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[MireliA]

Gilgamesh1138 wrote...

I never took Maric as a lecher. Sorry but really? He seemed loyal to the lady he was with from the books.

Loyal-ish. He was betrothed to Rowan and it didnt take much to end up with Katriel. 

[Gilgamesh1138]

Yeah but he wasn't in love with her like she was him, hardly his fault. He thought they both felt the same way about the betrothal thing. They were friends from childhood, he didn't know she had changed her mind and fallen for him. Naive maybe but not lecherous.

[LupusYondergirl]

I don't know... I think Alistair may not be Fiona's kid. If you recruit Loghain and ask him why Maric didn't acknowledge Alistair his comments seem to indicate he knew exactly when the baby had been born, and he talks about the consequences to Rowan if Maric had said something. It comes across as something he knew of when it happened, not years after the fact when details could be fudged.

Rowan had been dead for several years when The Calling took place, I suspect Loghain never knew about that specific baby.

And while we all know unprotected sex is a very bad thing, I suspect if he was that fertile to get every woman he slept with out of wedlock pregnant he would have had more than one legitimate child, too.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

All this is just making me wonder how many baby Zevrans are toddling around Antiva...

[Gilgamesh1138]

I still say the servant woman is a story they all came up with (probably Loghain himself) to keep the nobles from going ape ****. If you are going to concoct a lie, it does no good not to stick with it no matter what. Sorry, it was always one of my pet peeves in game. Really, Maric, who loved Rowan in the end would just have an affair on her and that Eamon and Loghain, and Teagan would be complicit. And a servant? That might cause a stir, but how many of the nobles bastards worked for Sargent Kylon? So not unheard of, nobles bastards, including with kings. But a child with an elf and a mage? Oh that would have caused all kinds of problems aside from being a bastard. Better to let everyone thing Maric dallied with a human, even one in the lower classes, then a mage and an elf. So a story is made up and everyone sticks to it. I dunno that story line in game really sticks in my craw something fierce.

Of course a friend pointed this out to me:

I always got the impression that they were
protecting her reputation and Cailan's inheritance.  It wasn't that Rowan was alive when he had his love with the woman (FIona or Servant which ever you think it was)  But that she was loved as queen and the wanted to protect her memory.  Which makes me feel better about the codex, sorta.

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 22 juin 2010 - 12:52 .

[ladyames]

I always got the impression that they were protecting Rowan's reputation and Cailan's inheritance

not so much Rowan herself. They wouldn't need to since she was loved as a queen by the people and the nobles. They had an heir in Cailan and they didn't need another claimant coming along and

throwing a wrench in the works, not unless/until something happened to him and no other heir was around.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Well, that makes me feel mildly better. I guess I get peeved because I love Mr.Gaider's books and I am fiercely protective of his writings. LOL!

[LupusYondergirl]

OK, I can see that. It makes more sense than everyone just hoping Alistair never finds out the year Rowan died, or that he's secretly several years younger than he's been led to believe. That was always what bugged me. Lying I can get, but how are you going to expect him to never learn basic math... or his own age! I mean, I get people who guess my age wrong constantly, but I'm 30, that's a lot harder to pin down. When you're talking about small children they grow so fast there's a huge difference in just a couple years.



That would put him at something like 19 or 20 in-game, which seems spot on for someone who was training to be a templar but hadn't taken vows, and his overall level of innocence.

[Corker]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

All this is just making me wonder how many baby Zevrans are toddling around Antiva...

I would guess "fewer than you'd think," between some of the partners getting assassinated shortly after the assignation and some of the partners not being the childbearing sort.  But still "likely more than zero."

[Miri1984]

I definitely think Alistair was MEANT to be Fiona's child, but Gaider has said the time line is a bit wonky and he's also said he's never going to confirm or deny it .



Of course, everyone who KNEW (apart from Fiona) is dead now - I don't even think Eamon knew that Alistair was the son of Maric and Fiona, even though he was the one who took care of him.

[Gilgamesh1138]

Yeah I don't thing Eamon knew either. I made him Fiona's in mine. I don't see a wonkiness with the time line. It worked for me. ROFL! So thanks for leaving it open BioWare!

Modifié par Gilgamesh1138, 22 juin 2010 - 01:26 .

