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[tmp7704]

Miri1984 wrote...

I think the whole "grey wardens don't interfere in political affairs" went out the window during the blight - at least in Ferelden!

I can't remember if it's from the game itself or somewhere else, but there's something to the effect of two schools of thought amongst the wardens -- some try to follow this "no interfering" rule while others don't really care about it.

[Miri1984]

tmp7704 wrote...

Miri1984 wrote...

I think the whole "grey wardens don't interfere in political affairs" went out the window during the blight - at least in Ferelden!

I can't remember if it's from the game itself or somewhere else, but there's something to the effect of two schools of thought amongst the wardens -- some try to follow this "no interfering" rule while others don't really care about it.

I think the biggest problem with Grey Wardens and politics is that for all intents and purposes you have an independent standing army permanently stationed in your country - so politics are always going to be interested in Grey Wardens, even if they're not interested in it.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Heheh, true Miri. Sometimes the Abyss stares back into you. I hate politics.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

re: Politics...what we know?

• Grey Wardens are financially supported by the kingdoms they are stationed in (there's something like a tithe system)
• Grey Wardens tend to avoid using the Right of Conscription in non-Blight times, so the order won't get on the bad side of People In Power.
• The first priority of a Grey Warden is darkspawn. They may get involved with politics if it furthers goals against Blight/darkspawn, but otherwise they are/should be? neutral.
• Individual Grey Wardens may have political agendas from their personal backgrounds (eg. Sophia)
• Governments may seek to influence Wardens ot want to give them political power (Anderfels)
• When becoming a Grey Warden, an individual loses their family name, title, birthrights? (Sophia, Loghain)
• Grey Wardens have 'normal' people to handle administration tasks (Awakening. Which makes sense. why have a GW handling treasury/supplies?)

Personally I think Grey Wardens are supposed to steer clear of politics to avoid being distracted from the Real Enemy. They are chosen because they can fight. But they are 'allowed' to involve themselves in state affairs if it directly assists the struggle against darkspawn/blight, NOT for personal reasons. A Grey Warden angering the wrong person could endanger the entire order within a nation, as their numbers are rarely significant (except in the Anderfels, where the GWs number over a thousand and are apparently already looked to for leadership because their king is weak).
 

[Gilgamesh1138]

True, but in the Anderfels, the GW are more interested in power than what they should be doing. Killing darkspawn. Riordan makes this comment. So yeah, they shouldn't because power corrupts. But do they always...not some much.

[Miri1984]

Ok, going through complete writers block. I'm hoping it's just from tiredness rather than anything else. I know exactly what I WANT to write but whenever I sit in front of the keyboard I get overwhelmed with ennui.



It's killing me because I have two other stories in my head that I want to write but I REFUSE to let this one go first. The story is THERE it just won't come out. Bleh.



Just venting I guess. Hoping it will make me do some more.

[Danijou]

Hey, Shadow - can you do one of those inspired summations of Grey Warden politics for Orlais, so I can see if the one I had in mind matches up with yours?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

True, but in the Anderfels, the GW are more interested in power than what they should be doing. Killing darkspawn. Riordan makes this comment. So yeah, they shouldn't because power corrupts. But do they always...not some much.

(I just replayed this scene so I could comment )

Riordan says that some of the Anders Wardens do seem to like being looked to to rule, you're right, but it doesn't seem true for all of them. Considering the Anderfels have the largest group of Wardens in all of Thedas, I'm guessing it's to be expected that some of them have 'ambition'. They still kill darkspawn, but there are a lot of them and the population trust the Wardens' strength more than their king's.

I don't know if it's necessarily corrupting...Riordan doesn't say they're abusing their influence, but he certainly doesn't approve of the idea of Wardens wanting to rule.

Danijou wrote...

Hey, Shadow - can you do one of those
inspired summations of Grey Warden politics for Orlais, so I can see if
the one I had in mind matches up with yours?

Sadly I don't have much on Orlais. I haven't read the Dragon Age books and I know there's a lot about Orlais involved there. Maybe someone else can chip in with any info?

Aside from the stuff above (like the tithes) I do have this:

• According to Riordan, 200 Wardens are massed to aid Ferelden during the Blight. Some nations only have a few dozen Wardens, some have hundreds, so Orlais has at leastthat many by the end of the Blight (and before Awakening). I doubt they'd have sent all their forces into Ferelden.
• The Orlesian Grey Wardens would have abandoned Ferelden if it fell to civil war, preferring to conserve their strength for when the archdemon and the darkspawn moved on.

That's it from me, I'm afraid. :/

[Maria13]

Being a bit naughty here because I posted this question yesterday pm and only one person answered but I've got a bit of a bee in my bonnet about this and I'm wondering if more of you could assist...

