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[nos_astra]

Miri1984 wrote...

Maria, I'm wondering what you posted as well, because I regularly read there and I didn't recognise you - which one was it?

Edited to add: I found it. Actually there have been a few nasty comments going up on SIB lately - not sure if it's the same poster but she was RUDE I think . There was even a negative comment to AMWT which I was gobsmacked at, because it was a criticism of character choices rather than of writing or editing and I think that sort of thing should be handled privately! Especially on a fic that sooo many people follow and love.

BTW, I really liked your story on SIB .

Nope, the negative comment on AMWT was me.

[nos_astra]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Mrir, help me out here.  Which story was hers?

http://community.liv...bad/793865.html

[Miri1984]

klarabella wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Maria, I'm wondering what you posted as well, because I regularly read there and I didn't recognise you - which one was it?

Edited to add: I found it. Actually there have been a few nasty comments going up on SIB lately - not sure if it's the same poster but she was RUDE I think . There was even a negative comment to AMWT which I was gobsmacked at, because it was a criticism of character choices rather than of writing or editing and I think that sort of thing should be handled privately! Especially on a fic that sooo many people follow and love.

BTW, I really liked your story on SIB .

Nope, the negative comment on AMWT was me.

Oh wow. I'm just going to go and get a cup of tea to wash my foot down with . 

[LadyDamodred]

Miri1984 wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

Maria, I'm wondering what you posted as well, because I regularly read there and I didn't recognise you - which one was it?

Edited to add: I found it. Actually there have been a few nasty comments going up on SIB lately - not sure if it's the same poster but she was RUDE I think . There was even a negative comment to AMWT which I was gobsmacked at, because it was a criticism of character choices rather than of writing or editing and I think that sort of thing should be handled privately! Especially on a fic that sooo many people follow and love.

BTW, I really liked your story on SIB .

Nope, the negative comment on AMWT was me.

Oh wow. I'm just going to go and get a cup of tea to wash my foot down with . 

Hahaha.  AMWT has lost me, so I'm not following the comments, but talk about awkward. 

Miri:  Ty for link.  I think the comment should have been handled in pm, she handled it really well.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 24 mai 2010 - 11:37 .

[Miri1984]

Ah, that's a shame. I love it. But I read fast, so it doesn't take much out of me to follow multiple fics. On that, though, I have actually stopped starting to read new ones unless they're one-shots - I used to get up and write for an hour in the morning, now my in-box is full of story notifications and I end up reading instead . There are NOT enough hours in my day at the moment.



There's something to be said for constructive criticism and Klarabella was stating a justifiable opinion about AMWT, but the person who commented on Maria's was rude (and if they're also on this thread, then I'm not apologising for thinking that, no matter how bad my foot tastes!). There are ways of saying BTW, your punctuation could use a little beta-ing or you seem to have repeated this word a couple of times that aren't mean. Also no one is obliging you to read their fic! I get very snarky about people who write comments like "I didn't like this, it was dumb" because if you didn't like it the best way of demonstrating it is not to read any more of that person's fics...



Ranting a bit. Two nights of less than four hours sleep. Sorry if I'm muddled.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Miri, you're too much of a sweetie. And I too have had foot in mouth disease...ah rubber soles.



I read those comments and that person was rude. Like I said, two fingered salute (not you klarabella). I too get snarky when someone wants to tell me they could write my story better than me (and I don't mean punctuation).

[Gilgamesh1138]

AHHHHHHHhhhhhh!!!! The Goblins of Self Doubt are whispering in m ear!  Get 'em off!  Get  'em off! !  *runs around swattting at goblins riding on my neck and back*

Having trouble writing new chapter to Whispers! Bleh!

[Miri1984]

*stabs some goblins for Gil*



I am princess stabbity stab! Mwuahahahahah!



(less than four hours sleep, just a reminder to all)

[nos_astra]

Miri1984 wrote...

klarabella wrote...
Nope, the negative comment on AMWT was me.

Oh wow. I'm just going to go and get a cup of tea to wash my foot down with . 

Oh, no need to feel embarrassed because you thought my comments were unfriendly or rude or inappropriate. It would be terribly unfair of me to criticize people and not accept criticism in return.

In fact I feel terrible when trying to point out things that don't work in my opinion. Posting a critical comment is probably not so different from publishing a story. I often close my mail program or shut down the computer to keep me from going back and deleting everything ... I truly dread the reaction of the author.

I don't mean to be offensive but I have yet to find a safe way to post criticism without sounding arrogant or prodding, it is like walking an incredibly fine line. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.

As for AMWT, it used to be my favourite fic and I was probably one of those who actively recruited new readers by spreading the link and praising its quality. Believe me when I say that my disappointment is genuine and didn't simply snap at the authors just because. The latest romance-sub-plot twist felt extremely cheap and in no way at level with the quality of the writing I had praised before.

