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[Khavos]

Fexelea wrote...

I think he made a mistake, and I praise his effort to clarify the situation. I do not think this makes him a hero, unless we are going to classify every person who sorts thrugh a potential PR infection as one. But it does take guts to admit to an rectify mistakes, so he has my kudos for that. Hopefully the famous PR lore will stick next time: All you say can and will be used against you. Forget about your emotions. Stick to corporate approved terminology at all times. lol

I don't think he needs PR advice from anonymous forumites.  He's clearly already got several nerdragers convinced that they were right all along without changing the meaning of anything he's said. 

[Deviija]

What I find amusing about the nudity argument is that it rarely is about nudity and maturity in the game, but specifically about seeing female nudity in the game. The argument would hold a lot more weight, in my eyes, if it was about nudity/maturity in mature games for both males and females. Focusing on one gender isn't maturity, it becomes exploitation.

[Fexelea]

Khavos wrote...

Fexelea wrote...

I think he made a mistake, and I praise his effort to clarify the situation. I do not think this makes him a hero, unless we are going to classify every person who sorts thrugh a potential PR infection as one. But it does take guts to admit to an rectify mistakes, so he has my kudos for that. Hopefully the famous PR lore will stick next time: All you say can and will be used against you. Forget about your emotions. Stick to corporate approved terminology at all times. lol

I don't think he needs PR advice from anonymous forumites.  He's clearly already got several nerdragers convinced that they were right all along without changing the meaning of anything he's said. 

I doubt there was any PR advise for him from annonymous forumites.

[Kalfear]

Deviija wrote...

What I find amusing about the nudity argument is that it rarely is about nudity and maturity in the game, but specifically about seeing female nudity in the game. The argument would hold a lot more weight, in my eyes, if it was about nudity/maturity in mature games for both males and females. Focusing on one gender isn't maturity, it becomes exploitation.

Problem with your desire is its not maturity or in a games best interest to show genitilia of any kind. Do that and you give the protesters fuel to the fire about game sanctioned porn.

Im all for a breast or nipple here and there if it makes the sex scenes more convincing and adds a MATURE feeling to the game but I dont want to see some chick spread legs or a guy swinging in the wind as you request.

One is tasteful artistry and the other is basically porn. Porn is porn by any words you want to use.

So no, the arguement wouldnt hold more weight because you have a desire to see penises and vaginas. Thats not what the arguement/debate is about!

And for the record, in England they have topless girls as Sunshine Girls in the daily newspaper. Here in Ontatio Canada females are legally allowed to walk around topless if they so desire to. In fact, pretty much worldwide there is some type of toplessness legality! Is it your arguement the world is exploiting those women by giving them freedom of choice? Really its only the good ol USA thats all up in arms about breasts/chests and nipples.

But also pretty much worldwild, when it comes to the lower areas, thats porn and no one but you is interested in porn in this topic.

If this topic really was about porn, then those trolls that say to go look it up on the internet to get your fix would have a point. But thats NOT what this about so as usual, they have no point worth mentioning.

Say YES to MATURE, tasteful, artistic love scenes
Say NO to porn and overly explictive raunch better left on the XXX sites.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Vlainstrike wrote...

People do compare the combat between ME1 & ME2 - often. And much of the improvements (granted, some will argue they like the old combat better) between the two games is a testament to Bioware's responsiveness to reviews and community feedback on the last game, which is another reason the handling of sex in ME2 is so baffling - you may not feel the same, but to many of the posters here, most game elements were greatly improved between ME1 & ME2, while the treatment of both romantic dialogue and sex feels like a huge step back.

Only similarity is names and setting? lolz... not even gonna bother with that one.

Will be interesting to see how they handle ME3 though.

But thats my point. You cant really comppare them because they are not the same.
I loved ME1, it had its flaws and needed some tweeking, I like ME 2, but because they altered so much of the core gameplay, it dont feel like the same series. It be like the next halo being a point and click adventure with interactive talking.

The basic point of the matter is, that unless you have proof that the love scenes have been altered in ME 2, then this entire arguement is mute. And comparing them to the Scenes in ME is not a solid argument because you have no proof that they were to be like that in ME 2.

[Satanicfirewraith]

Kalfear wrote...

Say YES to MATURE, tasteful, artistic love scenes
Say HELL YES to porn and overly explictive raunch stuff.

Fixed!

[Aedan_Cousland]

I don't see nudity as a necessity. So long as the love scenes are cinematic and not corny, I don't mind if their naked bits are obscured or never shown. Dragon Age's love scenes did not contain nudity either, but unlike Mass Effect they were corny. I think ME2 did a much better job with those scenes.

