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[1Parmenides]

Hate her or like her, she's got a lot of flavor in the scriptwriting.

[HAGA NAGA]

Jack Rocks

[MerchantGOL]

For a hate thread iam happy to see theirs allot of support for her

[ReubenLiew]

No she's not.

She's the most powerful HUMAN biotic, there is a huge difference.

[MerchantGOL]

ReubenLiew wrote...

No she's not.
She's the most powerful HUMAN biotic, there is a huge difference.

i dont see any other bitotcs equeling her feats

and they certainly hype her up as the strongest

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Let me get this stright my arguement is weak, yet I have strong valid points, but you have a better argument and Miranda being bad charatcer b/c she'sa "perfect little white girl" and wears heels?...LOL!

You dont have any strong valid points

and my  argument about her beign a  bad charcter is based on the fact shes is inconsitently written

youve yet to giv e a good counter argument to the fact she blindly follows cerberus the hole game and then  pulls the 180 out of no where at the end

the fact shes a bond girl and wears ****ING HIGH HEELS in a fight is just an additonal gripe

How does she blindly follow Cerberus? She left her family, and joined Cerberus, and became loyal to TIM. WTF are you talking about?! How can she just randomly stop? She wasn kissing his ass, she was ond of the few to actually see him face to face...You're making this too easy.

I don't know why I even try.

Jack is horril written, anyone could guess her chracter and they'd be right.

[ReubenLiew]

Samara. And probably the most powerful Asari biotics are easily her equal or better, since they have natural affinity for it.

It doesn't make her any less weak, but she is not the strongest Biotic ever, just the best humanity has ever spawned.

[Jackal904]

MerchantGOL wrote...

For a hate thread iam happy to see theirs allot of support for her

Haha I know right. The OP failed big time.

Modifié par Jackal904, 07 février 2010 - 02:34 .

[Bentenjamin]

**** Jack!!!

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Let me get this stright my arguement is weak, yet I have strong valid points, but you have a better argument and Miranda being bad charatcer b/c she'sa "perfect little white girl" and wears heels?...LOL!

You dont have any strong valid points

and my  argument about her beign a  bad charcter is based on the fact shes is inconsitently written

youve yet to giv e a good counter argument to the fact she blindly follows cerberus the hole game and then  pulls the 180 out of no where at the end

the fact shes a bond girl and wears ****ING HIGH HEELS in a fight is just an additonal gripe

How does she blindly follow Cerberus? She left her family, and joined Cerberus, and became loyal to TIM. WTF are you talking about?! How can she just randomly stop? She wasn kissing his ass, she was ond of the few to actually see him face to face...You're making this too easy.

I don't know why I even try.

Jack is horril written, anyone could guess her chracter and they'd be right.

Miranda ****ign made Excuses for tim when he betrayed you on the collector ship "oh no he wouldnt doo that"

IT is blind loyalty,

and weve already been over how jack is more then jsut whats on the surface, so no they wouldnt be right

[Niorcs]

I love butch chicks

[GenericPlayer2]

Jack is not the most powerful biotic - every situation she is put in people are trying to not kill her. Then she lies about it or shrugs it off. Her power is only in her head. Her lack of discipline leads her to regularly flaunt her power on the Normandy - Miranda could be powerful too but disciplined.



The YMIR cutscene on Purgotory does not count because they had orders to not kill Jack. Samarra on the other hand, has plenty of people trying to kill her. The Asari detective acknowledges that Samarra will be able to kill her if she tried to take her into custody - and has no illusions about it.



Jack on the other hand...lets see - She survives Pragia because her captors want to keep her alive. She escapes Pragia because other children started a riot. She was successfully captured against her will (unlike Samara) - so she is not all powerful. She escapes her cryo cell because you freed her. Sure she manages to kill some people and mechs afterwards, but Purgatory personnel have orders to not kill her. So there is nothing that proves to me that she is powerful. The turian warship story, well that is her story - but I wouldn't be surprised if they had orders to not kill her either. So all powerful? Sorry not convinced.

