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[Gerudan]

It's very well explained why she is how she is and you can change her.



For me, Jack is the best and deepest new NPC in the game.

[Archereon]

I hate Jack. Her personality does a thought out 180 (well maybe a 120), indicating that she's still unstable, she's ugly (too many tattoos, not enough hair), and she curses too much.

[Archereon]

I hate Jack. Her personality does a thought out 180 (well maybe a 120), indicating that she's still unstable, she's ugly (too many tattoos, not enough hair), and she curses too much.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Human is having problems and dealing with them, all Jack did was ***** and expect to to treat her like a saint and cater to her like she was special.

Where do you get that from? If anything she seems to wish you just left her the hell alone, the way she questions why you keep showing up. She makes one request to be taken to the Cerberus base but again, that's no different from other characters making request you help them with their errand.

You are the commander you kind of have to get to know your crew. Why is she the only one so uber difficult to talk to? Everytime you ask a questions she tries to bite your head off. And why did she need the Cererus files? No one else asked for anything...She was a child.

Zaeed wanted to nuke a factory, Grunt wanted a Purpose, every one else cared about the mission

Why dose she bite youre head off?

CAUSE YOUR WORKIGN FORT HE PEOPEL THAT TORTURED HER AND TURNED HER INTO A MONSTER

wouldnt you be suspisous if not ****ing Viloent twords the people that locked you in a cell ant tortured you?

its not beign a child, its beign real

[izmirtheastarach]

This thread must make Casey Hudson happy. He's always saying anytime people hate on one of the characters, it means they've constructed a good one.

[GenericPlayer2]

DeathCultArm wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Finally, a Jack hate thread! My reasons are pretty much up there in the OP. Her addition to my squad is nothing but a headache. Oh and the only reason I do her loyalty quest is to cover her up.

Now that that is out of the way, does anyone know of a way to get ONLY Jack killed in the final mission? I have succeeded in killing her before, but lost another 2 people with her. I reloaded and adjusted my choices, lost only 1 person but it was not her.

If you have a playthrough where only Jack died, post the details here!

She didn't did on my file, unfortunately. I actually tried to like her, and respect her as a charatcer...didn't work. Next time I will not get her loyalty, and send her theorugh the vents. That's how I killed Tali w/o killing anyone else.

Way ahead of you buddy! Unfortunately you cannot sent Jack through the tubes, she is not an option for that. I didn't have her loyalty, did not upgrade her, and she was still very difficult to kill.

I sent Jacob through the tubes to die. Then I had Jack do the biotic barrier - I thought this would kill her, but it killed Garrus instead. I left her behind at the door while I moved on, and that is where she died. The best part was that she threatened to kill me while fighting at the door, and after I was done I was treated to a screen with her body lying there and left behind.

So I reloaded and I had Samarra do the barrier instead - that worked and it saved Garrus, only this time Jack survived! Epic fail!

[77boy84]

DeathCultArm wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

I went deep than that. Her childish way, not being able to get over her past is another. Everyone on the Normandy had their own problems, yet she had to be continally babies to get any reaction ftom.

Have we played the same game? Literally half of ME2 is Shepard taking care of problems of all other team members because they're unable to get over their past on their own. You can't even progress with dialogue for them once they fall into that particular groove.

If that's "childish", your whole team is bunch of children to hate on. Except it's not actually childish, it's human. Childish would be to make threads on the intrawebs how one hates a fictional character because she has small breasts.

Human is having problems and dealing with them, all Jack did was ***** and expect to to treat her like a saint and cater to her like she was special. But whatever.. Every other sqaudmate, even grunt at least carries their own weight and doesn't act like they were such a victim. Jack just felt to sorry for herself, and was oviously jealous of Miranda and it was annoying.

Did you even try talking to Jack at all?
Because that never happened.

Like at all.

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Human is having problems and dealing with them, all Jack did was ***** and expect to to treat her like a saint and cater to her like she was special.

Where do you get that from? If anything she seems to wish you just left her the hell alone, the way she questions why you keep showing up. She makes one request to be taken to the Cerberus base but again, that's no different from other characters making request you help them with their errand.

You are the commander you kind of have to get to know your crew. Why is she the only one so uber difficult to talk to? Everytime you ask a questions she tries to bite your head off. And why did she need the Cererus files? No one else asked for anything...She was a child.

Zaeed wanted to nuke a factory, Grunt wanted a Purpose, every one else cared about the mission

Why dose she bite youre head off?

CAUSE YOUR WORKIGN FORT HE PEOPEL THAT TORTURED HER AND TURNED HER INTO A MONSTER

wouldnt you be suspisous if not ****ing Viloent twords the people that locked you in a cell ant tortured you?

its not beign a child, its beign real

Shepherd saves her life. She shouldn've known right there and then, especially if you gave her the files, and did her loyalty mission. But I guess that's not enough. She was apart of the mission, ok Cerberus tortured, she knew Shepherd wasn't really apart of Cerberus. At lest Zaeed and Grunt wasn't being emo about everyhing.

