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[RederickEQ]

I think it be cool to have a dwarf caster as a recruit.   Yeah some may have not helped her reach the Circle of Magi but then she won't be available for those who didn't... which would just increase the gameplay for DragonAge as a whole.  Maybe the a Werewolf recruit...

Does anyone know if the gold is being transfered?   I wouldn't think so since trap glitch is still there.

Modifié par RederickEQ, 06 février 2010 - 05:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dwarves can't be mages.

[Herr Uhl]

It would be completely against the lore, and kind of weak, so no.



As a camp follower or her making an appearance, I'm completely for.

[JasonPogo]

Yeah I love Dagna and would like to have her along but the whole point of her quest is that she can't be a mage.

[Wishpig]

Herr Uhl wrote...

As a camp follower or her making an appearance, I'm completely for.

Ya it would be cool if she was a merchant or something that sold you magic goods.

[beelzeybob]

Well, Tevinter Imperium seems to be the place to go for cures to everything. Wynne goes there to regain her mortality, Shale goes there to become human again, and Fiona is helped by tevinter mages to be free of the taint. Who knows.. they may have a solution for Dagna even.

[Ponce de Leon]

As a mage, nah, as a scholar, of course.

I loved her character. Also, she's kind of cute for a dwarf.

[The Real Fletch Fletcher]

Lol, magician.

[Taxonomical]

I see her as a librarian or historian for the Tower of Magi. She would know more than anyone there and probably chatter constantly about Magic lore, law, and lessons.



...and I'd love every minute of it. She has such a cute voice.

[Arbiter Libera]

Definitely an appearance at least... that is, if she ever made it to CoM.

[Menaduke]

Definitely not part of my party or any appearance, unless.. she's a dangerous apostate, specifically a maleficar.

[Graspiloot]

Not possible really, dwarves have no connection to the fade, how the hell would you be able to "fix" that.



Would be kind of weak really.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Why I would want an annoying mage wannabe dwarfen child at my party camp is beyond me.

[Ponce de Leon]

You wouldn't have a party camp, you have a gigantic keep, WITH a library, so why not?

[Highdragonslayer]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Dwarves can't be mages.

jews can't paladins.


Lol south park

[Giant ambush beetle]

@ Dark-Lauron: 

Because shes a.............

annoying mage wannabe dwarfen child

Modifié par The Woldan , 06 février 2010 - 10:37 .

[beelzeybob]

DwarVen!

[RangerSG]

Dwarves cannot access the Fade, thus they cannot do magic. So this is so anti-lore as to be ludicrous.



I'd like to see her as a character, perhaps. Maybe a merchant or a researcher on something you need in the game. But a mage? Absolutely not.

[Ponce de Leon]

Well, I may be wrong, but a dwarf PC MUST go through the fade, one way or another... so wouldn't this mean that strictly speaking in a magic way, it would be possible to make an artificial connection? I am not sure though.

Also, Genlock, that should be dwarven darkspawn, have their emissaries. This never made sense to me...

[Allison W]

There are unnatural connections made between dwarves and the Fade in the original campaign, so it's theoretically possible.

Also notice that two of the warrior specializations, the Templar and the Reaver, both use specific, simplified magical abilities--Alistair even says that Templar abilities are magic. Even dwarves can use these specializations and their magical abilities. This doesn't so much suggest as prove that beings without magical talent can still learn limited magical abilities. For all we know, Dagna might end up studying and expanding such a thing--though I suppose it's unlikely, given that the current powers that know how to teach a non-mage magical abilities apparently want to keep a tight lid on this knowledge (except for the part where you can get a Templar manual at your local K-Mart; I suppose Dagna could always begin with that).

I'm reminded of the old Phantasy Star series, in which magic is usable only by people with inborn talent in the first game, but the mage in that same first game goes on to invent simplified magical abilities which can be used without inborn talents, which are commonplace in the second and fourth games in the series.

...Ahem. In any case, it's theoretically possible that perhaps Dagna could find a way to forge a connection with the Fade in the Imperium, thus making a dwarven mage, but what would actually be more interesting is if she were a rogue or warrior with brand-new specializations focusing on simplified magical abilities, a la the Templar or Reaver, but moreso. Of course, she probably won't return anyway, so this is almost certainly moot.

Modifié par Allison W, 07 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[RangerSG]

dark-lauron wrote...

Well, I may be wrong, but a dwarf PC MUST go through the fade, one way or another... so wouldn't this mean that strictly speaking in a magic way, it would be possible to make an artificial connection? I am not sure though.
Also, Genlock, that should be dwarven darkspawn, have their emissaries. This never made sense to me...

