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Am I the only one who finds it odd that leaving him to be torn apart by savage primitives is less renegade than giving him the option of suicide.

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Jax Sparrow

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No... I think you are right DPSSOC, that should be 'more' renegade.

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The Angry One

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Well BioWare's the same bunch of developers who, in Jade Empire, thought that selling a mother and daughter into slavery was more "Closed Fist" than teaching the daughter to kill the slaver and set herself free.

Closed Fist being a philosophy of personal strength triumphing all and not cartoonish supervilliany.



The lesson? BioWare don't know anything about their own morality systems.

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Jax Sparrow

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I blame Canada.

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Jax Sparrow wrote...

I blame Canada.


And Canada blames Quebec so there we go.

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I had him arrested. Quick death is being merciful.

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noru18 wrote...

I feel sorry for the old man. Much contempt for Jacob.

The mission is a process of a self-righteous b*stard cursing his own dad and ridiculing the man's way of survival.

Maybe there is a paragon solution. Having Jacob's father kill himself was the worst moment I had playing the game.


You can have him arrested...

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If you had the opportunity to convert any woman around you into your personal love slave, would you?

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I'm still not certain which ending to this mission I prefer: the 'neutral' one or the Renegade one. The Renegade ending is kinda like going easy on him...

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Sympathy? For him? Heheheh... hahah...



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!




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I hope you're trolling OP.



I wish I could have killed the old man in lots of inventive ways myself.

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I disliked Jacob's dad a lot, he only called for help because his minions were turning against him. He had fixed the beacon long time ago, but he didn't use it until his life was indanger. He liked being king/god, getting a statue erected of himself, and having woman doing "everything and anything" for him and to him. He is a bastard.

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Can anyone link to a Youtube vid with the 'neutral' ending (letting the savages attack Ronald)? It's been a while since I've seen it and I can't seem to find it.

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It's what I did as a renegade. I don't remember anything exciting. They just walk up to him I guess. As a paragon I'm gonna let the authorities handle this one. I'm against death in almost any case and I'll just let galactic justice prevail, not take it into my own hands.

Modifié par Luke Bioware, 05 avril 2010 - 09:31 .


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imported_beer wrote...

If you had the opportunity to convert any woman around you into your personal love slave, would you?

Is this a trick question?

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Some one hasn't seen the "Invention of Lying." Getting someone by using a trick or through brainwashing isn't the same as someone loving you for you.

If you want a mindless love slave they make blow-up dolls and DS games for that sort of stuff... BTW isn't that why Dhamer was pouring acid into that guy's brain, because he wanted a sex slave? Yeah, I think when you think about it like that it becomes a lot less appealing to even the reptilian mind - or at least it should.

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SarEnyaDor wrote...
Yeah, I think when you think about it like that it becomes a lot less appealing to even the reptilian mind - or at least it should.



I was basically pointing out that if I were stuck in a planet with no laws but my own, and found out that by feeding the men local vegetation, they'd totally become my love slaves and do whatever I wanted....I would idly roll that idea around in my head with delighted if guilty glee for a while.....before my higher self kicked in and kicked me for even thinking about robbing them of their free will.

Though what Jacob's dad did was horrid, the prospect of absolute power can be corrupting and tempting and that is what the story illustrates. Without the civilizing influence of society or the repurcussions of law, a lot of people may actually do it.

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@ Luke,

I've seen it before in my own game, but it's nice to have it a vid to refer to.

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SarEnyaDor wrote...

Some one hasn't seen the "Invention of Lying."


And that someone should be very glad that they are so fortunate.

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Images, it was a good movie! Made me laugh and cry.

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Images wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

Some one hasn't seen the "Invention of Lying."


And that someone should be very glad that they are so fortunate.


I wouldn't see that movie even if you paid me in chocolate covered Kaidans.

...

Wait, yes I would. But I'd do so grudgingly.

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SarEnyaDor wrote...

Some one hasn't seen the "Invention of Lying." Getting someone by using a trick or through brainwashing isn't the same as someone loving you for you.

If you want a mindless love slave they make blow-up dolls and DS games for that sort of stuff... BTW isn't that why Dhamer was pouring acid into that guy's brain, because he wanted a sex slave? Yeah, I think when you think about it like that it becomes a lot less appealing to even the reptilian mind - or at least it should.

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Yes I haven't seen the movie yet but I also already understand that.  The point was to say something outrageously silly.  As you said, and as illustrated in the game, what his dad got was actually rather disturbing in more than just the conventional sense of right versus wrong.  Something was seriously wrong with the dad's head... I tend to blow through that mission and ignore it cause it fails to make sense.  I typically just arrest him but I think next time I'll let the hunters have him.  Reap what you sew, type thing.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Can anyone link to a Youtube vid with the 'neutral' ending (letting the savages attack Ronald)? It's been a while since I've seen it and I can't seem to find it.


Here

actual result 3:30

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More than even the human aspect, his Highest duty as an officer was to assure the health and safety of his crew. I can't think of a more eregrious breach of that duty that wantonly poisoning and abusing half the crew, supressing the other and forcing all to remain in a brain rotting hellhole in order to save himself from the embarassment and arrest that would follow a rescue.



Maybe someone here will find some mercy for him, for my part, i hope that alliance court throws the book at him.

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the initial decision to save the ships stores of food for the officers is the right one, however, once the beacon was functional, it should have been activated. anything that happened after the repair of the beacon was evil, pure and simple.