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[Console Cowboy]

Coldcall01 wrote...

I'm also thinking I dont want a game verging into adult entertainment territory, unless there is a good story-based reason for it. It seems Bioware are doing it because it provides some cheap thrills to the younger crowd.

Sex/romance is handled in a really juvenile way in ME2.

As I mentioned on another thread which was talking about some of the "sleaziness" in ME2, i think it represnets the same pattern in ME2 as more of a console shooter type game such as GTA 3 or 4.

Is it a coincidence this game is both much more of s shooter and more sleazy than any other Bioware game? I dont think so.

i do not believe we played the same game. which romances did you explore, exactly?

[Treeey]

Myrmedus wrote...

I liked the Tali romance I must admit but I wasn't keen on the Miranda one it just felt like a cheap fling.

Jack I was on the fence about...on the one hand it felt like the romance didn't make sense for it to happen within the story but on the other it was sweet in some ways.

For me, Jack's romance seems strange. Kelly mentioned Jack has this causal feelings towards sex when Jack boarded the ship. And the Paragon way to deal with Jack is to make her feel better about herself and her life... which ended up Shep and Jack in bed.
That's great, isn't it? So Shep cannot be strong-willed enough to not to bed Jack, and to prove that not everyone wants something from Jack to be good to her?

[Champion1]

Console Cowboy wrote...

Coldcall01 wrote...

I'm also thinking I dont want a game verging into adult entertainment territory, unless there is a good story-based reason for it. It seems Bioware are doing it because it provides some cheap thrills to the younger crowd.

Sex/romance is handled in a really juvenile way in ME2.

As I mentioned on another thread which was talking about some of the "sleaziness" in ME2, i think it represnets the same pattern in ME2 as more of a console shooter type game such as GTA 3 or 4.

Is it a coincidence this game is both much more of s shooter and more sleazy than any other Bioware game? I dont think so.

i do not believe we played the same game. which romances did you explore, exactly?

With that kind of reaction, I'm guessing Miranda's

Treeey wrote...

For me, Jack's romance seems strange. Kelly mentioned Jack has this causal feelings towards sex when Jack boarded the ship.
And the Paragon way to deal with Jack is to make her feel better about herself and her life... which ended up Shep and Jack in bed.
That's great, isn't it? So Shep cannot be strong-willed enough to not to bed Jack, and to prove that not everyone wants something from Jack to be good to her?

Actually what Kelly was referring to was the time BEFORE that where Jack is just trying to size Shepard up and says the memorable line "if this is just about sex, maybe you should just ****ing say so".  Shepard then turns her down, leading to a deeper meaning to the relationship and Jack figures out that hey, emotions can be a good thing.  Love happens to be an emotion

Modifié par Champion1, 06 février 2010 - 03:59 .

[nov_pl]

Why didn't I saw Tali's face?!!!?!!11

I was up to romance with Miranda (Solider 989 has the point TBH) but i though "Maybe I'll see Tali's face!" :/

[Myrmedus]

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

Then he should do what everyone else does when coming across slang in a different dialect: look it up. Instead he just expects everyone to speak 'his' dialect because it's all-important 'American'.

Besides, 'American' isn't a dialect because your country has multiple dialects of the English language in different sections of the same country, but even if it was that wasn't the point he was trying to make - you can tell from the tone in his post. Anyway: "Yorkshire" is an English dialect in England. "East Coast" might be an English dialect in the US. "American" doesn't exist.
Just read the tone in his post and you'll where the issue lay. The arrogance in the post is abhorrent - he wasn't trying to insinuate he couldn't understand because it was a different dialect like you, he was trying to say that the OP should speak 'American' because of his own ignorance and as if it's the only 'dialect' a person should speak.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:12 .

[yummysoap]

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

Stop talking to me with your American words and stuff.

I'm Australian. Speak Australian. Speak my dialect.







Mate.
 

[Magicman10893]

Treeey wrote...