The distinction here is that a dwarf can be forced into the Fade. But they do not go into the Fade on their own, ever. The Demon can draw a dwarf into its own realm. But the dwarf cannot enter it on their own in any way.

So actually, the way to phrase this is: A Dwarven mage is utterly impossible, since that necessitates the ability to manifest one's will and be awake in the Fade. A Dwarven abomination is theoretically possible, since a demon can possess them if they were drawn into the Fade or could (theoretically) be placed inside a Dwarf.

Of course, if Dagna were made such, her life would be ended about 30secs later.

[Allison W]

RangerSG wrote...

dark-lauron wrote...

Well, I may be wrong, but a dwarf PC MUST go through the fade, one way or another... so wouldn't this mean that strictly speaking in a magic way, it would be possible to make an artificial connection? I am not sure though.
Also, Genlock, that should be dwarven darkspawn, have their emissaries. This never made sense to me...

The distinction here is that a dwarf can be forced into the Fade. But they do not go into the Fade on their own, ever. The Demon can draw a dwarf into its own realm. But the dwarf cannot enter it on their own in any way.

So actually, the way to phrase this is: A Dwarven mage is utterly impossible, since that necessitates the ability to manifest one's will and be awake in the Fade. A Dwarven abomination is theoretically possible, since a demon can possess them if they were drawn into the Fade or could (theoretically) be placed inside a Dwarf.

Of course, if Dagna were made such, her life would be ended about 30secs later.

If I remember correctly, the primary difference between demons and benevolent fade spirits is largely disposition and not so much what kind of powers they have--and there is indeed an "abomination" of sorts, albeit not one who has been transformed, in the original campaign who is possessed by a benevolent spirit. If Dagna were to bond with a benevolent spirit capable of drawing her into the Fade, that might actually do it.

Of course, that's a fairly unlikely thing to have happen to her, and I do still believe that expanding upon the phenomenon of non-mages being able to use certain forms of magic is much more interesting. A warrior or rogue Dagna with specializations oriented towards simplified magic would, as I've said before, be more likely and carry much more significance for the rest of the world (one dwarf becoming a mage due to possession by a spirit would be an interesting proof-of-concept lorewise, but definitely an isolated incident; the proliferation of simplified magic usable by non-mages could change the world). You do, in fact, understand it would be Awesome.

Modifié par Allison W, 07 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[RangerSG]

Allison W wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

dark-lauron wrote...

Well, I may be wrong, but a dwarf PC MUST go through the fade, one way or another... so wouldn't this mean that strictly speaking in a magic way, it would be possible to make an artificial connection? I am not sure though.
Also, Genlock, that should be dwarven darkspawn, have their emissaries. This never made sense to me...

The distinction here is that a dwarf can be forced into the Fade. But they do not go into the Fade on their own, ever. The Demon can draw a dwarf into its own realm. But the dwarf cannot enter it on their own in any way.

So actually, the way to phrase this is: A Dwarven mage is utterly impossible, since that necessitates the ability to manifest one's will and be awake in the Fade. A Dwarven abomination is theoretically possible, since a demon can possess them if they were drawn into the Fade or could (theoretically) be placed inside a Dwarf.

Of course, if Dagna were made such, her life would be ended about 30secs later.

If I remember correctly, the primary difference between demons and benevolent fade spirits is largely disposition and not so much what kind of powers they have--and there is indeed an "abomination" of sorts, albeit not one who has been transformed, in the original campaign who is possessed by a benevolent spirit. If Dagna were to bond with a benevolent spirit capable of drawing her into the Fade, that might actually do it.

Of course, that's a fairly unlikely thing to have happen to her, and I do still believe that expanding upon the phenomenon of non-mages being able to use certain forms of magic is much more interesting. A warrior or rogue Dagna with specializations oriented towards simplified magic would, as I've said before, be more likely and carry much more significance for the rest of the world (one dwarf becoming a mage due to possession by a spirit would be an interesting proof-of-concept lorewise, but definitely an isolated incident; the proliferation of simplified magic usable by non-mages could change the world). You do, in fact, understand it would be Awesome.

Yes, but here we would note that benevolent spirts do not attempt to draw others into the Fade or compel them from within the Fade. That is an action that is characteristic of "Demons" alone. Wynne is not an abomination precisely because she still retains her humanity. But anything that would "force" a dwarf into the Fade would be malevolent by nature. The end result, at best, would be something like Flemeth.