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[kusvuari]

Awesome back story.



They really have to bring the Mako back.



So I can run over Jack.

[beserker7]

Why I hate Jack is she doesn't fit well in the game in story or look.



STORY



It doesn't make sense that a cold blooded killer who was tortured by Cerberus would even be on a list to recruit by Cerberus. Nobody would join a group who tortured and ruined your life. Once she got off the prison ship she would leave or kill the crew, period. She has no motive to stay and Cerberus or Shepard would have no motive to want just a straight killer who wouldn't follow orders on a misson. Finally, any Asari commado is tougher, IMO, and she plays weak for all the "most powerful human biotic" talk(should have given her Dominate power).



LOOK



I hate tatoo's, okay, hate them, but I think I am tolerant, to a point. A cool design on her back with maybe a few more, cool, but she's totally covered in junk art. I think, I could even have handled the junk tatoos if she had some hair. Giving her all prison junk tat's with the bald hair was too friggin much. If she returns, she better have had them removed or grow some hair.



The ONLY plus the character has is that she drops the F bomb alot, but anyone could take up that mantle for ME3.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...]

you have to do the same thing with miranda

At least it's executed properly. And you don't have to be a paragon or renegade to make her not hate you. She stops being suspicious after the first recruitment mission.

Jack dosent hate you if your a renagade, you just become a confirmation of her way of life

Jacks story Better excuted cause you end up changing her, affecting her, also if your a renagade you can still get her to open up to you and even get the paragon scene in stead of the renagade scene

[77boy84]

DeathCultArm wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

No middle ground = a reason to hate someone

Now you're just reaching, dude.

How? I don't have to justify myself. I gave the NUMEROUS reason as to why I hate her. Having to be a paragon and romance her is more than reason enough to hate her. Even the developers want you to cater to her.

You're saying that it's okay to hate her because you can't do both the paragon and renegade options at the same time.

It's like saying ME2's ending sucked because you can't destroy and keep the collector base, or that Miranda sucks because you can't make her loyal and disloyal to cerberus.

And you don't need to be a paragon, you just need to go the paragon route with her. I went renegade on my first play through, and did the paragon options with her.

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jack dosent hate you if your a renagade, you just become a confirmation of her way of life

Jacks story Better excuted cause you end up changing her, affecting her, also if your a renagade you can still get her to open up to you and even get the paragon scene in stead of the renagade scene

Same.with.Miranda.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jack dosent hate you if your a renagade, you just become a confirmation of her way of life

Jacks story Better excuted cause you end up changing her, affecting her, also if your a renagade you can still get her to open up to you and even get the paragon scene in stead of the renagade scene

Same.with.Miranda.

JAck actualy has a build up to it and dosent  happen out of no ware in the last 5 minnutes

[DeathCultArm]

77boy84 wrote...

You're saying that it's okay to hate her because you can't do both the paragon and renegade options at the same time.

It's like saying ME2's ending sucked because you can't destroy and keep the collector base, or that Miranda sucks because you can't make her loyal and disloyal to cerberus.

And you don't need to be a paragon, you just need to go the paragon route with her. I went renegade on my first play through, and did the paragon options with her.

That is a valid reason to say the end mission was bad. Doing the paragon instance is the same as being one. Why can't you romance her and embrace the torture and whatnot that happened to her? it would've made for a better experience.

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jack dosent hate you if your a renagade, you just become a confirmation of her way of life

Jacks story Better excuted cause you end up changing her, affecting her, also if your a renagade you can still get her to open up to you and even get the paragon scene in stead of the renagade scene

Same.with.Miranda.

JAck actualy has a build up to it and dosent  happen out of no ware in the last 5 minnutes

Miranda's entire character was a build up. It was more than babing her, and telling her what she wanted to hear.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Jack dosent hate you if your a renagade, you just become a confirmation of her way of life

Jacks story Better excuted cause you end up changing her, affecting her, also if your a renagade you can still get her to open up to you and even get the paragon scene in stead of the renagade scene

Same.with.Miranda.

