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[DeathCultArm]

yeah, **** ugly kelly.

[Palpatine77]

Pretty weak arguement for their decision, in my opinion. The Developer said "(The critics) generally don't believe that a game can be called 'mature' without explicit sex and/or nudity". That's nonsense. Certain fans aren't complaining because they're not getting to see a splt-second glimpse of a butt or side-boob. It's because the lack of an intimate love scene this time around affects the love-interest story, which came to a more natural resolution in ME1 with a tender intimate love scene, which were handled tastfully. Slamming the fans as immature doesn't help, or make us feel any better. Just say you didn't feel it was necessary, or didn't want to repeat yourself, or whatever, but don't go calling fans immature for simply wanting in ME2 what was already presented well in the first game.

[MerrickShep]

Honestly I'm already bored of ME2 don't even want to play anymore.



I went back to playing ACII and DA:O, I got Indigo Prophecy today, way cooler than ME IMO can't wait for Heavy Rain.



ME3 better be something special and never done before. Because I felt like I was playing GoW except not as good when I was playing ME2.

[DeathCultArm]

Yeah ME2 has little replay value, I don't even want to restart.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Maria Caliban wrote...

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Modifié par Dr. Peter Venkman, 06 février 2010 - 09:41 .

[roku]

while i dont care if theres nudity or sideboob or whatever, i do care the the love scenes look pretty dumb with them grinding all over each other fully clothed. i mean really? has anyone dry humped since junior high school?



again im not saying there should be nudity...but if they dont want to have it...then dont cop out and put a stupid looking love scene in at all. it just looks awkward and pulls people out of the game.



either have the scene or dont....just dont put in a half a**ed one.

[HandOfJudg3m3nt]

why does everyone keep saying crap like "I don't care, BUT"? i for one DO CARE, i care ALOT. i worked damn hard for that side boob only to be disappointed by the lack there of. FOR SHAME BIOWARE!

[hawat333]

"People will complain about damn near anything on the Internet".



Basically tells everything.

For the people who really want a topless or sex scene, go and grab a women. Or download an adult movie, I don't care.

This is a video game. Including or excluding boobs, asses and blowjobs is not the point of the game.



Hit me.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

There's plenty of side boob. Jack is wearing nothing but belts for the majority of the game.

[Dracotamer]

I think they handled it very tastefully in ME1 but think ME2 was fine as well.

[asaiasai]

I have posts littered on this forum and in DAO as well concerning this topic. I am in no way suggesting the the game as released has any nudity, this keeps the ESRP, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and absentee parents happy. I am an adult gamer and the holy grail for me is to find a quality game with quality adult content. If nothing else i would like to see the same content that is avaliable in any "R" rated movie in the ME series. Tasteful or crass i could care less, because it is by no means the reason to play just an added bonus. The first thing that pops into my head is Amanda Peet in The Whole Nine Yards, R rated movie with full frontal, Richard Gere in Breathless full frontal to keep the chicks happy. The Witcher was a game that the version sold in America was censored, I had to buy an import to get boobies on the LI cards and full frontal in the Dryads and Vampires. I paid extra to buy a European version in order to get around the censorship. What impact this had on game play was minimal, other than providing a more immersive experience, and i get to thumb my nose at conventional morality which is worth any price to me.

So we have ME2 with a shower in the captains quarters, how difficult would it have been to have a small DLC for any price, where the showers are functional. Where we can have a little exposed skin during a romance scene. Imaginations or not that is a cop out especially considering that i have always stated my willingness to pay extra for this content, up to the original price of the video game, so in this case this would cost me 100 bucks to play ME2 with adult oriented content. I have your money on the fridge held by a magnet and i will pull it down so fast it will leave a burn mark who do i send it to and where do i DL it.

Running scared at the thought of an audience on CNN or FOX loosing thier minds because of the content of a video game is chicken ****. Word to the wise thier audiences have already lost thier minds so no matter what you do they are already a lost cause. And on top of it the more they yell the more publicity you get for the title. Hell that would be part of my marketing plan, leak a copy to FOX, CNN, Hillary Clinton, Tipper Gore and anyone else on your list,let them sell your game for you.
I think you would be suprised at the number of folks who would have passed the title up normally, will actually purchase it to see what the big deal is, and when they see it is nothing more than "R" rated content, this will undermine the credibility of the aforementioned orginazations and individuals. GTA San Andreas was stalling in sales until the Hot Coffee mod was leaked, who says lightning can not strike twice because actually it does.

Any way just a shout out from the peanut gallery.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 06 février 2010 - 10:44 .

[Stuffy38]

Pah. They are quoting Stanley Woo, whose claim to fame is shutting down interesting forum threads. Just waiting for him to 'end of the line' this one.

[alekvie1337]

I demand all the sex-scenes in mass effect 3 are like Garrus' scene.

[aeetos21]

Side boob or no side boob, butt crack or no butt crack, xeno-fetish or no xeno-fetish the "sex scenes" were less intamate in ME2 than they were in ME1. Maybe that was on purpose, maybe it wasn't, but any "mature" person can see that. Props for not taking Fox New's sh*t but otherwise? Those scenes could've been handled better

*Edit: Ash and Kaidan both said they loved you when you reunited with them on Horizon. How intamate/romantic/committed were the ME2 romances in comparison? Answer that quesiton honestly and you'll see the problem.

Modifié par aeetos21, 06 février 2010 - 11:12 .

[Alexandus]

Palpatine77 wrote...

