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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I'm curious about the appeal of Fan Fiction (not trying to be insulting or judgmental, I just don't understand it). To me, as a writer, I don't feel comfortable writing about other peoples creations. I write about my characters in my setting. And as a reader, I don't feel a desire to read stories that aren't canon.

Inspiration strikes where it will…and if it hits me because of a game, I write fanfiction.

It’s…actually nothing more complex than that for me. I like to write, and have no qualms about using ideas a game has sparked. I only use the game as history though, not the basis of my stories. Some of the characters I use simply because I love the characters and want to keep playing with them.

As a reader, I just like reading stories that are written well or entertaining. Canon be damned. If it’s good reading it’s good reading.

Edit:: Missed your post Gil! Canon basically means 'official', or 'sanctioned by the actual creators'. Stuff we make up isn't canon in the Dragon Age universe.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 21 mai 2010 - 06:02 .

[Gilgamesh1138]

See, what Shadow said. I should just delete my stupid post. So many more eloquent people, than myself.

I know what canon means, but I hate that word. I meant what is that supposed to mean in regards to works tht haven't been read?  How would you know if they are canon or not without, you know, reading them?  Really it is a stuck up prissy word. Probably because I have had it thrust at me by people using it as a measuring stick, while looking down their nose... "Oh that isn't canon..."' Blah blah blah. I can't be bothered to read your work because it isn't 'canon.'  Yeah. LOL! 

You know what, read it then tell me it is ****e.  That I could understand, and respect. But I hate when someone throws that stupid little pissing word out there as an excuse to not read ( your work, or Miri's, or odie's, or Tasmen's) because, well, it might not be "canon."  I guess I just hate when people make assumptions about works I know are just fantastic.  Why assume you won' t like them?  Why not read a few, and say you know what, I don't really like fanfic?  I tried it, and yeah, I will avoid it?  *rolls eyes*  Anyhoo, tired, b****y and going to pour myself into bed. 

Shadow, don't let me ever catch someone saying your work isn't worth reading. I am a fierce defneder of my favorite fanfics.

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 21 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Tasmen]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I'm curious about the appeal of Fan Fiction (not trying to be insulting or judgmental, I just don't understand it). To me, as a writer, I don't feel comfortable writing about other peoples creations. I write about my characters in my setting. And as a reader, I don't feel a desire to read stories that aren't canon.

I suppose I don't look at it as using other people's creations so much as fleshing out stories I wish would have been written but were not?  A lot of fanfic out there DO have original characters in it -- the Warden.  These are the characters you create when you play a role playing game. 

I think some people just want to continue the stories of these characters -- be it filling in plotholes you wish had been filled or even writing the royal wedding you wished there had been in the game.  Thus the attraction of fanfic.

For me?  Before playing the game I never thought I would write fanfic.  In fact, I was a mocker of it.  Silly this and silly that.  But I played DA and suddenly I had ideas bouncing around in my head.  I came across some DA fanfic by accident when doing a search about game plots.  Two of the first stories I read were so well written that they got me to finally get off my ass and write again.  It had been 8+ years since I had written and I had been toying with the idea of writing again but just didn't have the gusto to get going.  Fanfic got me going.

I use fanfic as a means to practice and improve my writing style (and hey, to have fun) so that when I do start my original work (and I do have one in my head that I want to write), I can write a better story than if I had not practiced first. 

And you should keep in mind that not all fanfic is a retelling of the game.  There are some people that write truly wonderful and original stories that employ game canon and some NPC characters.  Others take minor characters (Cullen, Cauthrien, etc...) and flesh those characters out in a way the game never did.  All of these things are original works imho and some have even produced some fanon.

There are some truly talented writers out there producing DA fanfic.  They really are worth checking out.

[Tasmen]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...
Probably because I have had it thrust at me by people using it as a measuring stick, while looking down their nose... "Oh that isn't canon..."' Blah blah blah. Yeah. LOL!

Is canon another way of saying peepee?

Sorry, mind in gutter at all times.

