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[Miri1984]

I can't wait to see her reaction to the earring. I have no doubt it will be teh awesome. .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

She will piece her belly-button.



Or somewhere else. *Ahem*.



This is Missa.

[soignee]

*arm punch*



aaw yeah.

[jenncgf]

Tellervo wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

Tellervo wrote...

I'm told I write Zev a little, ah, different, and there's not a lot of relationship context here, so he may seem a little OOC.  I think you'd probably have to read a couple other shorts I did for this to fully make sense.

I haven't read the two pieces you linked yet, but having read some of your other stuff, I'm a little 'huh'?  I'm very very very very picky about Zevran.  I think a lot of people fail to capture his subtleties.  They either make him sex on wheels or a complete psychopath that feels no emotions.

I do not feel you do that.  You actually made me happy reading your Zevran.  I don't think he's 'different', I think he's pretty much right where he needs to be.

I get told my Zev is too emotional or not evasive and flirtatious enough, sometimes.  I think it's just that people are failing to realize most of that emotion is introspective, but... I figured fair warning.  Since everyone takes him a little differently.

I think you write Zev really well, actually.  The thing that I picked up from him is that he does flirt and all that stuff, but if you speak to him one-on-one and you're close with him (100 rating friendship or love) he will let down the barriers and be serious.  Not all the time, of course, but if it's important to him he will go to that place.  And he's not at all stupid, so he would have pretty complex internal dialogue. 

And anyone who is willing to storm the gates of the black city itself for you will go to great lengths to preserve his relationship with you, whether be friendship or love, because he's had so little of that in his life he'd value it above everything else.

I think you write him just right. 

Modifié par jenncgf, 19 juin 2010 - 12:29 .

[Sialater]

Zevran is tough to write. I had to live on the Zevran thread for a good 200 pages to get others' perceptions of him to write him as more than a lech, because I'd yet to anything but let Moira get him into bed, and then I had this dream that was pestering me and he was in it...Not like that you pervs . It was the bare bones of The Rescue.



He's not a lech. The lechery's a front. One thing I am afraid I didn't show very well is Zevran's constant pulling Moira closer then shoving her away because he can't handle the closeness.

[soignee]

See he is a lech, in the "immoral and licentious" flirty way rather then the HEY SWEETCHEEKS NICE ASS way.

He's free with his sexuality to a degree where sex to him is like eating, breathing and holding a conversation. A very consensual, very equal conversation with a partner who is just as chatty. *coughs*

His immorality and ethics are usually swept under the carpet in most fanfic I've come across. Even if you seperate the crow brainwashing and his duplicity, there still is a man there whose morals are loose and in a nice, dark shade of grey.

He's not ruthless, obviously; his asides about slaughtering the Dalish and the Mages show this. But he has a very large streak of self preservation and is very, very much into the survival of the fittest mentality.

Modifié par soignee, 19 juin 2010 - 02:35 .

[Maria13]

soignee wrote...

See he is a lech, in the "immoral and licentious" flirty way rather then the HEY SWEETCHEEKS NICE ASS way.

He's free with his sexuality to a degree where sex to him is like eating, breathing and holding a conversation. A very consensual, very equal conversation with a partner who is just as chatty. *coughs*

His immorality and ethics are usually swept under the carpet in most fanfic I've come across. Even if you seperate the crow brainwashing and his duplicity, there still is a man there whose morals are loose and in a nice, dark shade of grey.

He's not ruthless, obviously; his asides about slaughtering the Dalish and the Mages show this. But he has a very large streak of self preservation and is very, very much into the survival of the fittest mentality.

This last sentence particularly, I think some of his exchanges with Morrigan are quite telling.  They say it takes one to know one and Zev detects that she is up to something devious straightaway...  He is the only character who knows how to get one over old Morrie on a regular basis by, for example, challenging her pretension of uniqueness... "Do you have any sisters?" and softening her with outrageous flattery (the three hand bet dialogue...).

[Sialater]

OK, I misspoke, he's not just a lech.



But yes, he is the only party member to be suspicious of both Morrigan and Leliana's motives toward the Warden.

[Gilgamesh1138]

I think a lot of his cold survival of the fittest is a front too. Otherwise, why stay and fight at the tower, or the gates against his own instincts for self preservation, for a Warden, he didn't even get to bed (at least in my play through)? I tend to see Zev a very complex and like a mirror ball, he likes to deflect a lot so you can't see his true self. I also thought it telling when he is speaking to Leli, and he agrees the hunt itself is thrilling but the prey deserves a quick death. That is not necessarily a Crow kind of attitude.