IMO, I don't understand why all the romance sub-plot would lead to a bed scene. I understand this is what most of us gamers want. But is that reality? Do all the characters in the game just want sex that much? Can't they have a normal, but more conservative mindsets? Maybe BW would set at least 1 character up that he/she can't take casual sex... That would definitely frustrate a lot of whiners.

It may be hard to tell, but the events of ME2 take place over a couple months apparently. I remember hearing one of the characters mentioning that they have been on the ship with Shepard for over 5 months.

Look at Dragon Age for example. That game took place for over a year, however they never show actual dates or anything so it is hard to tell. With my Mage I was talking to Wynne and she said that between the time I left the Circle to join the Wardens and the time when we were talking (after getting all the treaties, but hadn't completed the Landsmeet) she said it had been a little over a year (maybe two years actually).

So maybe after a couple months of flirting and building a relationship, sex at that point isn't so far off. Also, you've got to remember they are stuck on a ship flying through space with no real interactions with anyone else on a romantic level and probably haven't been laid in months, so their urges are probably getting them pretty bad. Look at prisoners, a couple years with no sexual contact with the opposite sex can make some prisoners turn gay.

[Treeey]

yummysoap wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

Stop talking to me with your American words and stuff.

I'm Australian. Speak Australian. Speak my dialect.

Mate.
 

LOL, let's try not to go off-topic, mate. (But I have to point out that Irish, Welsh and Scottish is actually an entirely different language to English.)

[Treeey]

Magicman10893 wrote...

Treeey wrote...

IMO, I don't understand why all the romance sub-plot would lead to a bed scene. I understand this is what most of us gamers want. But is that reality? Do all the characters in the game just want sex that much? Can't they have a normal, but more conservative mindsets? Maybe BW would set at least 1 character up that he/she can't take casual sex... That would definitely frustrate a lot of whiners.

It may be hard to tell, but the events of ME2 take place over a couple months apparently. I remember hearing one of the characters mentioning that they have been on the ship with Shepard for over 5 months.

Look at Dragon Age for example. That game took place for over a year, however they never show actual dates or anything so it is hard to tell. With my Mage I was talking to Wynne and she said that between the time I left the Circle to join the Wardens and the time when we were talking (after getting all the treaties, but hadn't completed the Landsmeet) she said it had been a little over a year (maybe two years actually).

So maybe after a couple months of flirting and building a relationship, sex at that point isn't so far off. Also, you've got to remember they are stuck on a ship flying through space with no real interactions with anyone else on a romantic level and probably haven't been laid in months, so their urges are probably getting them pretty bad. Look at prisoners, a couple years with no sexual contact with the opposite sex can make some prisoners turn gay.

Well you have a point there. I wish BW isn't promoting all women want Shepard - that kind of image - to us. Not that I don't like a girl tearing her clothes off in front of me, but it's a moral issue of it that bothers me. Like I said above of how Shep would bed Jack as a paragon, who should really prove Jack wrong that not everyone who's nice to her would want to bed her, if you want what I mean...

[Myrmedus]

Treeey wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

Stop talking to me with your American words and stuff.

I'm Australian. Speak Australian. Speak my dialect.

Mate.
 

LOL, let's try not to go off-topic, mate. (But I have to point out that Irish, Welsh and Scottish is actually an entirely different language to English.)

Indeed, but he wouldn't know that because it requires knowledge of the world outside your own borders.

Anyway I see DA:O has come up but I actually felt the romances in that game were pretty good, especially the Morrigan romance as it was all over the place...there was an actual story arc there between the two of you where her character changes.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[Unit-Alpha]

Myrmedus wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

'American' isn't a dialect because your country has multiple dialects of the English language in different sections of the same country, but even if it was that wasn't the point he was trying to make - you can tell from the tone in his post. Anyway: "Yorkshire" is an English dialect in England. "East Coast" might be an English dialect in the US. "American" doesn't exist.
Just read the tone in his post and you'll where the issue lay - the arrogance in the post is abhorrent - he wasn't trying to insinuate it as a dialect like you, he was trying to say that the OP should speak 'American' because of his own ignorance and as if it's the only 'dialect' a person should speak.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he was joking...

