Ok, sorry, I couldn't resist :innocent:

[AdorableAnarchist]

LdyShayna wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Strangle your inner critic until he's constructive. Mine is currently locked up in a cage. I feed him bad poetry.

This is definitely something I must master.  Not only is my inner critic free, she tosses around personal insults in addition to the nasty critiques.  The weenie.

Ok, this is going to be terribly Freudian, but...

I picture my Inner Critic looking like my ex-husband. He was convinced that he would write the next GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL and that my stories were silly little trifles... Yeah, guess which one of us is published? It makes me stop and really look at the criticism in my head -- is it valid or am I trying to overthink myself into stopping because of fear... Now, if I could just find more time to write... I've tried going without sleep and just end up sick as a dog. LOL I need to win the lottery because work interfers.

[Sialater]

Yeah, work sucks. But I love my house.

[AdorableAnarchist]

I've been toying with writing a fic about my Shep. I have a definite characterization that I'm playing for her and base all of my choices on that -- so, she's both a paragon and a renegade. Because, very few people are always good or always bad. Her reasoning behind her choices would, in my opnion, make a story -- but then, that's how I write fanfic. I like to take the cannon characters and delve into their little pixelated minds and unravel to see what makes them tick... Writing for someone like Jack would be an amazing experience because of everything that she is made up of -- all of which is cannon... For instance, her sitting in the hold of the ship after her personal quest is finished. How is she handling the outcome that my Shep's personal beliefs helped deliver? How is she handling suddenly becoming part of a team and beginning to trust this woman who suddenly appears in her life?



To me, that is the stuff of fanfic. Taking canmon characters and not so much tossing them into new adventures, although, that's a blast too, but seeking to gain an understanding of them. Everyone will view them differently due to personal perspectives and experiences (and THAT is a whole other debate that goes into Anthropology and Philosophy LOL), so it's always going to be interesting to at least see where people take them, even if I don't particularly like the story or writing.

[AdorableAnarchist]

Sialater wrote...

Yeah, work sucks. But I love my house.

And it pays for my shoe and handbag addiction. LOL

However, I took a snow day today so the Boy could have a real one (and not have to go to day camp) and I'm planning on doing some writing after I finish some grant writing. And laundry... Always laundry.

[Sialater]

AdorableAnarchist wrote...

I've been toying with writing a fic about my Shep. I have a definite characterization that I'm playing for her and base all of my choices on that -- so, she's both a paragon and a renegade. Because, very few people are always good or always bad. Her reasoning behind her choices would, in my opnion, make a story -- but then, that's how I write fanfic. I like to take the cannon characters and delve into their little pixelated minds and unravel to see what makes them tick... Writing for someone like Jack would be an amazing experience because of everything that she is made up of -- all of which is cannon... For instance, her sitting in the hold of the ship after her personal quest is finished. How is she handling the outcome that my Shep's personal beliefs helped deliver? How is she handling suddenly becoming part of a team and beginning to trust this woman who suddenly appears in her life?

To me, that is the stuff of fanfic. Taking canmon characters and not so much tossing them into new adventures, although, that's a blast too, but seeking to gain an understanding of them. Everyone will view them differently due to personal perspectives and experiences (and THAT is a whole other debate that goes into Anthropology and Philosophy LOL), so it's always going to be interesting to at least see where people take them, even if I don't particularly like the story or writing.

Heh, I'm playing my shep the same way.  She's got a temper. I've been working on a series of Captain's logs for her since I think Shep should be a 1st person POV.

[AdorableAnarchist]

Exactly! I love the idea of logs for her... Hmmm... I am intrigued.



I also can't type because I'm trying to thaw out form playing in the snow. Had to remind the Boy that Momma is the baddest snowball fighter on the block. LOL

[Sialater]

AdorableAnarchist wrote...

Exactly! I love the idea of logs for her... Hmmm... I am intrigued.

I also can't type because I'm trying to thaw out form playing in the snow. Had to remind the Boy that Momma is the baddest snowball fighter on the block. LOL

I can send you the first one I was compelled to write.  Can't post it here, it's a spoiler, obviously.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Ok forgive me, I just found this thread, and I was trying to catch up. I am with you Adorable. My inner critic looks like a friend I game with who thinks fanfiction is stupid and anyone who writes one is a failed author bacause they are using someone else's property and ideas to base a story on.  

 I am published (though that was year ago)  and I am writing fanfic. *gulps* 206,426 words and 68 chapters. One story so far. EEP, I don't think I should have looked at my own stats, I scared myself.   And now my inner critic is at it again.  I think I should lock it in a cage and feed it bad poetry like another poster has with theirs.  

But, I am enjoying writing it. And I am really addicted to reviews.  And admitting that is the first step in revovery right?

Oh and a Shep with a temper. I likey! : ) I also love the ideas of Captain's logs.

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 05 avril 2010 - 04:48 .

[Maria13]

relhart wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

4,008 words and far too many hours stare back at you and say, "Not only is this boring, but the characters don't seem to be anything like the ones in the game at all!"

Also, as anyone else addicted to reviews?

I'd say thats a good thing.  When I write the most important thing to me is making unique characters.  I never saw the point or appeal of using preexisting ones or worlds as a backdrop.  I wouldn't say all fanfiction sucks.. some of it is readable, I just don't understand being drawn to write it from an authors perspective.  Lots of people are though apparently...so I'm willing to accept I'm just the odd man out concerning it.

I'm very new to fan fiction but its appeal to me is precisely this, it gives a peg, a pre-existing structure, set up and characters to use in your writing.  I'm one of those people, and always have been, who have been constantly confounded by open essay assignments but who seem to do their best work when what is required is tightly framed and who find freedom in restrictions.

