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[IceTitan]

 The forming an army bit, I think is what ME1 and ME 2 does, your actions in both, determines how the races will react. While your also delaying the reapers in both game.

Pretty sure ME3 will be the culmination of both games, while this time your fully concentrating on finding ways of stopping them. Your choices in the first 2 determining, how fast or slowly the galaxy will fall to the reapers as you do this. And also affecting the galaxy as a whole if the reapers get defeated.

So based on the paragon/renegade choices made in both games, you get set races on your side, it's then just a question of how to deal with the reapers, finding out the truth about them, learning more about the cycle and such.
Being hunted down by reaper allies/indoctrinated while doing this.

But I get the impression that no matter how well it goes, it won't be the fairy tale type ending. And the mass driver weapon that took out the reaper... could of been their creators if it's millions of years old and the reaper cycle is 50k years. And that the being of light could be one of the original reapers, and it's by finding this reaper that you learn how to stop them. 

At worst the Dark Energy could be signs of another threat, that happens as the Reapers arrive, and there's a three way slug fest that you could have a serious effect on it's outcome. More than obviously would just be milky way vs Reapers, but I kind of like the idea of the being of light, being another ancient race that the reapers have been fighting since their beginning. And using the citadel the reapers had found a way to bypass and avoid facing them, giving them the ability to gain strength over their cycles. Using the races they harvest as soldiers and such, like they did with the protheans.

And by doing what you did with the citadel and the collectors, forces them to face it, and your stuck in the middle taking alot of damage from both sides as they slug it out. But more than likely it's just wishful thinking lol.

Modifié par IceTitan, 11 février 2010 - 08:06 .

[notphrog]

Only if they don't send husks. Rifles don't hurt husks enough. You need shotguns and explosives.

[Craig McDermott]

You guys are over-analyzing it. The reapers will be defeated by deus ex machina. Shepard will find a super weapon, or somehow hack/kill the lead reaper causing all other reapers to die, or some such crap.

[Dark Specie]

IceTitan wrote...
At worst the Dark Energy could be signs of another threat, that happens as the Reapers arrive, and there's a three way slug fest that you could have a serious effect on it's outcome. More than obviously would just be milky way vs Reapers, but I kind of like the idea of the being of light, being another ancient race that the reapers have been fighting since their beginning. And using the citadel the reapers had found a way to bypass and avoid facing them, giving them the ability to gain strength over their cycles. Using the races they harvest as soldiers and such, like they did with the protheans.

And by doing what you did with the citadel and the collectors, forces them to face it, and your stuck in the middle taking alot of damage from both sides as they slug it out. But more than likely it's just wishful thinking lol.

Huh... I'm not sure I'm positive to this - either, your idea would imply that the Reapers may in the end just be a kind of Lordgenome (http://en.wikipedia....ters#Lordgenome), basically harvesting the people of the universe in order to save them. Or that they're basically the Mass Effect version of Babylon 5's  The Shadows, in a manner of speaking (with those "others" being Mass Effect's versions of the Vorlons )...

[elemental150]

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE REAPERS ARE NETWORKED TO EACH OTHER LIKE THE GETH SO A VIRUS THAT AFFECTS ONE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT THE OTHERS, THAT THEORY IS USELESS AND ANNOYING

[Craig McDermott]

elemental150 wrote...

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE REAPERS ARE NETWORKED TO EACH OTHER LIKE THE GETH SO A VIRUS THAT AFFECTS ONE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT THE OTHERS, THAT THEORY IS USELESS AND ANNOYING

Bioware could just make up this plot point at any time.  There doesn't need to be evidence.

[Kr0gan]

Call the beings of light that some billionaire volus saw in his dreams and he keeps digging in some forgotten planet. This is from a description of a planet in ME1 but i don't remember wich one.

[elemental150]

Craig McDermott wrote...

elemental150 wrote...

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE REAPERS ARE NETWORKED TO EACH OTHER LIKE THE GETH SO A VIRUS THAT AFFECTS ONE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY AFFECT THE OTHERS, THAT THEORY IS USELESS AND ANNOYING

Bioware could just make up this plot point at any time.  There doesn't need to be evidence.

yeah but if anything there is evidence to the contrary.  It would have to be explained extremely well.  Legion says that sovereign was a ton of different AI self contained wiht in one unit.  Soveriegn said that each reaper is a nation, independent and perfect in itself......there is evidence that they are seperat beings (e.g. no networked thinking, no hub, no "central core", no anyhting like that)  the only thing you can assume with safety is that as machines they can commuicate digitally, but that doesn't mean there is a pathway to download a virus to all of them.....

I think it is safe to stoping thinking of anything the reapers do in terms of modren day computers and machines and start getting scared......