JAck actualy has a build up to it and dosent  happen out of no ware in the last 5 minnutes

Miranda's entire character was a build up. It was more than babing her, and telling her what she wanted to hear.

JAcks build up is ether  confirmign her  ideals , or provign thats shes wrong

again you proove you  didnt pay atention

as for miranda

she never  questions cerberus till the verry end?

at the very least thats BAD buildup

[serjwolf]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Reasons: bald, small breasts, gothic lipstick, basically naked, crappy tattoos, cliche, annoying, cold, randomly swears, fought with Miranda, etc.

Chidish, brash, non-chalent, overkill archtype, too easy to hate, the list goes on...

NOT YOU AGAIN NO!!!!!!!!!  do you remeber me DCA?  from the original forums

i didnt think this day would come

[77boy84]

DeathCultArm wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

You're saying that it's okay to hate her because you can't do both the paragon and renegade options at the same time.

It's like saying ME2's ending sucked because you can't destroy and keep the collector base, or that Miranda sucks because you can't make her loyal and disloyal to cerberus.

And you don't need to be a paragon, you just need to go the paragon route with her. I went renegade on my first play through, and did the paragon options with her.

That is a valid reason to say the end mission was bad. Doing the paragon instance is the same as being one. Why can't you romance her and embrace the torture and whatnot that happened to her? it would've made for a better experience.

No, doing the paragon instance isn't the same as being a paragon. If my shepard pushes a guy out of a window he's not suddenly a paragon if he stops a kid from joining a group of mercanaries.

And it's not a valid reason to the end mission was bad. How do you not get that? You can't have two opposite endings at the same time. Jack does have a renegade ending to her romance subplot, but you can't have that and the paragon ending, because both endings are opposite. Just like you can't have the station and destroy it at the same time.

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

JAcks build up is ether  confirmign her  ideals , or provign thats shes wrong

again you proove you  didnt pay atention

as for miranda

she never  questions cerberus till the verry end?

at the very least thats BAD buildup

Miranda's build up is seeing her for who she is, coming to terms with being "perfect",and gaining her trust. And why question Cerberus at all? That only depends on you allignment.

[beserker7]

This will be the biggest hate thread on the site.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

JAcks build up is ether  confirmign her  ideals , or provign thats shes wrong

again you proove you  didnt pay atention

as for miranda

she never  questions cerberus till the verry end?

at the very least thats BAD buildup

Miranda's build up is seeing her for who she is, coming to terms with being "perfect",and gaining her trust. And why question Cerberus at all? That only depends on you allignment.

none of that Happens thogh!

[DeathCultArm]

77boy84 wrote...

No, doing the paragon instance isn't the same as being a paragon. If my shepard pushes a guy out of a window he's not suddenly a paragon if he stops a kid from joining a group of mercanaries.

And it's not a valid reason to the end mission was bad. How do you not get that? You can't have two opposite endings at the same time. Jack does have a renegade ending to her romance subplot, but you can't have that and the paragon ending, because both endings are opposite. Just like you can't have the station and destroy it at the same time.

I think there is a misunderstandment amidst

[GnB Epro]

as much as I wanted to ignore the negativity following up to ME2's release about her, and me hoping that I would eventually like or even sympathize with her...I was let down.



I hope Bioware hears the overwhelming dislike of this character...because she is just terrible. She makes a better enemy than she does an ally. I have gone out of my way to try and get her killed in combat so she wont be in the next game for me.

[MerchantGOL]

GnB Epro wrote...

as much as I wanted to ignore the negativity following up to ME2's release about her, and me hoping that I would eventually like or even sympathize with her...I was let down.