[Vaenier]

yummysoap wrote...

Stop talking to me with your American words and stuff.
I'm Australian. Speak Australian. Speak my dialect.







Mate.

lol. win

[Champion1]

Treeey wrote...

Magicman10893 wrote...

Treeey wrote...

IMO, I don't understand why all the romance sub-plot would lead to a bed scene. I understand this is what most of us gamers want. But is that reality? Do all the characters in the game just want sex that much? Can't they have a normal, but more conservative mindsets? Maybe BW would set at least 1 character up that he/she can't take casual sex... That would definitely frustrate a lot of whiners.

It may be hard to tell, but the events of ME2 take place over a couple months apparently. I remember hearing one of the characters mentioning that they have been on the ship with Shepard for over 5 months.

Look at Dragon Age for example. That game took place for over a year, however they never show actual dates or anything so it is hard to tell. With my Mage I was talking to Wynne and she said that between the time I left the Circle to join the Wardens and the time when we were talking (after getting all the treaties, but hadn't completed the Landsmeet) she said it had been a little over a year (maybe two years actually).

So maybe after a couple months of flirting and building a relationship, sex at that point isn't so far off. Also, you've got to remember they are stuck on a ship flying through space with no real interactions with anyone else on a romantic level and probably haven't been laid in months, so their urges are probably getting them pretty bad. Look at prisoners, a couple years with no sexual contact with the opposite sex can make some prisoners turn gay.

Well you have a point there. I wish BW isn't promoting all women want Shepard - that kind of image - to us. Not that I don't like a girl tearing her clothes off in front of me, but it's a moral issue of it that bothers me. Like I said above of how Shep would bed Jack as a paragon, who should really prove Jack wrong that not everyone who's nice to her would want to bed her, if you want what I mean...

I get what your saying, but I saw the whole point of the Jack romance as Shepard getting Jack to open up to feelings more, and remember that Shepard has to turn her down once before getting the Paragon love scene.  I just think it would hurt her more then anything if she came up to your room on the night of the suicide mission, confesses actual love to you, and you respond with "I think it's better to wait."  I know that sounds weird, but at a time like that consumating the relationship feels more appropriate to give her security then trying to play the nice/pure boyfriend.

[Myrmedus]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

'American' isn't a dialect because your country has multiple dialects of the English language in different sections of the same country, but even if it was that wasn't the point he was trying to make - you can tell from the tone in his post. Anyway: "Yorkshire" is an English dialect in England. "East Coast" might be an English dialect in the US. "American" doesn't exist.
Just read the tone in his post and you'll where the issue lay - the arrogance in the post is abhorrent - he wasn't trying to insinuate it as a dialect like you, he was trying to say that the OP should speak 'American' because of his own ignorance and as if it's the only 'dialect' a person should speak.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he was joking...

I'm pretty sure he wasn't, to be honest. His post has no humorous tone in it whatsoever and it's phrased in a very specific way which says in other words "Speak my dialect".

If he meant to joke then he's a poor comic

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:14 .

[WarmachineX0]

Treeey wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

I liked the Tali romance I must admit but I wasn't keen on the Miranda one it just felt like a cheap fling.

Jack I was on the fence about...on the one hand it felt like the romance didn't make sense for it to happen within the story but on the other it was sweet in some ways.

For me, Jack's romance seems strange. Kelly mentioned Jack has this causal feelings towards sex when Jack boarded the ship. And the Paragon way to deal with Jack is to make her feel better about herself and her life... which ended up Shep and Jack in bed.
That's great, isn't it? So Shep cannot be strong-willed enough to not to bed Jack, and to prove that not everyone wants something from Jack to be good to her?