However, I do think at least some of the criticism of Bioware over the lack of nudity in ME2 may be valid. There wouldn't be an issue if there hadn't been nudity in the first game, but since there was, it apears as if the the people involved in ME2 were trying to avoid a repeat of the Fox News controversy surrounding ME1's love scenes. If that was a factor in Bioware's decision making, then the criticism of them is completely valid. Bioware shouldn't let criticism from people in the media who neither buy nor play their games influence their decision making.

[jamskinner]

Hey, how come Bioware doesn't show my commander shepard taking a dump? I mean everybody has to sometime even a spectre. Heck, the game even has toilets in it. I think it must have been cut due to outside pressure. Shame on you Bioware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Modifié par jamskinner, 08 février 2010 - 02:30 .

[Fishy]

Seriously if you want tities .. 75% of the internet = tities.



I'm actually happy they managed to create good romance without having to show some chick vagine on a video game.

[Atrumitos]

Even though I don't mind the no-nudity approach, they could go for naked characters without showing anything "naughty". Would keep it real at least.



And lol, Morrigan was indeed more dressed when wearing her underwear instead of her clothing rofl

[Aedan_Cousland]

jamskinner wrote...

Hey, how come Bioware doesn't show my commander shepard taking a dump? I mean everybody has to sometime even a spectre. Heck, the game even has toilets in it. I think it must have been cut due to outside pressure. Shame on you Bioware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

While funny, there was no scene of Commander Shepard taking a dump in the first game (thank God!) and no media controversy involving bodily functions usually performed in the bathroom.

The criticism of Bioware over not including nudity in this game *might* be legitimate, since there was nudity in the first game, and plenty of controversy in the media surrounding it. It all depends upon whether or not that controversy played a factor in Bioware's decision making.

I don't think nudity is a necessity and I like the love scenes in ME2 just the way they are. I just don't think Bioware should ever be influenced by criticism from media talking heads, or from crusty old fuddy duddies or crusading feminists who neither buy or play their games. Perhaps that controversy wasn't a factor, but since the content in ME2 is a little more tame than the content in ME1, it does give that impression.

[Ninja Ataris]

I don't mind either way they do it, as long as it's tasteful.

I've only had chance to play through ME2 once and the love scenes were much better overall IMO. I never cared much for the sex scenes so maybe that's why. It's the dialogue that's interesting and I think ME2 was in the top there, if not the best so far.

[Reconfire89]

It's worrying that some people even begin to assume that sex and nudity are the most mature parts of a relationship.

What has become of this current generation?

[Thompson family]

No game that includes a conversation between a turian who's trying to score and a quarian who's not interested because she's found an "attachment" to her suit that leaves her satisfied can credibly be accused of caving in to morality police. That's just one of may examples that could be cited.

[JabberJaww]

The game has a few Eff Bombs thrown in every now and then, so not sure why nudity would have been a problem.

[redvandam1983]

I think someone already said it best. Someone getting melted and sucked into a tube, no controversy. Show some barely X-rated nudity, morally corrupt. It's a pathetic, bible thumping society we live in.

[TopUSGun]

This is immature.

[img]http://imgur.com/TW0ru.jpg[/img]

That is not a modified picture without any mods.

Are you saying a little mature sex scene is more immature than that?

[Jebel Krong]

throw in more than a couple of romance scenes, similar to me1&2, with your LI and i think most people would be statisfied, as long as the romance was deep and handled well.

[The Demonologist]

Well, after all this, as a straight dude, I have one thing to say.



If you're going to include nudity, then Bioware will have to proudly display it swinging in the wind along with the T/A. The A of both sides.



Yeah, gender equality is a b*tch for some of ya', ain't it?



Now, PARTIAL nudity is a different story.

[Legbiter]

This thread smells of stale sweat and smegma.

[The Demonologist]

Legbiter wrote...

This thread smells of stale sweat and smegma.

Strippers to the right. ------------------->

[Snarlinghamster]

Yes, from now on I'll keep my clothes on when having sex, it will save me money on condoms.

[John Hyperion]

Khavos wrote...

2.  Bioware's not a dictatorship, no.  Game design is.  If you can point to a design decision that you or any other fan made in place of Bioware, though, I'll retract that statement.  

The United States is a dictatorship. If you can point to a decision that you or any other voter made in place of the US government, I'll retract that statement.

You and Mr. Woo should look up what dictatorship means and why people dislike them. It's an asinine term to use, especially coming from someone who probably isn't the one making the big decisions about anything.

Modifié par John Hyperion, 08 février 2010 - 04:54 .