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[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

ROFL! I had intended something similar in my Cousland origin, after the PC meets Zev. Something to build up to the feelings he had enough to say bugger off to Taliesin for. Okay, that I am thinking like Shadow makes me happy.

Haha Really, I think the trick is trying to think like the characters themselves, then coming up with instances where they can sort of go beyond their comfort zones but have reasons to pretend otherwise.

Tell - Where's your fluff? I wanna read too.

[TanithAeyrs]

@Shadow - check Tell's blog - "Golden Hour"

[Tellervo]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Tell - Where's your fluff? I wanna read too.

These two pieces go together, though they're not much related.

Dark Hours
Golden Hour

I'm told I write Zev a little, ah, different, and there's not a lot of relationship context here, so he may seem a little OOC.  I think you'd probably have to read a couple other shorts I did for this to fully make sense.

[Tasmen]

Tellervo wrote...

I'm told I write Zev a little, ah, different, and there's not a lot of relationship context here, so he may seem a little OOC.  I think you'd probably have to read a couple other shorts I did for this to fully make sense.

I haven't read the two pieces you linked yet, but having read some of your other stuff, I'm a little 'huh'?  I'm very very very very picky about Zevran.  I think a lot of people fail to capture his subtleties.  They either make him sex on wheels or a complete psychopath that feels no emotions.

I do not feel you do that.  You actually made me happy reading your Zevran.  I don't think he's 'different', I think he's pretty much right where he needs to be.

[Tellervo]

Tasmen wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

I'm told I write Zev a little, ah, different, and there's not a lot of relationship context here, so he may seem a little OOC.  I think you'd probably have to read a couple other shorts I did for this to fully make sense.

I haven't read the two pieces you linked yet, but having read some of your other stuff, I'm a little 'huh'?  I'm very very very very picky about Zevran.  I think a lot of people fail to capture his subtleties.  They either make him sex on wheels or a complete psychopath that feels no emotions.

I do not feel you do that.  You actually made me happy reading your Zevran.  I don't think he's 'different', I think he's pretty much right where he needs to be.

I get told my Zev is too emotional or not evasive and flirtatious enough, sometimes.  I think it's just that people are failing to realize most of that emotion is introspective, but... I figured fair warning.  Since everyone takes him a little differently.

[Gilgamesh1138]

I love your Zev too Tell. Most people seem to miss the layers that are Zev. Wait, Zev is an onion? Like and ogre?

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 19 juin 2010 - 04:30 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I think you do him fine (from those two small pieces, anyway ). Introspection is probably the only way you ever get so see/explore Zev's emotions, since he does so damn well hiding them most of the time. The idea of him communicating the depth of his feelings through being physical is something I agree with.



As for people saying he's too emotional etc in your writing...maybe it's a ratio thing? I'd have to read Chains or Nations to comment, I guess. Golden Hour certainly shows you can do him evasive/flirty, and the emotion is hard to see since it's not from his POV.



Anyhoo, nice writing.

[Tellervo]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I think you do him fine (from those two small pieces, anyway ). Introspection is probably the only way you ever get so see/explore Zev's emotions, since he does so damn well hiding them most of the time. The idea of him communicating the depth of his feelings through being physical is something I agree with.

As for people saying he's too emotional etc in your writing...maybe it's a ratio thing? I'd have to read Chains or Nations to comment, I guess. Golden Hour certainly shows you can do him evasive/flirty, and the emotion is hard to see since it's not from his POV.

Anyhoo, nice writing.

Thanks.

I think it's a particular scene in Chains, and the letter from N&A, because Zev comes out and uses the dreaded l-word in the letter.  And it's not a common complaint, just one I've heard.  Also, probably because the last chapter of Chains is guaranteed to cause cavities.  I still can't believe I wrote it.  But it was clearly the climax of the story (if you could call such a thing a climax).

Modifié par Tellervo, 19 juin 2010 - 07:04 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

I love your Zev too Tell. Most people seem to miss the layers that are Zev. Wait, Zev is an onion? Like and ogre?

Zevran: Assassins...are like onions.
PC: They smell?
Zevran: Yes. Exactly. But we smell very, very nice. Here, sniff me.
PC: ... *flustered* You're meant to say 'layers'.
Zevran: *chuckles* I do apologise. Layers.
PC: *sticking determinedly to script* Cake has layers too.
Zevran: Mm. So you would like to taste me as well?
PC: ...

[Gilgamesh1138]

WOOT! And that needed a snort alert Shadow. I almost put really good mead up my nose!

And yes, Zev, I would love to taste you.

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 19 juin 2010 - 04:52 .

[Tasmen]

Tellervo wrote...

I get told my Zev is too emotional or not evasive and flirtatious enough, sometimes.  I think it's just that people are failing to realize most of that emotion is introspective, but... I figured fair warning.  Since everyone takes him a little differently.

Meh...that's what I say to those folks.  Introspection is one of the few ways as a writer you can show what Zev is feeling.  He keeps that trap so shut otherwise.  He might show through physicality, but he isn't going to go around shouting 'i love you' from the rooftops.  It's part of the reason I had him go all Han Solo at the end of 'Duty' when Elishka told him she loved him.  I just didn't seem him actually saying it back in return.