Also there is, I think, the "come here, baby" impulse, the feeling that this character deserves better or more or that you would like to see how they cope with...  Whatever.   And "whatever" is lame way to finish a comment, but there you go...

[Masticetobbacco]

most fan fiction here is written by bored wives with nothing better to do. Most of it is terribly written, impossibly hot, dream guy rommance, and no action at all >.<

the few fan fictions that consist of mainly action are all stories of overpowered mary sues destroying everything because their power level is over 9000

Modifié par Masticetobbacco, 06 avril 2010 - 09:07 .

[LadyDamodred]

Shockingly enough, a lot of things done solely for entertainment are about wish fulfillment. In a case like this, you are taking heroes and writing your own personal visions of them. And there's no harm in it. It's not like anyone here is trying to get published. Though, it is very obvious to me that publishing standards leave alot to be desired. *coughstephaniemeyertwilightcough*



Personally, I dislike stories that make characters too awesome or too flawed. When nothing can even come close to harming the hero, I feel it jerks me right of the story. And when a character does nothing but berate and flagellate themselves, it makes me want to stab them. Granted, I sometimes do that to a character, but there is always a reason they are so broken. Personally, I strive to incoporate a sense of realism. I also try for a balance between just a love story and action. I may not be successful, but I try.



And there's nothing wrong with impossibly hot, dreamy guy romance. >.>

[Masticetobbacco]

Fine



why don't I just write a story about an impossibly hot man, picks up a magical sword and shield that gets fairy upgrades, gets a party, organizes a 10 man raid into the dragon's lair, and kills the dragon, rescues the princess. Gets married. Then the other half of the story is all romance and happily ever after.



like that hasnt been done before...

[LadyDamodred]

I think you missed the part where I said I dislike that type of stuff.  XD
If that kind of stuff amuses people, then it's fine for fanfic.  All I'm saying is a little fantasy never hurt anyone.

[Astranagant]

I thought this was going to be a troll thread and I'd get in on the action, but... Oh well.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Well, most,  I don't know about.  Some maybe writen by bored housewives. I am not bored, nor am I a housewife, LOL.  As to how good it is, some are very well written. And some are crap.  and most fall somewhere in between.  If you don't like fanfiction don't read it.  But if you don't read it, then you have no reason to criticize it either. 

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 07 avril 2010 - 03:21 .

[Miri1984]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

most fan fiction here is written by bored wives with nothing better to do. Most of it is terribly written, impossibly hot, dream guy rommance, and no action at all >.<

the few fan fictions that consist of mainly action are all stories of overpowered mary sues destroying everything because their power level is over 9000

Speaking as someone who has never been a "bored" housewife, I think you're being a bit pompous. As far as hobbies go, writing is one of the most rewarding and intellectually stimulating you can have. If we were sitting around playing chess or even drawing you wouldn't be so critical. 

And honestly, I haven't read any fics here that are like the ones you describe. Most of them are actually pretty good and consist of people with developing skills sharing with others who are sympathetic and interested in the subject matter. I write fan fic because I love the characters and want to explore them more - I also love having the structures that a previous poster mentioned already in place.

I write non-fan fiction as well, and it is a totally different experience to writing fanfic. Fan fiction is an exercise in fantasy and it's how I relax. As Terry Pratchett once said, "writing is the best fun that anyone can have by themselves."

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

Fine

why don't I just write a story about an impossibly hot man, picks up a magical sword and shield that gets fairy upgrades, gets a party, organizes a 10 man raid into the dragon's lair, and kills the dragon, rescues the princess. Gets married. Then the other half of the story is all romance and happily ever after.

like that hasnt been done before...

I'm sorry, but is it only FANFICTION that's being accused of producing stuff like this?

[Gilgamesh1138]

Well the best fun you can have by yourself save one other thing... ROLF. Sorry I had to be cheeky. I agree Miri1984. I have only run into a few fanfics that were a little one dimensional. I have read some really exceptional works, yours included. : )

[TanithAeyrs]

Miri1984 wrote...


Speaking as someone who has never been a "bored" housewife, I think you're being a bit pompous. As far as hobbies go, writing is one of the most rewarding and intellectually stimulating you can have. If we were sitting around playing chess or even drawing you wouldn't be so critical. 

And honestly, I haven't read any fics here that are like the ones you describe. Most of them are actually pretty good and consist of people with developing skills sharing with others who are sympathetic and interested in the subject matter. I write fan fic because I love the characters and want to explore them more - I also love having the structures that a previous poster mentioned already in place.

I write non-fan fiction as well, and it is a totally different experience to writing fanfic. Fan fiction is an exercise in fantasy and it's how I relax. As Terry Pratchett once said, "writing is the best fun that anyone can have by themselves."

Bravo Miri, very well said.  Having also never been a "bored" housewife (I think a lot of us are busy working moms or career women) I agree with you completely.  Crafting a story, even within established parameters, takes a lot of effort and thought.  FF gives me a forum to expiriment with my writing style and improve my writing skills, and it's lots of fun.  I play with characters in FF that are very unlike the characters that I write in my non- FF stories.  

There are so many talented writers in the DA:O FF community, for someone to dismiss all the stories with an off base generalization is just silly. 

[Gilgamesh1138]

Ah ha! And two more of my favorite writers jump into the fray! Shadow and Tanith. YAY!



And Shadow is right, that generalization is not exclusive to FF.



And well said Tanith! I too find it helps me to hone my writing skills, even for the emails I have to write at work. : )