[MerchantGOL]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Jack is not the most powerful biotic - every situation she is put in people are trying to not kill her. Then she lies about it or shrugs it off. Her power is only in her head. Her lack of discipline leads her to regularly flaunt her power on the Normandy - Miranda could be powerful too but disciplined.

The YMIR cutscene on Purgotory does not count because they had orders to not kill Jack. Samarra on the other hand, has plenty of people trying to kill her. The Asari detective acknowledges that Samarra will be able to kill her if she tried to take her into custody - and has no illusions about it.

Jack on the other hand...lets see - She survives Pragia because her captors want to keep her alive. She escapes Pragia because other children started a riot. She was successfully captured against her will (unlike Samara) - so she is not all powerful. She escapes her cryo cell because you freed her. Sure she manages to kill some people and mechs afterwards, but Purgatory personnel have orders to not kill her. So there is nothing that proves to me that she is powerful. The turian warship story, well that is her story - but I wouldn't be surprised if they had orders to not kill her either. So all powerful? Sorry not convinced.

are you seriouse

first the Kids at the facility were Tryign to kill her

Second the yimir were Also tryign to kill her

the order to not kill her didnt come till long after that

Third if she wasnt powerfull THEN SHE WOULDNT BE ONTHE ****ING TEAM

[GenericPlayer2]

Oh and there are also other stories she tells where she is assaulted by 7 guys, killed only two and had to hunt the rest down one by one. That doesn't sound like someone who can beat all those YMIR mechs unless the mechs were not using lethal force.

People can say she is there because she is all powerful, but then they say that her behavior is excused because of the abuse she suffered. But if she is as powerful as the cut scenes claim, how could she have been abused so badly, or even captured?

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 07 février 2010 - 03:02 .

[MerchantGOL]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Oh and there are also other stories she tells where she is assaulted by 7 guys, killed only two and had to hunt the rest down one by one. That doesn't sound like someone who can beat all those YMIR mechs unless the mechs were not using lethal force.

People can say she is there because she is all powerful, but then they say that her behavior is excused because of the abuse she suffered. But if she is as powerful as the cut scenes claim, how could she have been abused so badly, or even captured?

What?

you dont know the details or waht exactly happend

they could have druged her  or been  bitoics them selves

or hit her in the had hard enough where she couldnt consintrate

or  faught her untill they nocked  her out

or restrained her

to many variables and not enough facts for this argument ot be valid

srry please try again

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 07 février 2010 - 03:14 .

[Gambit One]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Gambit One wrote...

 Hate or love Jack, everyone has to admit its a great character.

If by great you mean poorly exectued, than sure...

Explain. 

[ComTrav]

Cut scenes are always a mess.



The Mage origin cut scene in DAO is the worst offender, with Jowan being able to get the drop on First Enchanter Irving, the head Templar, Duncan, and then escape through the massive door to the mage tower with his special, Cut Scene enhanced powers.

[MerchantGOL]

ComTrav wrote...

Cut scenes are always a mess.

The Mage origin cut scene in DAO is the worst offender, with Jowan being able to get the drop on First Enchanter Irving, the head Templar, Duncan, and then escape through the massive door to the mage tower with his special, Cut Scene enhanced powers.

fair enough but hes claiming  JAck isnt  powerfull

while ignoring facts

[Occams Razor 17]

It seems to me that ripping apart a space station with her mind demonstrates power whether or not the guards or mechs were trying to kill her. Yes, it was cut scene power, but last I checked, cut scenes in the game are about as canon as it gets.



Also, when she's insisting that she had it worse than the other kids in the lab, it came across to me as something she wasn't convinced of, but something she needed to tell herself due to not being able to handle the fact that kids died so she could live. Which seems pretty reasonable to me, especially since none of her defenses work very well against that, so all she had was denial.