[Tasmen]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

I think a lot of his cold survival of the fittest is a front too. Otherwise, why stay and fight at the tower, or the gates against his own instincts for self preservation, for a Warden, he didn't even get to bed (at least in my play through)? I tend to see Zev a very complex and like a mirror ball, he likes to deflect a lot so you can't see his true self. I also thought it telling when he is speaking to Leli, and he agrees the hunt itself is thrilling but the prey deserves a quick death. That is not necessarily a Crow kind of attitude.

Yep to all of those things.  He is way more complex (as is Loghain for that matter) than a lot of people playing the game give him credit for.  They see their first layer of his personality and cast judgment.  I think that is a real shame.  He is one of (if not the most) complex characters in DA.  You can tell a lot went into his characterization and it makes me sad when I see people fail to recognize just all that the writers did.

I could go and on and on and on.  I am such a Zev fangirl it is redunkulous. 

[Sialater]

Tasmen wrote...

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

I think a lot of his cold survival of the fittest is a front too. Otherwise, why stay and fight at the tower, or the gates against his own instincts for self preservation, for a Warden, he didn't even get to bed (at least in my play through)? I tend to see Zev a very complex and like a mirror ball, he likes to deflect a lot so you can't see his true self. I also thought it telling when he is speaking to Leli, and he agrees the hunt itself is thrilling but the prey deserves a quick death. That is not necessarily a Crow kind of attitude.

Yep to all of those things.  He is way more complex (as is Loghain for that matter) than a lot of people playing the game give him credit for.  They see their first layer of his personality and cast judgment.  I think that is a real shame.  He is one of (if not the most) complex characters in DA.  You can tell a lot went into his characterization and it makes me sad when I see people fail to recognize just all that the writers did.

I could go and on and on and on.  I am such a Zev fangirl it is redunkulous. 

I adore both him and Alistair.  Please don't make me choose.

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL! Sia, why do you think in my epic I get to have both? I can't choose either.



And Tas I agree with you about him and and Loghain. Zev is really a complex character and it makes me sad panda to see him as nothing more than killing letch.

[LupusYondergirl]

Tasmen wrote...
Yep to all of those things.  He is way more complex (as is Loghain for that matter) than a lot of people playing the game give him credit for.  They see their first layer of his personality and cast judgment.  I think that is a real shame.  He is one of (if not the most) complex characters in DA.  You can tell a lot went into his characterization and it makes me sad when I see people fail to recognize just all that the writers did.

I could go and on and on and on.  I am such a Zev fangirl it is redunkulous. 

I'm in total agreement there.  It's unfortunate that you don't see many aspects of his personality unless you romance him, but I think the way he does open up and evolve as a character makes his romance a lot deeper than the Alistair one.  Don't get me wrong, I love Alistair... but it's far more straightforward and simple.  Zevran's is very complex in comparison.

And I'm a complete Loghain fangirl after reading the books.  I want to write a Loghain story eventually.  Just need to decide who to pair him with.

[soignee]

I'm trying to articulate that's he's not mr. cuddlebunny. His conversation about Rinna is telling in some regards as he liked part of the lifestyle; the money, power, pretty things and the prestige that came with it.

Note, I'm not defending the Crow regime; what they did was pretty unforgiveable, and spiralled him into his "death by cop" decision, obviously.

Okay, yes. The Warden gives him a friendship/relationship and shows him another side of his life, but I don't see it as redemption story, but a second chance. There's no penance for what he did. He feels no remorse for his "crimes," and will disaprove if you judge him on it. (Obviously Rinna he did, but I'm talking about the crow marks he bid on to kill.)

He delights in the thrill of the hunt; you can't seperate that. I think I am in small, small minority that likes the Awakenings canon of him returning to murder some Crows in Antiva. I like that for once the Warden has to dance to his tune, and not the other way around.

The tone of the sequel for DDW is going to be Missa/Zev murdering beetches in Antiva City and playing political chess with the crows and the merchant princes/princesses; it's going to be like dwarven politics meets Land's Meet but with better outfits...

Modifié par soignee, 19 juin 2010 - 06:36 .

[Tasmen]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

And I'm a complete Loghain fangirl after reading the books.  I want to write a Loghain story eventually.  Just need to decide who to pair him with.

I'm a little biased here but my OTP is Loghain/Cauthrien.  That wrist grab at Ostagar meant something, dammit!!! 

[Tasmen]

soignee wrote...
Okay, yes. The Warden gives him a friendship/relationship and shows him another side of his life, but I don't see it as redemption story, but a second chance. There's no penance for what he did. He feels no remorse for his "crimes," and will disaprove if you judge him on it..