[odiedragon]

I'm trying to work out the whole Alistair is Fiona's son thing in my fic too, and make it make sense with what's in game. Dunno how successful I'll be, but that's my goal.



The whole thing was a retcon, plain and simple.

[SurelyForth]

Gaider has confirmed a timeline that puts Alistair's age at ~20-21 years when DAO starts, which makes Alistair being Fiona's son more likely.



I'm also on board with Maric not being a man-****, just a bit of a letdown in the fathering department.

[Gilgamesh1138]

retcon? Sorry if that is a stupid question, brain not working well, if it ever does... some may say it doesn't anyway. ROFL.

[odiedragon]

It means "the writers changed things mid-stream and changed history"

http://en.wikipedia....tive_continuity

Same reason why the Dark Ritual happens in the script on "the eve of battle", but when they changed it to happening in Redcliffe, that no longer made sense. But the lines were already recorded, so they kept it.

Modifié par odiedragon, 22 juin 2010 - 02:37 .

[Gilgamesh1138]

Ah thanks odie! Sorry for the dumb question. Learned something new though. LOL!

[Sialater]

I left it ambiguous. They both acknowledge the possibility of it. I think it's interesting for the bastard child to not know who his mother is, but know about his royal father. It's usually the other way around.

[Gilgamesh1138]

True Sia! I just hate having Goldana (Ferelden for gold digging b****, see the motivationals thread) being his sister. I was more than happy to make that go away. ROFL!

[odiedragon]

It's kinda hard to make it go away, since (unfortunatly) that whole encounter is pretty pivotal to Alistair's character development.



Basically what I'm doing is going with the "apple doesn't fall far from the tree" theory. Goldanna's mom is a gold-digging **** as well*, and claimed that Maric knocked her up on a visit to Redcliffe when it was really one of his entorage/guards. She proclaimed this to anyone who would listen... and few did. Goldanna believed her, of course (I'm saying she was 15 when the kid was born). She really DID die along with the baby, as Goldanna was told. Then, several months later, Eamon offers to take Alistair and raise him, claiming that he was the "dead" baby who was sent to Maric to see whether or not he would be claimed. He didn't, so he was sent back to Redcliffe.



Honestly, I'm not sure if Eamon knows the whole truth or not. I guess I kinda figured he did, but it's very possible Maric lied to him. I implied that Eamon knows but is asked not to tell Alistair the truth back in Ch 3 of my fic, so I guess I'm going with that.



*I even named her Ariana, which supposedly means "silver" in Welsh.

[Gilgamesh1138]

LOL, I said I love her not being his sister for real, not the event that happened, sorry was not clear in my intent. Writing at work between work stuff, makes me type fast. My apologies. I just liked having it revealed after that event with her the she is not his real sister after all. It gave me a moment with Ali to make a joke and show his relief. Hehehe. I like your idea about Goldana's mum.

[Maria13]

Miri1984 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

LupusYondergirl wrote...

What a kick in the pants that must have been... brings the Wardens back just to see Fiona again only to find out she's reassigned to Weisshaupt and he's stuck with the crazy kid that climbed a dragon and steals everything that isn't nailed down.

(although I suspect getting laid wasn't a rare occasion for him...)

I think the Theirins are pretty much all like that, I was just reading about Calenhad and Lady Shayna... Never have one when you can have two or more...

Maybe that's why Eamon sent Alistair to the Chantry. "If we repress the boy enough maybe he'll keep it in his pants!"

Amazing how that one NEVER seems to work, isn't it?

[Gilgamesh1138]

ROFL! Too true Maria, only seems to make it worse. Ask my husband and Catholic school.

[soignee]

Trying so very hard to write smut. I used to contribute to k!meme all the time, but the past four months sort of gave up. I liked it when I was more of an anon, if you see what I mean. If I put Missa/Zev in there you all know who it'll be by. I guess I can change the names, but it feels... wrong. PERFORMANCE ANXIETY, I HAVE IT.

Maybe I should continue writing chapter 22 instead on mindless smut? Uhm.

[jenncgf]

Soignee,



You could write something with smut, smut, kink and smut.



That's not got MUCH smut in it.

[odiedragon]

I DON'T LIKE SMUT!



(Not true, of course, but it had to be said)