You do him fine. 

[Gilgamesh1138]

It took 70+ chapters for my Zev to tell her he loved her, and that was after softening him with some really hot and steamy bathtub sex. Some may still say that is OOC, but I figure 70+ chapters he had evolved a little.

[TanithAeyrs]

My Zev still hasn't said the L word (I'm not even entirely sure that he will until the end of the story), but I evolved the relationship fairly quickly, having had 4 years of post-Blight friendship to work with.



I think it is in character for an in love Zevran to eventually admit it - he struggles a great deal with his feelings but once he realized it I think he would be honest. I have read a few things where I thought Zev was really OOC but most of the regulars on this thread handle him very well if they use him.

[Danijou]

The above says, "MAN, THANK -GOD- DANI DOESN'T WRITE ZEV," in case you were wondering what "most" of the regulars meant.

[Tellervo]

Well, since those went over so well, *coughcough*, shameless pimping of my other shorts, then:

Songfic Meme Fail or win...?
And no Zev in First Day, but it had been rattling around in my head for a while and had to get out.

None of the shorts require you to have read either of the longer works, so I don't feel bad about throwing them around.

Modifié par Tellervo, 19 juin 2010 - 06:02 .

[LupusYondergirl]

I just wrote Zev for the first time a couple chapters ago. I'm fairly sure he's a bit ooc, but I've been telling myself that it's several years postgame so maybe he evolved a bit. Not sure how accurate that may be, but that's what I've been telling myself.

I had a harder time getting his speech down. I think one of the only characters with a stranger dialect in the game is Morrigan. Tough to do 'speaks like this is a second language' without crossing the line into 'talks like a semi-literate moron.'

[TanithAeyrs]

Danijou wrote...

The above says, "MAN, THANK -GOD- DANI DOESN'T WRITE ZEV," in case you were wondering what "most" of the regulars meant.

Pokes Dani, you would write Zev just fine.  I have a tendancy to try to be very precise when I post and I don't want to include authors I haven't read so I used "most of", to be more precise  - all of the authors I regularly read do a great job with Zev if they use him.  I would love to have time to read everyones FF, but if I did that I wouldn't have time to write myself. 

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

I think one of the only characters with a stranger dialect in the game is Morrigan.

She's been raised by Flemeth her entire life, so why does she talk like she does? 'Tis distinctive, but it makes little sense.

[LupusYondergirl]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

I think one of the only characters with a stranger dialect in the game is Morrigan.

She's been raised by Flemeth her entire life, so why does she talk like she does? 'Tis distinctive, but it makes little sense.

I totally agree.  I dread writing her, though. Every attempt I've made just makes her sound like someone manning the ale tent at the ren fair.

[Gilgamesh1138]

*passes Lupus a turkey leg and a tankard*

[Miri1984]

Hehe. I love writing Morrigan. Must go back to it actually. I've met Claudia Black and she's lovely - nothing at all like her character in DA. But I keep seeing her in her high school musicals whenever I hear her talk (she is a magnificent singer as well).

[Tellervo]

Miri1984 wrote...

Hehe. I love writing Morrigan. Must go back to it actually. I've met Claudia Black and she's lovely - nothing at all like her character in DA. But I keep seeing her in her high school musicals whenever I hear her talk (she is a magnificent singer as well).

I keep trying and failing to find reasons to write Morrigan.  (heart) Morrigan, so much.

[Gilgamesh1138]

I adore her, and I am so jealous! Miri!984, what would it take for me to bribe you to get her autograph if you ever meet her again? LOL! She is so awesome!

[Miri1984]

She's moved to America now I think. I only met her once, when she was in high school. It was freaky weird when I first saw Farscape. My sister went to the same school as her .

[soignee]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Danijou wrote...

The above says, "MAN, THANK -GOD- DANI DOESN'T WRITE ZEV," in case you were wondering what "most" of the regulars meant.

Pokes Dani, you would write Zev just fine.  I have a tendancy to try to be very precise when I post and I don't want to include authors I haven't read so I used "most of", to be more precise  - all of the authors I regularly read do a great job with Zev if they use him.  I would love to have time to read everyones FF, but if I did that I wouldn't have time to write myself. 

I am aware I need to start unpacking Zevran some more. Chapter 21 Missa was back to THIS IS MY GAME FACE and emotions were shoved somewhere, and Zevran was reduced to flirting outrageously. Just because.

Chapter 22 will sort this out, though. A little? Uh.

Also I am forthing the MORRIGAN IS FKING AWESOME conversation, because oh man. She is.

i am dreading the earring thing as Missa is an emotionally stunted idiot, in some cases worse then Zevran. Everyone on Zevthread is mostly YES BUT YOU HAVE TO REFUSE IT FIRST BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW and I'm all, but... Dude, Missa. Just... Oh god, the awkward.

Modifié par soignee, 19 juin 2010 - 10:22 .