[GenericPlayer2]

Am I the only wondering why TIM would suggest her? Nothing about her suggests she is a team player, can follow orders, will not take the first opportunity to shoot you in the back. Her biotic abilities are not all that, and with Samarra in the picture you can hardly call her abilities unique.



I understand the need for her archtype, but it is waaaaay overdone! And no option to decline!

[DeathCultArm]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Way ahead of you buddy! Unfortunately you cannot sent Jack through the tubes, she is not an option for that. I didn't have her loyalty, did not upgrade her, and she was still very difficult to kill.

I sent Jacob through the tubes to die. Then I had Jack do the biotic barrier - I thought this would kill her, but it killed Garrus instead. I left her behind at the door while I moved on, and that is where she died. The best part was that she threatened to kill me while fighting at the door, and after I was done I was treated to a screen with her body lying there and left behind.

So I reloaded and I had Samarra do the barrier instead - that worked and it saved Garrus, only this time Jack survived! Epic fail!

Looks like you're stuck with her...too bad...lol. And yes, with Samara you should''ve had the option of leaving Jack behind...there was no need to have her.

Modifié par DeathCultArm, 06 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[Schneidend]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

This thread must make Casey Hudson happy. He's always saying anytime people hate on one of the characters, it means they've constructed a good one.

That's not entirely true. Casey said that any time there is both a lot of love and a lot of hate for a character, they've succeeded in writing a compelling character. I find his theory to be pretty accurate. If Jack wasn't a compelling character, there wouldn't be enough there to like or dislike her.

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Human is having problems and dealing with them, all Jack did was ***** and expect to to treat her like a saint and cater to her like she was special.

Where do you get that from? If anything she seems to wish you just left her the hell alone, the way she questions why you keep showing up. She makes one request to be taken to the Cerberus base but again, that's no different from other characters making request you help them with their errand.

You are the commander you kind of have to get to know your crew. Why is she the only one so uber difficult to talk to? Everytime you ask a questions she tries to bite your head off. And why did she need the Cererus files? No one else asked for anything...She was a child.

Zaeed wanted to nuke a factory, Grunt wanted a Purpose, every one else cared about the mission

Why dose she bite youre head off?

CAUSE YOUR WORKIGN FORT HE PEOPEL THAT TORTURED HER AND TURNED HER INTO A MONSTER

wouldnt you be suspisous if not ****ing Viloent twords the people that locked you in a cell ant tortured you?

its not beign a child, its beign real

Shepherd saves her life. She shouldn've known right there and then, especially if you gave her the files, and did her loyalty mission. But I guess that's not enough. She was apart of the mission, ok Cerberus tortured, she knew Shepherd wasn't really apart of Cerberus. At lest Zaeed and Grunt wasn't being emo about everyhing.

Shepard saves her life so he/she can  use her

which is why jack belives that Shepard really dosent care

after you do her loyalty misson jack opens up and  isnt so hard to talk too


Also their is a diffrenc e between EMO and ANGREY

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 06 février 2010 - 09:32 .

[DeathCultArm]

Is there somewho who loves the character jack...seriously...?

[sickblaze]

Not a fan of Jack. My take on her as soon as I saw the reveal trailer was, a compilation of various Angelina Jolie movie roles,
who's only purpose in the game would be to indulge some creepy sexual fantasy
(that is in fact the role of most female characters in video games
these days).

I did very much enjoy the trip to Purgatory to recruit her. Awesome mission, but I would have preferred a strong male character in her place. Perhaps a former militant/extremist who was doing time for unspeakable acts. A dangerous person that no one would ally with; except Cerberus.

But I hold no grudge to the people at BioWare for including her, because the game gave me all the proper tools to effectively loathe her.

1. I was able to leave her in a basement (the engineering room) where it was dark and lonely and she couldn't interract with the rest of my crew.
2. By completing her loyalty mission I could finally make her wear a shirt (I literally said, "Put a shirt on!" to my TV when I changed her outfit).
3. I wasn't forced to use her in any of the endgame conflicts (I used Samara to repel the seeker swarms). The only major part she played in MY Mass Effect, was being the only crewmember to die on the suicide mission.

Perfect first time playthrough as far as I'm concerned!

[Twitchmonkey]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

This thread must make Casey Hudson happy. He's always saying anytime people hate on one of the characters, it means they've constructed a good one.

That's very true. While I would say that Jack is one of the weaker characters in ME2, she still wouldn't generate such an opposition if she didn't have an impact.

[DeathCultArm]

[quote]MerchantGOL wrote...