Pretty weak arguement for their decision, in my opinion. The Developer said "(The critics) generally don't believe that a game can be called 'mature' without explicit sex and/or nudity". That's nonsense. Certain fans aren't complaining because they're not getting to see a splt-second glimpse of a butt or side-boob. It's because the lack of an intimate love scene this time around affects the love-interest story, which came to a more natural resolution in ME1 with a tender intimate love scene, which were handled tastfully. Slamming the fans as immature doesn't help, or make us feel any better. Just say you didn't feel it was necessary, or didn't want to repeat yourself, or whatever, but don't go calling fans immature for simply wanting in ME2 what was already presented well in the first game.

Well said. I personally would have been a lot more critical of ME2's miranda LI in general had not the LI in question been modeled so well

[mornegroth]

He's right, Mass Effect 2 turned out to be a real Mature game which handled all of these situations pretty damn well!

[WilliamShatner]

The ESRB are idiots. They have no problem with female nudity in game if they are displayed as nothing but sex objects, ie strippers. But put a breast in a love scene and it's AO!

[Jigero]

My problem with the sex scenes wasn't that there was no nudity, it just felt like they didn't mean anything, They where jut there to be there, Unlike the first game where they felt like a pivotal moment in your characters development. Sorry but they just felt half assed, and to add insult to injury, Bioware throws in the consolation prize at the end of the game. Cuddling. Good job Bioware, it's obvious you didn't wanna deal with press this time.


On top of that, I really think it's sending a bad message to all the bible thumoers out there, that if they complian about mature content enough, the company will tone it down or cut it cause they don't wanna deal with the pressure. It just goes to show you Bioware cares more about sales then proving a point, and it's really an insult to the rest of industry who are constantly fighting for our artistic freedom.

Modifié par Jigero, 06 février 2010 - 11:35 .

[fogofeternity]

aeetos21 wrote...

Side boob or no side boob, butt crack or no butt crack, xeno-fetish or no xeno-fetish the "sex scenes" were less intamate in ME2 than they were in ME1. Maybe that was on purpose, maybe it wasn't, but any "mature" person can see that. Props for not taking Fox New's sh*t but otherwise? Those scenes could've been handled better

*Edit: Ash and Kaidan both said they loved you when you reunited with them on Horizon. How intamate/romantic/committed were the ME2 romances in comparison? Answer that quesiton honestly and you'll see the problem.

Yeah, I think that's the more reasonable point.

I think the argument that Bioware caved because they didn't show sideboob is kinda pitiful actually.

In many ways their approach to LI in ME2 is in fact far more distasteful than in ME1, far more a case of objectifying the LI. The end results of LI are far more focused on the idea of achieving sex with you LI as a "win". In ME1 sex seemed to be simply a natural result of an increasingly intimate relationship.

If anything, Bioware caved to the kind of immaturity of certain fans who, seeing that ME1 included  scenes where "OMG, you get to have sex with a party member!", demanded the same in ME2. In ME1 the final romance scenes were the result of natural progression, in ME2 it seems clear that Bioware knew they "needed" to include a sex scene from the start, rather than it occuring as they developed their story. Which means that the LI dialogues were far more about getting your LI into the sack than actually developing a romantic relationship. Hell, Shep is kinda lecherous in ME2, at times it's a bit disconcerting. His talks with Kelly can border on sexual harassment if you look at it from a certain perspective.

Modifié par fogofeternity, 06 février 2010 - 11:47 .

[FearTheLiving]

I really didn't care that there wasn't any side boob I played ME for the story and the characters and I got that and more.

[bjdbwea]

fogofeternity wrote...

In many ways their approach to LI in ME2 is in fact far more distasteful than in ME1, far more a case of objectifying the LI. The end results of LI are far more focused on the idea of achieving sex with you LI as a "win". In ME1 sex seemed to be simply a natural result of an increasingly intimate relationship.

If anything, Bioware caved to the kind of immaturity of certain fans who, seeing that ME1 included  scenes where "OMG, you get to have sex with a party member!", demanded the same in ME2. In ME1 the final romance scenes were the result of natural progression, in ME2 it seems clear that Bioware knew they "needed" to include a sex scene from the start, rather than it occuring as they developed their story. Which means that the LI dialogues were far more about getting your LI into the sack than actually developing a romantic relationship.

Exactly my opinion as well. In ME 1, it felt natural and was part of the story (if you wanted). Just remember the scene on board the Normandy after the council betrays you. Great stuff. In ME 2, it's been tacked on just because people demand it to be there (and rightly so, but it needs to be done well).

[XOGHunter246]

who cares about the nudity anyway if they want nudity watch porn or get laid or something only kids would make such a big deal out it IMO. I play it for story not just so i can see side boobs.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 06 février 2010 - 12:31 .

[Caduceus1981]

XOGHunter246 wrote...

who cares about the nudity anyway if they want nudity watch porn or get laid or something only kids would make such a big deal out it IMO. I play it for story not just so i can see side boobs.

The same thing could be said about having relationships in a game: "Just go out and find a real girl". You're missing the point. If it's possible to have a relationship in a game, you should be able to have sex as well. It's a part of the whole role playing experience.

Personally I haven't seen any of the romantic scenes yet, because I stayed faithful to Liara in my first run as there weren't any interesting females for my FemShep.

Modifié par Caduceus1981, 06 février 2010 - 12:44 .

[XOGHunter246]

Not the sex thats the issue it people wanting to see all the gory details it no big deal as long as story is ok. I was saying why do some people make such a big deal out of minor thing like a side shot of boobs. it give me impression thats all these people complaining care about.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 06 février 2010 - 01:22 .

[Forwen]

Well said Mr. Woo.