That being said, I can forgive canon lapses if the story and writing are good. 

[Gilgamesh1138]

Yes Tasmen! I am in the gutter with you!



I can forgive as well, if it is well written.

[Tarante11a]

Stop saying all this now!!! I want you to save it up and talk about it when we do the round-table!! Talk about... um... Tasmen, haven't you got any other hilarious websites to distract everyone with?



j/king ofc.

[Tasmen]

Tarante11a wrote...

Stop saying all this now!!! I want you to save it up and talk about it when we do the round-table!! Talk about... um... Tasmen, haven't you got any other hilarious websites to distract everyone with?

j/king ofc.

Well I could bust out with videos I have using the alt sex mod in game.  And then there is my collection of 'special' screenshots. 

[Miri1984]

Tarante11a wrote...

Stop saying all this now!!! I want you to save it up and talk about it when we do the round-table!! Talk about... um... Tasmen, haven't you got any other hilarious websites to distract everyone with?

j/king ofc.

Hey, we're ALWAYS happy to talk about this. Actually I think if you wind the thread back a bit we've had this conversation before.

Or did I dream it??

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I don't think think he was saying our stuff isn't worth reading (be gentle with him >.<). The way I read it, he just wanted to know what the *appeal* of fanfiction is, from a reader and writer perspective.



(Of course I could be completely wrong. >.> But I like to give the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we can convert him! For Fanfiction! )

[Miri1984]

Join us. JOIN US!

[Tellervo]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I'm curious about the appeal of Fan Fiction (not trying to be insulting or judgmental, I just don't understand it). To me, as a writer, I don't feel comfortable writing about other peoples creations. I write about my characters in my setting. And as a reader, I don't feel a desire to read stories that aren't canon.

This, somewhat.  I got started writing fanfic when I was about twelve, made the switch some time later, never looked back.  I read it on occasion, because sometimes a story just isn't over even if an author/creator says it is (you have to stop at some point, really), or because I enjoyed certain character and I'm not done with them.

DA has such a rich world that I can't help wanting to work in it.  There are places Gaider is quite clearly never going to go, and characters who may never reappear that I'm not ready to let go of.  There's a lot of stuff implied as going on in-game as well that doesn't get screen time, and fleshing that out is intriguing.  In DA, it's mostly the characters, for me.  This game has driven me to fanfic after years of mild disdain for it.

Edit: I promise I can spell gudder than that.  This is why I should employ a beta.

Modifié par Tellervo, 21 mai 2010 - 09:06 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

re: Tellervo's post



See?! OUR RANKS SWELL!

[Tellervo]

WHY does ff.net keep eating my formatting? RAGE.

[odiedragon]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I'm curious about the appeal of Fan Fiction (not trying to be insulting or judgmental, I just don't understand it). To me, as a writer, I don't feel comfortable writing about other peoples creations. I write about my characters in my setting. And as a reader, I don't feel a desire to read stories that aren't canon.

Me personally, I don't think I'd ever write for a 'verse that wasn't as open as you can find in a game.  Movies, TV shows, books, all these things have a strict canon.  An RPG though, especially *this* RPG, has so many ways it can go that a lot of the time there's no true canon, even if there are canon elements. 

The time and budget thing is particurally frustrating here, because the characters are so *good* but sometimes *cough*Awakening*cough* the writing is just SO BAD that there's a desire to take the same characters and both expand upon their stories while smoothing out/over the rough bits.

In addition, due to the nature of the corporate beast a lot of the time characters or charater arcs are cut/shortened for time and budget purposes.  This, to me, leaves a ton of wiggle room for people to expand upon.  Were this, say, a book, a lot more of these holes would have been filled.

I think that's the core of it, honestly.  You find these great characters and yet their story is unfinished.  Since this is an RPG, with greater personal investment on the part of the player/writer, you want to continue that story.  And since we don't have software developers and creative arty types and a corproate budget at our disposal, we write.  You know it's not canon, but good fic (and yes, it does exist, even if it's not up to the level of professional writing a lot of the time) takes the existing characters and puts them in situations where you say "Yes, I could see X-Character doing that." or "Wow, that's an intersting twist on Y-Character, but I can totally see why they went there".