Not every Top/Bottom right hand choice is Paragon/renagade. Top/Bottom also works as just plain yes/no as well. Miranda and Tali have a pivitol yes/no moment (you actually have to select something other then the middle if you've worked for them), Jack's dialog I find somewhat complicated, because the the moment she hints at it, there is a yes/no and a middle option, I took the middle option (its no as well), and it comes across as your try'n to get to know her as a friend.

Modifié par WarmachineX0, 06 février 2010 - 04:14 .

[The_mango55]

Myrmedus wrote...

Treeey wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

Stop talking to me with your American words and stuff.

I'm Australian. Speak Australian. Speak my dialect.

Mate.
 

LOL, let's try not to go off-topic, mate. (But I have to point out that Irish, Welsh and Scottish is actually an entirely different language to English.)

Indeed, but he wouldn't know that because it requires knowledge of the world outside your own borders.

Anyway I see DA:O has come up but I actually felt the romances in that game were pretty good, especially the Morrigan romance as it was all over the place...there was an actual story arc there between the two of you where her character changes.

LOL, generic American stereotyping.

America has multiple dialects but there is an overarching "American" dialect as well, determining what words are used in what situation and how things are spelled.

Britain has multiple dialects but they all spell "colour" and "aluminium"
America has multiple dialects but they all spell "color" and "aluminum"

[conchan]

Just want to add something here; Miranda has the finest ass in video game history, carry on.

[Myrmedus]

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Treeey wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

I liked the Tali romance I must admit but I wasn't keen on the Miranda one it just felt like a cheap fling.

Jack I was on the fence about...on the one hand it felt like the romance didn't make sense for it to happen within the story but on the other it was sweet in some ways.

For me, Jack's romance seems strange. Kelly mentioned Jack has this causal feelings towards sex when Jack boarded the ship. And the Paragon way to deal with Jack is to make her feel better about herself and her life... which ended up Shep and Jack in bed.
That's great, isn't it? So Shep cannot be strong-willed enough to not to bed Jack, and to prove that not everyone wants something from Jack to be good to her?

Not every Top/Bottom right hand choice is Paragon/renagade. Top/Bottom also works as just plain yes/no as well. Miranda and Tali have a pivitol yes/no moment (you actually have to select something other then the middle if you've worked for them), Jack's dialog I find somewhat complicated, because the the moment she hints at it, there is a yes/no and a middle option, I took the middle option (its no as well), and it comes across as your try'n to get to know her as a friend.

This was an interesting point with ME2 actually that I really, REALLY liked. The lines between 'Paragon' and 'Renegade' blurred and crossed over on occasion...an example comes to mind with the Quarian on the Citadel who is accused of stealing from a Vollus. If you take the Paragon interrupt after solving the issue, Shepard actually grabs both the Vollus and the C-Sec officer by the scruffs of the neck and gives them a talking to, very alike a Renegade actual.

[yummysoap]

conchan wrote...

Just want to add something here; Miranda has the finest ass in video game history, carry on.

Finally someone who has his priorities in check! I was beginning to lose hope.

[Champion1]

conchan wrote...

Just want to add something here; Miranda has the finest ass in video game history, carry on.

So many jokes... I really don't want to open up how morally wrong it is that her father "engineered" her to have the perfect body though...  So I'll just say yes, very nice proportions there

Edit: could the people warring about dialect and languages go somewhere else?  This thread is kinda about sex... just sayin' <3

Modifié par Champion1, 06 février 2010 - 04:21 .

[Myrmedus]

The_mango55 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Treeey wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

You people realize that American IS a dialect and someone from America won't always understand slang from another region, even if they speak the same language.

Stop talking to me with your American words and stuff.

I'm Australian. Speak Australian. Speak my dialect.

Mate.
 

LOL, let's try not to go off-topic, mate. (But I have to point out that Irish, Welsh and Scottish is actually an entirely different language to English.)

Indeed, but he wouldn't know that because it requires knowledge of the world outside your own borders.