Okay, here's a speculative question for your collective creative brains...
What in The Stolen Throne did Maric promise/give Flemeth? Some say he's Morrie's dad but the dates don't pan out. Not to intervene in the Wilds and leave it as Flemeth's domain? Re-introduce the wardens to Ferelden to protect against the Blight (apparently Flemeth may be vulnerable to the Blight too), A blood sacrifice, Katriel (she does seem to predict Kat's death)?

Modifié par Maria13, 21 juin 2010 - 06:08 .

[MireliA]

I still think the Morrigan story is fairly plausible as she always struck me as much older than either Alistair or the warden but I do think Flemeth is more likely to extract a promise or a sacrifice from Maric. If its Katriel, he's forgotten it when she turns up. The reintroduction of the wardens would make more sense to me.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Shadow, I got more then Riordan disapproved of their meddling in politics. I got a real, there is something seriously wrong in the Anderfels and with those Wardens there. Maybe I was reading more creepy into it then there was. But Riordan seemed really disturbed by the Grey there.

[Maria13]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

Shadow, I got more then Riordan disapproved of their meddling in politics. I got a real, there is something seriously wrong in the Anderfels and with those Wardens there. Maybe I was reading more creepy into it then there was. But Riordan seemed really disturbed by the Grey there.

He did, and Riordan is not one to be creeped easily...  Something is rotten in the Anderfels, methinks.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Oh good, it wasn't just me then. And Maria, I have been trying to wrap m head around that one and for the life of me I can't think of what it could be. Flemeth told him a Blight was coming, and he wouldn't be alive to see it. Maybe having his son have a kid with her daughter later (DR, but not telling Maric that is what it is or what it does, only that allowing his son to have a child with her daughter would stop the Blight?). And Maric at that point is young, doesn't know about Alistair later? Dunno? I mucking around...

[LupusYondergirl]

I always wondered if it was something about The Calling- telling him to believe and follow the Wardens when they asked for help then.

I wonder if it'll be revealed in a later book, or another game...

[Gilgamesh1138]

Oh that makes sense.

[Maria13]

Bring the wardens back to Ferelden and create a potential pool to perform the DR...

[Gilgamesh1138]

That could also be it. Bring back the Wardens. I say that's it. Which is why he lets them back in.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

Shadow, I got more then Riordan disapproved of their meddling in politics. I got a real, there is something seriously wrong in the Anderfels and with those Wardens there. Maybe I was reading more creepy into it then there was. But Riordan seemed really disturbed by the Grey there.

Oh yes, definitely. He said they're cold and don't care about the rest of the world like they should. I got that. But I just don't think these comments had anything to do with politics, is all (he says they still fight darkspawn 'Like you and I'). I could be wrong, but that's how I took it.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 21 juin 2010 - 09:14 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

That could also be it. Bring back the Wardens. I say that's it. Which is why he lets them back in.

Makes sense.  Not much of what they did in The Calling would really show them in the best light, with that as his only basis I couldn't really imaging Maric bringing them back. 

[Maria13]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

That could also be it. Bring back the Wardens. I say that's it. Which is why he lets them back in.

Makes sense.  Not much of what they did in The Calling would really show them in the best light, with that as his only basis I couldn't really imaging Maric bringing them back. 

Except he got laid... No, definitely not, absolutely no, just no:P...

[LupusYondergirl]

What a kick in the pants that must have been... brings the Wardens back just to see Fiona again only to find out she's reassigned to Weisshaupt and he's stuck with the crazy kid that climbed a dragon and steals everything that isn't nailed down.



(although I suspect getting laid wasn't a rare occasion for him...)

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL!

[Maria13]

LupusYondergirl wrote...

What a kick in the pants that must have been... brings the Wardens back just to see Fiona again only to find out she's reassigned to Weisshaupt and he's stuck with the crazy kid that climbed a dragon and steals everything that isn't nailed down.

(although I suspect getting laid wasn't a rare occasion for him...)

I think the Theirins are pretty much all like that, I was just reading about Calenhad and Lady Shayna... Never have one when you can have two or more...

[Miri1984]

Maria13 wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

What a kick in the pants that must have been... brings the Wardens back just to see Fiona again only to find out she's reassigned to Weisshaupt and he's stuck with the crazy kid that climbed a dragon and steals everything that isn't nailed down.

(although I suspect getting laid wasn't a rare occasion for him...)

I think the Theirins are pretty much all like that, I was just reading about Calenhad and Lady Shayna... Never have one when you can have two or more...

Maybe that's why Eamon sent Alistair to the Chantry. "If we repress the boy enough maybe he'll keep it in his pants!"

[Gilgamesh1138]

I never took Maric as a lecher. Sorry but really? He seemed loyal to the lady he was with from the books.