We want to see more.  And since Bioware graciously allows us to do so, we create and share with others.  It's perfectly acceptable if you don't wish to read, however.

Modifié par odiedragon, 21 mai 2010 - 01:19 .

[nos_astra]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...
I'm curious about the appeal of Fan Fiction (not trying to be insulting or judgmental, I just don't understand it). To me, as a writer, I don't feel comfortable writing about other peoples creations. I write about my characters in my setting. And as a reader, I don't feel a desire to read stories that aren't canon.

As a reader I want to read how others perceive the DAO plot and characters, even though I may not always like it. Sometimes it makes me want to bang my head against a wall, sometimes it makes me think and eventually change my POV. I think I enjoy DAO even more because of it. It made me roleplay very different characters.

I prefer post-game stories. I prefer them as true to whatever canon or lore we may know, but good writing and an interesting can plot make up for canon violation. In DAO you are basically creating your own AU story with every new character but there are still some things that are set. DAO gives a lot of freedom ... sometimes accidentally due to inconsistencies or things that are left ambiguous. The more lore/canon is violated the less likely I'm going to enjoy a story.

As someone who wants to give writing a try it is a good practice and I can fill in things that are left open in the game. It's a challenge to take characters that are not your own and extend them in a way that is believable.

Modifié par klarabella, 21 mai 2010 - 04:59 .

[soignee]

I'm guilty of retelling origins but feel I can't do Missa's sequel until I do, as it's so integral to her character development (over coming years of resentment, bitterness and trying to find self-worth after living in Dust Town all your life isn't an instant thing) that I have to.

[Tasmen]

soignee wrote...

I'm guilty of retelling origins but feel I can't do Missa's sequel until I do, as it's so integral to her character development (over coming years of resentment, bitterness and trying to find self-worth after living in Dust Town all your life isn't an instant thing) that I have to.

I don't think there is anything wrong with retelling stories.  It's all in how you handle them.  I am doing one for Awakening after all because Nathaniel is well....unresistable to write.

[odiedragon]

Hell, my current epic goes as far as to show my Cousie long before Highever falls... I'm kind of nervous about covering game-time, honestly. I'm hoping that mixing it up with different POVs will help keep people interested.

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL! I am sorry Shadow, I did say not to take it as mean! I was just tired and grumpy. And I wasn't saying Rhys said fanfic is unworthy. I was saying I hated that word "canon," when it has been ill used.

I too write fanfic for the same reasons. But I will wait for Tara's podcast, like a good girl.

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 21 mai 2010 - 05:29 .

[soignee]

Someone talk me into publishing this chapter, I'm fretting. None of the "plot" mechanics I wanted in it has actually happened, and is more character development.

It's basically Dust Town angst followed by violence followed by more angst followed by VIOLENCE followed by bonin' Zevran. Oh, and a tattoo. A conversation about crabs.

[Danijou]

Tellervo wrote...

WHY does ff.net keep eating my formatting? RAGE.

I know, right. :{

I write fanfiction because the semi-decient RP I found told me lolno. Most of this nouveaux stuff is either really strangely AU or crossover crap (I've seen Naruto/Rent once) - which, yes, I hate, sue me!  Anyway, fanfic is my replacement RP. And it's turned out good for me - I get to practice characters I might use in a proper book i've been thinking about. I also get to actually flex the creative muscles, which is something I had neglected to do for nearly a year out of bitterness at the lack of a paycheck.

[Danijou]

You should publish it just because I'm curious the hell kind of conversation Zevran and Missa would have about crabs.

[soignee]

Danijou wrote...

You should publish it just because I'm curious the hell kind of conversation Zevran and Missa would have about crabs.

*waggles eyebrow* not what you think.

I published, I gave in. Chapter 18 up!

[Danijou]

Update your siggy, girl!