Anyway I see DA:O has come up but I actually felt the romances in that game were pretty good, especially the Morrigan romance as it was all over the place...there was an actual story arc there between the two of you where her character changes.

LOL, generic American stereotyping.

America has multiple dialects but there is an overarching "American" dialect as well, determining what words are used in what situation and how things are spelled.

Britain has multiple dialects but they all spell "colour" and "aluminium"
America has multiple dialects but they all spell "color" and "aluminum"

Which is the exact point - American stereotyping exists which makes it even worse when you meet posters who actually FIT the stereotype with their attitudes. I'm under no illusions, of course not every American is like that and there are British people who are just as bad (look up "British Nationalist Party" on Google), but this guy's post wreaked of that typical stereotype and that's why there was such a response to it.

Besides, he wasn't referring to "American" as a dialect, mate. Read what he said: "but I don't speak English or
Irish or Welsh or Scottish or Australian or whatever, I speak American". English isn't a dialect, it's a language. He actually insinuates that speaking "American" isn't speaking English as if it's a different language.

Stop defending the indefensible, it just makes you look like him.

And no, actually not all American 'dialects' spell it "color" - many East Coast states spell it with the "u".

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

aeetos21 wrote...

I think "dolly birds" means girls that put on so much makeup they look closer to a barbie doll than actual person.

And "super slaggy?" Maybe super ****ty but I don't speak English or Irish or Welsh or Scottish or Australian or whatever, I speak American.

First line, I agree with.

Second line, not so much,.............if by speaking American, ahem, are you NOT speaking English?

[Treeey]

Myrmedus wrote...

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Treeey wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

I liked the Tali romance I must admit but I wasn't keen on the Miranda one it just felt like a cheap fling.

Jack I was on the fence about...on the one hand it felt like the romance didn't make sense for it to happen within the story but on the other it was sweet in some ways.

For me, Jack's romance seems strange. Kelly mentioned Jack has this causal feelings towards sex when Jack boarded the ship. And the Paragon way to deal with Jack is to make her feel better about herself and her life... which ended up Shep and Jack in bed.
That's great, isn't it? So Shep cannot be strong-willed enough to not to bed Jack, and to prove that not everyone wants something from Jack to be good to her?

Not every Top/Bottom right hand choice is Paragon/renagade. Top/Bottom also works as just plain yes/no as well. Miranda and Tali have a pivitol yes/no moment (you actually have to select something other then the middle if you've worked for them), Jack's dialog I find somewhat complicated, because the the moment she hints at it, there is a yes/no and a middle option, I took the middle option (its no as well), and it comes across as your try'n to get to know her as a friend.

This was an interesting point with ME2 actually that I really, REALLY liked. The lines between 'Paragon' and 'Renegade' blurred and crossed over on occasion...an example comes to mind with the Quarian on the Citadel who is accused of stealing from a Vollus. If you take the Paragon interrupt after solving the issue, Shepard actually grabs both the Vollus and the C-Sec officer by the scruffs of the neck and gives them a talking to, very alike a Renegade actual.

True, the paragon/renegade option has been modified to handle much better in situation like this in ME2.

conchan wrote...

Just want to add something here; Miranda has the finest ass in video game history, carry on.

Everyone keep saying that! I felt so horrible I put Miranda in her dark colour suit when my male Shep was bedding her. Total fail.

[conchan]

yummysoap wrote...

conchan wrote...

Just want to add something here; Miranda has the finest ass in video game history, carry on.

Finally someone who has his priorities in check! I was beginning to lose hope.

I swear I didn't realize she actually had a face for half the game =|

[Champion1]

Treeey wrote...

conchan wrote...

Just want to add something here; Miranda has the finest ass in video game history, carry on.

Everyone keep saying that! I felt so horrible I put Miranda in her dark colour suit when my male Shep was bedding her. Total fail.

It's okay, we all feel your pain.  The black leather was just waaay too inviting :innocent: