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[Eshaye]

Well I didn't think it was THAT bad but the romances could have been done better, maybe with lesser characters. The story arc of ME2 in the romance department was to create a relationship for the single Shepards and competition to the Shepards with Liara/Ashley/Kaidan.

Feel free not to like it but I thought it was a nice realistic touch. Take the Dragon Age novels, and how Marric knew for a long time he's end up marrying Rowan, but ends up being seduced and falling for Katriel and hurting Rowan..... Kinda like that. If you think it's there to appeal to a younger audience just for the sex part I think you need to talk to more adults about their love lives. Because often things are not so clear all the time, especially when distance and difficult circumstances come into play. Or in Shepard's case, death and a shady organization taking over their lives.

About the Kelly thing I don't know is that was necessary but I think it was another nice touch, personally I would prefer it if it was just a platonic thing the whole way, but can't say it bothers me that much either. In the whole game sexuality is spoken of a lot and I thought it was in a mature way, it's a much more adult game, as for Miranda's outfit even that is addressed whithin the game and it's obvious BioWare did that on purpose too, so you can't resist her, not for the common denominator factor but for the fact it might bite you in the butt in ME3...

[Champion1]

I justify the romance progression in ME2 by the fact that you have to complete the loyalty mission first. Still feels awkward since there really isn't a "lets be friends" option though, you sort of just have to stop talking to them before things get too serious.  I was always just friends with Liara in ME1 and I liked that option.  That way I could still talk to her without bieng forced to flirt.

Modifié par Champion1, 06 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[Myrmedus]

The_mango55 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Which is the exact point - American stereotyping exists which makes it even worse when you meet posters who actually FIT the stereotype with their attitudes. I'm under no illusions, of course not every American is like that and there are British people who are just as bad (look up "British Nationalist Party" on Google), but this guy's post wreaked of that typical stereotype and that's why there was such a response to it.

Besides, he wasn't referring to "American" as a dialect, mate. Read what he said: "but I don't speak English or
Irish or Welsh or Scottish or Australian or whatever, I speak American". English isn't a dialect, it's a language. He actually insinuates that speaking "American" isn't speaking English as if it's a different language.

Stop defending the indefensible, it just makes you look like him.

And no, actually not all American 'dialects' spell it "color" - many East Coast states spell it with the "u".

So he said English instead of British, actually seems somewhat appropriate since he was pointing out scottish and welsh too, and those are both integrated into British.
http://en.wikipedia....British_English
http://en.wikipedia....merican_English

And a couple of cultural backwaters on islands only accessible by ferry don't change the fact that Amercians spell it color.

I'm not going to continue this discussion because you're arguing on a string and I'm not going to continue to waste my time pointing out why he, and apparently you, are wrong. There are other Americans in here that are able to acknowledge his post was idiotic, why are you incapable?

"Welsh" is a language, not a dialect. Since you like wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia..../Welsh_language
"Scottish" is a language, not a dialect: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic
"Irish" is a language, not a dialect: http://en.wikipedia..../Irish_language

His ignorance of these facts highlight and prove my point.

His choice of "English" rather than "British" was very, VERY much intentional and not an accidental or incidental slip especially with the inclusion of "Welsh", "Scottish" and "Irish" because when these people speak English they generally don't speak a different dialect to the rest of Britain. Even in the event that he meant them as dialects the point still remains that the rest of the English speaking world manages to understand one another's dialects so why can't he manage? And why feel the need to 'correct' the OP as if what he said was incorrect, purely because he spoke a different dialect?

Arrogance, that's why.

Again, please stop defending the indefensible.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:50 .

[Eshaye]

Champion1 wrote...

I justify the romance progression in ME2 by the fact that you have to complete the loyalty mission first. Still feels awkward since there really isn't a "lets be friends" option though, you sort of just have to stop talking to them before things get too serious.  I was always just friends with Liara in ME1 and I liked that option.  That way I could still talk to her without bieng forced to flirt.

That was sorely missing, more character development in ME3 please, but I think it will be the case because I wager that the romances in ME3 will be pretty much resolved, something more along  the lines of ME1 but with ME2 baggage lol. 

I really loved the whole drinking with Dr. Chakwas thing, nicely done I was hoping for more things like that, just casual and friendly. 

[Unato]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Romance isn't the only thing that the game is attempting to display through the sex scenes (I use that term loosely for ME2), the purpose is to display passion. Fact for the matter is that the apex, it doesnt have to be cheap or "just for the hell of it" but actually have meaning.

The idea is that, without an omnipotent point of view, you are all going into a mission that you arn't expecting to return from. While it would be nice to build a romatic relationship the two of you may not live past the mission. The dev's use sex as an expression of the passion between Shepard and the love interest.
.

This I agree with

I also think the main problem is time, in that the game doesn't tell you XYZ days / weeks / months has passed. one of the examples I can remember off the top of my head is Tali's loyalty mission, when you come back from retaking that ship the council said you've been gone for hours when in reality it takes you like 30minutes? to finish the level ( give or take depending on difficulty level )

Modifié par Unato, 06 février 2010 - 04:49 .

[Console Cowboy]

Champion1 wrote...

I justify the romance progression in ME2 by the fact that you have to complete the loyalty mission first. Still feels awkward since there really isn't a "lets be friends" option though, you sort of just have to stop talking to them before things get too serious.  I was always just friends with Liara in ME1 and I liked that option.  That way I could still talk to her without bieng forced to flirt.

i missed that. i liked Jacob but every time i talked to him Shep was practically dropping her pants.

[The_mango55]

Myrmedus wrote...


I'm not going to continue this discussion because you're arguing on a thread and I'm not going to continue to waste my time pointing out why he, and apparently you, are wrong.

"Welsh" is a language, not a dialect. Since you like wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia..../Welsh_language
"Scottish" is a language, not a dialect: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic
"Irish" is a language, not a dialect: http://en.wikipedia..../Irish_language

His ignorance of these facts highlight and prove my point.

His choice of "English" rather than "British" was very, VERY much intentional and not an accidental or incidental slip. Even in the event that he meant them as dialects the point still remains that the rest of the English speaking world manages to understand one another's dialects so why can't he manage? And why feel the need to 'correct' the OP as if what he said was incorrect, purely because he spoke a different dialect?

Arrogance, that's why.

Again, please stop defending the indefensible.

I just don't understand why you have such a big problem with it. Ireland, Scotland, Austrailia, England, and America all speak different versions of the same language.

And I've never heard the term "slaggy" before either, so your outrage at him not knowing what it means seems very petty. When I read Harry Potter I thought "snogging" meant "screwing" and assumed everyone at that school was incredibly easy.

[ODST 3]

Coldcall01 wrote...


Maybe I'm in the minority but i am starting to grow tired of these templatised romances which invariably turn into a game of bedding a squad member. They are so predictable and feel like they are just being used now as a cheap gimmick. The girls are being made to look like dolly birds or they act super slaggy.

IMO, The most interesting romance/affair recently produced was in DAO involving the PC and Morrigan. That seemed more interesting and meaningful that the sort of quicko ritualised mating involved in the other romances in ME1, ME2.

Morrigan was a tw@t. I like the Mass Effect romances. Especially Ashley and Tali.

[Eshaye]

**spoilers end game!***



Yeah if you take into account that if you go to a planet before rescuing your crew from the collectors they get liquified.... So going to each planet takes what, hours, days?



To me ME2 spawns a few months enough to get everyone on board and deal with their history, and solve a few side missions.

[ToshiStation38]

Eshaye wrote...

Well I didn't think it was THAT bad but the romances could have been done better, maybe with lesser characters. The story arc of ME2 in the romance department was to create a relationship for the single Shepards and competition to the Shepards with Liara/Ashley/Kaidan.

Feel free not to like it but I thought it was a nice realistic touch. Take the Dragon Age novels, and how Marric knew for a long time he's end up marrying Rowan, but ends up being seduced and falling for Katriel and hurting Rowan..... Kinda like that. If you think it's there to appeal to a younger audience just for the sex part I think you need to talk to more adults about their love lives. Because often things are not so clear all the time, especially when distance and difficult circumstances come into play. Or in Shepard's case, death and a shady organization taking over their lives.

About the Kelly thing I don't know is that was necessary but I think it was another nice touch, personally I would prefer it if it was just a platonic thing the whole way, but can't say it bothers me that much either. In the whole game sexuality is spoken of a lot and I thought it was in a mature way, it's a much more adult game, as for Miranda's outfit even that is addressed whithin the game and it's obvious BioWare did that on purpose too, so you can't resist her, not for the common denominator factor but for the fact it might bite you in the butt in ME3...

Well said. This is pretty much exactly how I looked at it.

[mothbanquet]

I felt the romance was a bit of a cop out at the end. All they had to do was have Tali/Miranda/Whoever's hand entwine with Shepard's while he looks out the window and that would have been sufficient. Seemed a little lazy to me.

[ODST 3]

Lmaoboat wrote...

I hated Morrigan. Dumb broad wanted me to kill her mother. Flemeth saved my life, what did Morrigan do for me besides start PMSing every time I did something heroic?

Yeah, I could have cut that **** down in the blink of an eye and they never gave me the chance. Her epilogue sucked too, though all the epilogues in DA sucked.

[Treeey]

I hate to bring this up again, The_mango55, people in Scotland, Ireland and Wales do not speak the same language as people in England. They have their own languages, although English is still commonly used.



As for Australia, England and America, most of them speak English, but with different accent/dialect, and hence, there are different slangs and spellings in it.



Get your facts right please.

[Myrmedus]

The_mango55 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


I'm not going to continue this discussion because you're arguing on a thread and I'm not going to continue to waste my time pointing out why he, and apparently you, are wrong.

"Welsh" is a language, not a dialect. Since you like wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia..../Welsh_language
"Scottish" is a language, not a dialect: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Gaelic
"Irish" is a language, not a dialect: http://en.wikipedia..../Irish_language

His ignorance of these facts highlight and prove my point.

His choice of "English" rather than "British" was very, VERY much intentional and not an accidental or incidental slip. Even in the event that he meant them as dialects the point still remains that the rest of the English speaking world manages to understand one another's dialects so why can't he manage? And why feel the need to 'correct' the OP as if what he said was incorrect, purely because he spoke a different dialect?

Arrogance, that's why.

Again, please stop defending the indefensible.

I just don't understand why you have such a big problem with it. Ireland, Scotland, Austrailia, England, and America all speak different versions of the same language.

No they don't. Ireland, Scotland and England relatively speak the same version of English and have their own languages - referring to their dialects of English as "Welsh", "Irish" and "Scottish" would actually be yet another insult to those people but I won't get into that. And regardless, that wasn't the point he was getting at - you're interpreting his post incorrectly I believe.

And I've never heard the term "slaggy" before either, so your outrage at him not knowing what it means seems very petty. When I read Harry Potter I thought "snogging" meant "screwing" and assumed everyone at that school was incredibly easy.

Then you've completely misread the posts of those who responded to him, mine included. There is no outrage at him not understanding "slaggy", that's completely fine. The outrage is the guy "correcting" the OP by basically saying "You mean ****ty" as if the OP was incorrect purely because he dared to speak another dialect than 'American'.

If you're a younger poster you might not see it. It's the tone of the post and what it echoes of that makes it clear what he meant. Regardless, honestly this is the last time I post on this off-topic.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:58 .

[Unato]

I'd like to state this is prob the only thread I've seen with 3 active conversations



ok I give Miranda is pretty hot

[Nautica773]

As for the OP, there's nothing wrong with the romances. They are optional content and can be avoided if you have no desire to engage in that aspect. I just wish the damnable dialogue wheel was more explicit in what it was going to say! It's annoying when you're trying to explore a character's personality and then suddenly BAM! you're in a stealth romance.

[Myrmedus]

Nautica773 wrote...

As for the OP, there's nothing wrong with the romances. They are optional content and can be avoided if you have no desire to engage in that aspect. I just wish the damnable dialogue wheel was more explicit in what it was going to say! It's annoying when you're trying to explore a character's personality and then suddenly BAM! you're in a stealth romance.

I don't think he has an issue with the romances only the way in which they're carried out. They don't feel like a natural progression - like Bastila and the PC in KOTOR - but more like a contrived 'setup'.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 04:59 .

[Champion1]

Unato wrote...

I'd like to state this is prob the only thread I've seen with 3 active conversations

ok I give Miranda is pretty hot

It's interesting to read, ain't it?  Like one of those adventure books... "If you chose to action A go to page 17."

[-Area51-Silent]

I understand where people are going with the "Lets just be friends" idea, however there is a limit to the amount of conversation to be had in a situation where all conversations are basically pre-programmed.



They could put the "lets just be friends" dialogue in, however the conversations would more than likely stop there. There is only so much depth that will exist in these characters because of the limitations of the programming,space (Disc space), and time. I did think that passion was displayed a bit more so in ME1's love scenes, and the fear of nudity in the 2nd one is sort of funny and kind of cheapens it.



No one just jumps anyone in the scenes from ME1, they are done in such a way that they actually continue to build through the short scene.

[ODST 3]

Champion1 wrote...

I justify the romance progression in ME2 by the fact that you have to complete the loyalty mission first. Still feels awkward since there really isn't a "lets be friends" option though, you sort of just have to stop talking to them before things get too serious.  I was always just friends with Liara in ME1 and I liked that option.  That way I could still talk to her without bieng forced to flirt.

You can be friends with Miranda, Tali, Jacob, Garrus, and Kelly. Don't know about THane, but I think Jack gets offended if you turn her down even after you get to know her.

[Booster008]

more titillation, please.

[The_mango55]

Myrmedus wrote...


Then you've completely misread the posts of those who responded to him, mine included. There is no outrage at him not understanding "slaggy", that's completely fine. The outrage is the guy "correcting" the OP by basically saying "You mean ****ty" as if the OP was incorrect purely because he dared to speak another dialect than 'American'.

If you're a younger poster you might not see it. It's the tone of the post and what it echoes of that makes it clear what he meant. Regardless, honestly this is the last time I post on this off-topic.

Sorry but I think you're the one who misread the intention of his posts.

Console Cowboy wrote...

i think they've taken a big step
away from what you're talking about in ME2. but i also am willing to
admit that i don't know what you mean by "dolly birds" or "super
slaggy."

aeetos21 wrote...

I think "dolly birds" means girls that put on so much makeup they look closer to a barbie doll than actual person.

And
"super slaggy?" Maybe super ****ty but I don't speak English or Irish
or Welsh or Scottish or Australian or whatever, I speak
American.

He wasn't correcting anyone, he was trying to answer a question for someone who also didn't understand it.

[Champion1]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

I understand where people are going with the "Lets just be friends" idea, however there is a limit to the amount of conversation to be had in a situation where all conversations are basically pre-programmed.

They could put the "lets just be friends" dialogue in, however the conversations would more than likely stop there. There is only so much depth that will exist in these characters because of the limitations of the programming,space (Disc space), and time. I did think that passion was displayed a bit more so in ME1's love scenes, and the fear of nudity in the 2nd one is sort of funny and kind of cheapens it.

No one just jumps anyone in the scenes from ME1, they are done in such a way that they actually continue to build through the short scene.

THANK YOU!!!  Was ME1 REALLY that bad with the side-shots of naked women that the "sex"-scenes in ME2 needed everyone to be fully clothed?  In Tali's case, OK, but otherwise it looked rediculous and stupid.  The game is rated "M for Mature" for a reason!!!

[shinobi602]

The game spans a few months, just like ME1 did (Ashley said it did). There's nothing wrong with a relationship becoming sexually active in that time, is there?