I agree and disagree.  I do think he has remorse but for only one crime, Rinna.  It's a single regret that he holds and part of why he wanted to do the whole suicide by Warden thing.  I do agree that it is not about redemption, though, and much more about Zevran being given a second chance outside of the Crows. 

[soignee]

Tasmen wrote...

soignee wrote...
Okay, yes. The Warden gives him a friendship/relationship and shows him another side of his life, but I don't see it as redemption story, but a second chance. There's no penance for what he did. He feels no remorse for his "crimes," and will disaprove if you judge him on it..

I agree and disagree.  I do think he has remorse but for only one crime, Rinna.  It's a single regret that he holds and part of why he wanted to do the whole suicide by Warden thing.  I do agree that it is not about redemption, though, and much more about Zevran being given a second chance outside of the Crows. 

Exactly, I just edited that. I was talking about his marks and not Rinna. Rinna is the reason for his Death By Warden.

[LupusYondergirl]

Tasmen wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

And I'm a complete Loghain fangirl after reading the books.  I want to write a Loghain story eventually.  Just need to decide who to pair him with.

I'm a little biased here but my OTP is Loghain/Cauthrien.  That wrist grab at Ostagar meant something, dammit!!! 

I hinted at it in the last chapter I wrote.   I love that pairing. (and I know I wouldn't be able to do it as well as you do)

I wanted to do a Loghain/Warden story, though, since I've already got a decent idea of most of it.  I need a random origin to cram in.  Just not Tabris, since I really don't think I could find a way to justify her forgiving him for almost selling her father into slavery.  Or Amell, since I'm doing Amell/Anders now and it would feel... wrong.  (I know that sounds insane). 

[Tasmen]

Alright, odd question. I came across a new published story on ffnet about Nathaniel/Cousland. This story is eerily alike mine in certain aspects (like the same words used for certain things). This person had me fav'd ten days ago and now doesn't. How do y'all handle cases of possible copying? Part of me feels flattered that someone thought of enough of something I wrote to want to use it, but at the same time, I'm a little miffed.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Oh I would be miffed. Is there a way to address it via FF.net?



I can't say I haven't had it happen, or at least that I seen. I am so sorry Tas. I don't have any good suggestions. Confront the person?

[soignee]

Tasmen wrote...

Alright, odd question. I came across a new published story on ffnet about Nathaniel/Cousland. This story is eerily alike mine in certain aspects (like the same words used for certain things). This person had me fav'd ten days ago and now doesn't. How do y'all handle cases of possible copying? Part of me feels flattered that someone thought of enough of something I wrote to want to use it, but at the same time, I'm a little miffed.

I flipped my **** when someone named their fic "dead cousland walking."

LOLZ.

I avoided the drama though. But apparently my constant ****ing to my friends meant that they did not, and took it upon themselve to mention it to the author in question.

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL soignee!



Oh and I can totally see Missa getting a piercing for her earring...well in a place Zev would approve of. Go Missa!

[Maria13]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

ROFL soignee!

Oh and I can totally see Missa getting a piercing for her earring...well in a place Zev would approve of. Go Missa!

OUCH!!?

[Tasmen]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

Oh I would be miffed. Is there a way to address it via FF.net?

I can't say I haven't had it happen, or at least that I seen. I am so sorry Tas. I don't have any good suggestions. Confront the person?

Well it's similar and not.  But there were enough likenesses to make me question things.  Plus the fav/unfav thing made it all seem all the more suspicious ( go go saving all alerts in my email).  If it wasn't the the fav/unfav I would have just assumed maybe the author wasn't aware what she was doing it.

I went the passive aggressive route and just put the story on alert so that she knows I've seen it.  Maybe that will be enough.  

[Maria13]

soignee wrote...

Tasmen wrote...

soignee wrote...
Okay, yes. The Warden gives him a friendship/relationship and shows him another side of his life, but I don't see it as redemption story, but a second chance. There's no penance for what he did. He feels no remorse for his "crimes," and will disaprove if you judge him on it..

I agree and disagree.  I do think he has remorse but for only one crime, Rinna.  It's a single regret that he holds and part of why he wanted to do the whole suicide by Warden thing.  I do agree that it is not about redemption, though, and much more about Zevran being given a second chance outside of the Crows. 

Exactly, I just edited that. I was talking about his marks and not Rinna. Rinna is the reason for his Death By Warden.

... but, and this has always been a question for me with Zev, what crimes did he commit, he talks the talk but did he walk the walk? From what I recall the mage with the pretty legs died by accident, his participation in the coup ended farcically etc.