[implodinggoat]

I didn't find her character as loathsome as I thought I would from her pre launch videos; but I still don't like her character.  I mean I pity her; but she's still a psycho **** and while I don't mind the baldness or the ink her wardrobe is just so ridiculous and juvenille that I can't take her seriously.

I don't hate her character; but she's definitely my least favorite squad member in ME2.  Although her Warp Ammo bonus power does kick serious ass.

[DeathCultArm]

Occams Razor 17 wrote...

It seems to me that ripping apart a space station with her mind demonstrates power whether or not the guards or mechs were trying to kill her. Yes, it was cut scene power, but last I checked, cut scenes in the game are about as canon as it gets.

Also, when she's insisting that she had it worse than the other kids in the lab, it came across to me as something she wasn't convinced of, but something she needed to tell herself due to not being able to handle the fact that kids died so she could live. Which seems pretty reasonable to me, especially since none of her defenses work very well against that, so all she had was denial.

But she never seemed that powerful in game, not once. And I can kind of agree with trying make herself believe she had it worse. She doesn't change the fact that she really handled everyhing in the worst way possile.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Occams Razor 17 wrote...

It seems to me that ripping apart a space station with her mind demonstrates power whether or not the guards or mechs were trying to kill her. Yes, it was cut scene power, but last I checked, cut scenes in the game are about as canon as it gets.

Also, when she's insisting that she had it worse than the other kids in the lab, it came across to me as something she wasn't convinced of, but something she needed to tell herself due to not being able to handle the fact that kids died so she could live. Which seems pretty reasonable to me, especially since none of her defenses work very well against that, so all she had was denial.

But she never seemed that powerful in game, not once. And I can kind of agree with trying make herself believe she had it worse. She doesn't change the fact that she really handled everyhing in the worst way possile.

Full Warp Ammo  + Max shock wave and she can drop almost any  oen in the room

what build were you using?

[aauxraydar]

Occams Razor 17 wrote...

It seems to me that ripping apart a space station with her mind demonstrates power whether or not the guards or mechs were trying to kill her. Yes, it was cut scene power, but last I checked, cut scenes in the game are about as canon as it gets.

Also, when she's insisting that she had it worse than the other kids in the lab, it came across to me as something she wasn't convinced of, but something she needed to tell herself due to not being able to handle the fact that kids died so she could live. Which seems pretty reasonable to me, especially since none of her defenses work very well against that, so all she had was denial.

And so is disabling biotic powers by removing the amp and enemies being able to shoot weapons, hit people and using weapons capable of killing or disabling human sized traget, none of which ever happens to jack.

Having lurked more on this thread, I have this to say, I think bioware wanted to explored darkier and more mature themes with Jack's story line. Which for a sizable percentage of people just failed hard. Like Dragon age's laughable gore.

Modifié par aauxraydar, 07 février 2010 - 03:41 .

[DeathCultArm]

Maybe they wanted to but they ultmately failed with Jack.

[Occams Razor 17]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Occams Razor 17 wrote...

It seems to me that ripping apart a space station with her mind demonstrates power whether or not the guards or mechs were trying to kill her. Yes, it was cut scene power, but last I checked, cut scenes in the game are about as canon as it gets.

Also, when she's insisting that she had it worse than the other kids in the lab, it came across to me as something she wasn't convinced of, but something she needed to tell herself due to not being able to handle the fact that kids died so she could live. Which seems pretty reasonable to me, especially since none of her defenses work very well against that, so all she had was denial.

But she never seemed that powerful in game, not once. And I can kind of agree with trying make herself believe she had it worse. She doesn't change the fact that she really handled everyhing in the worst way possile.

Well it would be a bit overpowered and mess up the gameplay if you could run around in game with Jack and Samara just laying waste to every enemy in sight like they are supposed to be able to do.  

And there's no doubt that Jack handles a lot of things very poorly.  But it's not that hard to see why she handles things the way she does with her background, even if we disagree with her choices being the best course of action.