I hope Bioware hears the overwhelming dislike of this character...because she is just terrible. She makes a better enemy than she does an ally. I have gone out of my way to try and get her killed in combat so she wont be in the next game for me.

if you cant sympathize with jack then you have no soul

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

JAcks build up is ether  confirmign her  ideals , or provign thats shes wrong

again you proove you  didnt pay atention

as for miranda

she never  questions cerberus till the verry end?

at the very least thats BAD buildup

Miranda's build up is seeing her for who she is, coming to terms with being "perfect",and gaining her trust. And why question Cerberus at all? That only depends on you allignment.

none of that Happens thogh!

Can you type?...at alll?

How does none of that happen? Doing her loyalty mission and asking about her, you get to see more about than usut being a tool.  During the romance right before the suicide mission her being enhanced no longer matter, and you have more than gained her trust. Admit it, you just want to hate Miranda.

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

as much as I wanted to ignore the negativity following up to ME2's release about her, and me hoping that I would eventually like or even sympathize with her...I was let down.

I hope Bioware hears the overwhelming dislike of this character...because she is just terrible. She makes a better enemy than she does an ally. I have gone out of my way to try and get her killed in combat so she wont be in the next game for me.

if you cant sympathize with jack then you have no soul

She didn't exacly make it easy...I never one felt for her, b/c of how she acted.

[77boy84]

GnB Epro wrote...

as much as I wanted to ignore the negativity following up to ME2's release about her, and me hoping that I would eventually like or even sympathize with her...I was let down.

I hope Bioware hears the overwhelming dislike of this character...because she is just terrible. She makes a better enemy than she does an ally. I have gone out of my way to try and get her killed in combat so she wont be in the next game for me.

I hope Bioware ignores the fans, honestly.
Most fan hate comes from either completely ignoring her, or completely misunderstanding what goes on with her.

I don't want one of my favorite characters cut out of the game just because a bunch of people where too lazy to talk to her.

But this is the same developer that made the most boring ME1 character return as a LI just because the fans wouldn't shut up about her, so I guess I'm just gonna have to expect Jack to be gone in ME3.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

JAcks build up is ether  confirmign her  ideals , or provign thats shes wrong

again you proove you  didnt pay atention

as for miranda

she never  questions cerberus till the verry end?

at the very least thats BAD buildup

Miranda's build up is seeing her for who she is, coming to terms with being "perfect",and gaining her trust. And why question Cerberus at all? That only depends on you allignment.

none of that Happens thogh!

Can you type?...at alll?

How does none of that happen? Doing her loyalty mission and asking about her, you get to see more about than usut being a tool.  During the romance right before the suicide mission her being enhanced no longer matter, and you have more than gained her trust. Admit it, you just want to hate Miranda.

i just did he rloyality misson to day and her beign enhanced never comes up other then for expostion

all it is is her worryign over her sister

i never romanced her

and weve already been over why i hate her its perfectly valid

[DeathCultArm]

You're hopeless^

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

GnB Epro wrote...

as much as I wanted to ignore the negativity following up to ME2's release about her, and me hoping that I would eventually like or even sympathize with her...I was let down.

I hope Bioware hears the overwhelming dislike of this character...because she is just terrible. She makes a better enemy than she does an ally. I have gone out of my way to try and get her killed in combat so she wont be in the next game for me.

if you cant sympathize with jack then you have no soul

She didn't exacly make it easy...I never one felt for her, b/c of how she acted.

I hope you never meet soem oen whos been thru trauma then the lack of empathy you show is sad

"i know you were tortured and raped but please dont be angrey about it"

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 07 février 2010 - 01:16 .

[kusvuari]

[quote]Kavva wrote...

@OP If you knew her story you wouldnt be so quick to judge, try to take her to different planets and see what shes got to say saved my butt from the seeker swarms.[/quote]]

I know her story and this is what i got from it 'OH BAWW I HAD IT WORSE WOE IS ME! YOU DON'T KNOW CAUSE YOU WEREN'T THERE! I HAD THE WORST OF IT!!!'

[/quote]

I love it when people hate a character, and make it so obvious they never talked to the character at all.

[/quote]

I talked to the character, that is the impression it left on me too. . She had her moments, but not a fan.