Others don't feel that way and some probably don't care as long as there is UST and smut looming around the corner, which is fair enough - just not my cup of tea. I love when things make sense, when they click.

I'm not sure if others are struggling about posting criticism as much as I do. Most people probably simply close the window, some really just snap. Maybe I'm providing some insight into the mind of a reviewer ... or maybe not, maybe I just like talking about myself.

I'll be on the other side soon enough ... I hope. If my inner critic will let me, he's not gentle with me either, want to slap the little nuisance. I bet some of you know that feeling. Don't hold back, it's natural.

PS: I might add that I'm ashamed about posting this, too. <_<

Modifié par klarabella, 25 mai 2010 - 08:04 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I have a hard time posting criticism too. I prefer to focus on what works and what an author does well than the negative, but from a writer perspective I don't mind criticism so long as it's constructive.



It can be a little harder when criticism is directed at plot, I think, because plot is usually the core of the story and no author wants to be told it's weak, rotten, or has little wormy things crawling inside it. Since a lot of the story hangs on the plot and its various twists and turns, and a lot of it is preconceived(?), hearing that it 'feels wrong' can be a serious blow to storyteller pride. That's not to say people shouldn't pipe up when they think it doesn't work, but once a chapter is published it's...published.



I second the "I love when things make sense, when they click." sentiment, btw. Random has its place, but the big story elements, IMO, should have some sort of lead up via the preceding pages of the story so that when the big stuff happens, even the stuff that is meant to be unexpected, it *works* and isn't out of the blue 'lolwut?'.



/soapbox >.>

[Miri1984]

I see exactly what you mean, Klarabella, and if a plot twist of AMWT had that affect on me I'd probably react similarly. But.. I probably would have pmd with a "what's your justification for this" rather than a public posting, and that's just my personal way of going about things because I'm terrified of crushing people's egos. I have pmd a few criticisms to people but to be honest I don't usually bother because I'm not emotionally invested in the fics enough to. With people I've gotten to "know" a bit better through conversing here I'll be a bit more detailed or point out more things because I feel confident that I'm not going to make them go and cry (of course I have no way of knowing if they do or not!).



I'm pretty sure the authors of AMWT aren't going to go off and cry about their critics, though. I agree that the twist was a bit out of left field but I actually liked where it went as opposed to not so I guess it's just a matter of personal preference.



I've only ever gotten one criticism of my plot and the point the person made was actually quite valid and I've been working to rectify it in later chapters, although IMO the damage has already been done and I can't really undo it.... .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ZOMG I have just joined the ranks of people missing stats in FF.Net!



Time to go cold turkey. XD

[odiedragon]

I think I may have joined you   I feel like a bad cell phone commercial - I have no bars!!

I've avoided saying anything about it in this thread, for fear I'd jinx myself... but I guess that didn't work.

This really sucks too 'cause I set up an Excel file where I've been copying my data into, so I can track my own data over multiple months.  Oh well 

Modifié par odiedragon, 25 mai 2010 - 01:46 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

ROFL! Great analogy. ;D

[Tasmen]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

ZOMG I have just joined the ranks of people missing stats in FF.Net!

Time to go cold turkey. XD

LOL..I just checked and mine are back.  Apparently, they can only give bars to a set # of people at a time..or so it appears.

[SurelyForth]

Mine broke, too, and I was thisclose to beating my single day record. *sob*

[Tasmen]

SurelyForth wrote...

Mine broke, too, and I was thisclose to beating my single day record. *sob*

Oooooh I hate that!!!!  Now you have me curious if your bioware handle matches your ffnet handle because I want to be nosy and look at your stuff!

[Gilgamesh1138]

As are mine Tas! So we get to trade off now?

[odiedragon]

I bet they just swapped working accounts to the bad server, and not-working ones to a good one!

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL that is what I thought too odie!

[Tasmen]

Tasmen wrote...


Oooooh I hate that!!!!  Now you have me curious if your bioware handle matches your ffnet handle because I want to be nosy and look at your stuff!

I r smurt and figured this out on my own.  I need to learn to read forum posting titles and authors.

[Gilgamesh1138]

LOL, Tas!



@odie, I love the cell phone analogy too! I am just sorry you all have to have that happen. Ugh I wanted my bars back , but not at the expense of everyone else's!

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL Ette, you are so right! I don't shun helpful crtitcism. You have been invaluable in your help to me. My grammar beta Janni has been revamping my early chapters, and has helped as well. I just find the mean people, hertofore to be known as "The Bitter Dregs," or TBDs like to pipe in with their snide and careless comments.

[Tasmen]

klarabella wrote...

Nope, the negative comment on AMWT was me.

FYI, you aren't the only one that feels that way about that fic.  I have another person I talk to daily that used to love the fic and now dislikes it for all the reasons you outlined in your LJ post.  

Honestly, I've felt a bit weird because it's such a fandom phenomena and I just have not been able to get into it.  I feel like sometimes I'm the only person out there NOT reading the story.