Shepherd saves her life. She shouldn've known right there and then, especially if you gave her the files, and did her loyalty mission. But I guess that's not enough. She was apart of the mission, ok Cerberus tortured, she knew Shepherd wasn't really apart of Cerberus. At lest Zaeed and Grunt wasn't being emo about everyhing.[/quote]

Shepard saves her life so he/she can  use her

which is why jack belives that Shepard really dosent care

after you do her loyalty misson jack opens up and  isnt so hard to talk too

[/quote]

Yeah I guess after saving her life, giving her the files to the organizations you worked for, and doing her mission she should decide to you know....act civil. I did all that, and still just told me to stop pissing around, or something...

[GenericPlayer2]

Schneidend wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

This thread must make Casey Hudson happy. He's always saying anytime people hate on one of the characters, it means they've constructed a good one.

That's not entirely true. Casey said that any time there is both a lot of love and a lot of hate for a character, they've succeeded in writing a compelling character. I find his theory to be pretty accurate. If Jack wasn't a compelling character, there wouldn't be enough there to like or dislike her.

Plus getting her killed in the final mission is very tough, basically I have to throw away 2 people just to get rid of her. This has far more to do with game design than character writing.

I disagree entirely. What I hate most about Jack is that you are forced to recruit her. If she was stored on the Normandy in a Cryo tank and Shepard was given a choice, people would not hate her nearly as much.

Modifié par GenericPlayer2, 06 février 2010 - 09:38 .

[77boy84]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Is there somewho who loves the character jack...seriously...?

I don't love her (because who can love a video game character, seriously), but I do think she was one of the better characters in the game.

But then again, I actually talked to her, and didn't judge her based off of the video.

[DeathCultArm]

Yes, she should've been optionable. She wasn't vital to...anything.

[MerchantGOL]

[quote]DeathCultArm wrote...

[quote]MerchantGOL wrote...

Shepherd saves her life. She shouldn've known right there and then, especially if you gave her the files, and did her loyalty mission. But I guess that's not enough. She was apart of the mission, ok Cerberus tortured, she knew Shepherd wasn't really apart of Cerberus. At lest Zaeed and Grunt wasn't being emo about everyhing.[/quote]

Shepard saves her life so he/she can  use her

which is why jack belives that Shepard really dosent care

after you do her loyalty misson jack opens up and  isnt so hard to talk too

[/quote]

Yeah I guess after saving her life, giving her the files to the organizations you worked for, and doing her mission she should decide to you know....act civil. I did all that, and still just told me to stop pissing around, or something...
[/quote]

Soem people just arent "Civil People"espcialy those who grow up in hell

after you help her tourch the base thogh she is "nicer"

But you are completly ingorign the fact that after every thign tha thappend to her it would be unrealistic for her to be "nice" and  trust you easily

[Destino83]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Killing Wrex for one...Her name being blacklisted added a chip on her shoulder, added some depth. Whatever, if you like interesting character it's on you.

OP is a Wrex hater (or doesn't care for him) everyone abandon thread!

[MerchantGOL]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Yes, she should've been optionable. She wasn't vital to...anything.

The only vital team mate was mordin

every one else was Expendble

[Sursion]

Jack's one of the funniest and strongest people in the game. I'm glad she's here.



"****. You sound like a ****."

"Shepard just saved you, you little ****"

"I'm not used to people asking me this kind of stuff.... So **** you."



Among others. It's always a joy to have her along

[DeathCultArm]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Soem people just arent "Civil People"espcialy those who grow up in hell

after you help her tourch the base thogh she is "nicer"

But you are completly ingorign the fact that after every thign tha thappend to her it would be unrealistic for her to be "nice" and  trust you easily

Did you even read that?...Anyway...Again everyone there has their own problems. Thane has been killing since he was a teenager...Does he act like that? Hell, Zaeed was more personable than her. I'm not saying she had to be nice, but even when you showed actual interst in her, she went out of her way to to be combatative as possile, just ignoring everyhing around her, only thinking about herself.
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[korraz]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

Am I the only wondering why TIM would suggest her? Nothing about her suggests she is a team player, can follow orders, will not take the first opportunity to shoot you in the back. Her biotic abilities are not all that, and with Samarra in the picture you can hardly call her abilities unique.

Yeah, after some time talking with her and recruiting Samara, I was wondering what the hell TIM was thinking. Somehow I was expecting her to turn on me at some time, which was why I kept talking to her. I hoped I could get her to open and become a real friend. But she just kept ****ing around about her childhood. Like I said, the whole team has at least as bad or MORE severe problems. Take Thane: Created to be a soulles killing machine, finds his one love, who gets killed (and presumably tortured) and thus has to abandon his son, so he wouldn't become so screwed up and stay safe. Then he learns he is dying and there is no way around that AND his son is making the same mistake. Yes, Jack's childhood was ****ed up by any means, but at least after learning that so many children died, to keep her alive, she could take it a little better.

I think I'll romance her in the next playthrough, maybe she really becomes a better character then. Maybe the fact, that she es a deep character is just covered by not letting anyone befriend her (but romance her? Come on!)