[Garuda One]

Here you guys go, http://social.biowar...index/1142168/1

[sedrikhcain]

notphrog wrote...

It all still sounds like deus ex machina to me. Sorry.

I think Ashely had it right in the first one. The comment about being infantry and rifles not being good against reapers or something.

What's your definition of deus ex machina?

[sedrikhcain]

Lurker 2277 wrote...

I think it will have you traversing the galaxy for allies such as the rachni, Krogan, geth, and other new species. along the way you will try to bring the batarians and humans to understanding (and the terrorist leader from BDtS making an impact based on your choice of how to deal with him.) 

show the council the reapers really do exist. maybe Aria will help out.

If they do this, which I think is a real possibility, I think one of the ways to make it fresh would be to have different members of your team leading missions in those worlds, either on their own or with Shepard as a squad mate. Otherwise it could feel a lot like a repeat of the recruitment/loyalty missions of ME2.

[IbramSkyheart]

sedrikhcain wrote...

Lurker 2277 wrote...

I think it will have you traversing the galaxy for allies such as the rachni, Krogan, geth, and other new species. along the way you will try to bring the batarians and humans to understanding (and the terrorist leader from BDtS making an impact based on your choice of how to deal with him.) 

show the council the reapers really do exist. maybe Aria will help out.

If they do this, which I think is a real possibility, I think one of the ways to make it fresh would be to have different members of your team leading missions in those worlds, either on their own or with Shepard as a squad mate. Otherwise it could feel a lot like a repeat of the recruitment/loyalty missions of ME2.

That'd be cool... kind of like picking members of your teams in the suicide mission.  The only problem with that theory is that over the space of the two games, you only have Ash, Garrus, Wrex (who I think would be on his own anyway with the Krogan) and Miranda who would be well suited to leading missions of that type.

[Purebrawn]

I've got a buddy that writes for Bioware, he specifically told me that the Reapers will be defeated by Randy Quaid flying an F-18 into their primary weapon just before they incinerate Earth.

[selvacin]

JobacNoor wrote...

I'm predicting that the main plot in ME3 will be centered around uniting the various races and factions in the galaxy into one giant fleet, while simultaneously chasing leads on some superweapon that could destroy the Reapers.
The endgame would then have the obligatory ridiculously massive and awesome space battle as the united fleet of all the races distract/hold off the Reapers long enough for Shepard's ground team to set off the superweapon. Blowing up a sun would be quite an epic way to kill the bastards.

I agree here its going to have almost a dragonage origins thype plot, where you go from main race to main race convincing them to join the cause. I also think that the game is going to take place several YEARS after the events of ME2, giving the possibility of Wrex finishing his uniting of the krogan/semi curing the genophage. Giving room for squadmates like mordin to help with this (if your paragon in ME2 with those choices). And showing in other events like how you delt with the tali/legion arguement or if you sold him off. OR killed the rachni queen, as she "delivers" a message in illium saying we will help ya out when were needed basicly, its gonna have a ME2 type ending where your choices effect how much help you actually get and how devoted they are. But you still gonna be doing alot more convincing in me3 then i think. 

Ans i really wanna see a Elcor warship, or an elcor walking around with a cannon on his back, like is described in the codex entry. 

[Lucazius]

The Volus BIOTIC GOD will ride a Tresher Maw into the reaper's mothership and sacrifice himself for the greater good.

[Infinity898989]

I think we may be revealed to the truth of Reapers just being tools of the race that created them. How one reaper controlled the Collectors, one of these true threats may be flipping the switch. Telling the Reapers to go wipe out everyone that may be a threat. I find this viable, with the last minute revelation of the collectors being controlled by Harbinger, to add in the fact most of the Reapers look like hands... maybe right hands. This could all be some plan for them to stay on top, while the Reapers do the dirty work.

[akseltestdrive4]

Interesting stuff.I don't know have a theory yet on how they will be destroyed. But perhaps their destruction will bring about an end to mass effect technology? If you listen to Legion, he talks about how providing the Mass Relays and the Citadel makes species evolve along certain paths. Perhaps Shepard will be the one breaking the cycle?



But really, it's hard to think of how one man could affect the outcome of a fight with a race that has become accustomed to destroyed civilzation. Oh wait, unless he was Neo.

[i7206]

This will NOT end with an epic space battle. This is a squad based shooter. Inevitably, the last mission will involve Shepherd and his/her teammates fighting their way to the core of something, most likely to make said thing go boom.



And I reckon Shepherd will die. It would be the best way to cap the trilogy.

[davetheboy]

The problem with ME3 ending is that Bioware made the Reapers too powerful to be simply defeated by races that we know about. Sovereign decimated both Alliance and Citadel fleets. Obviously he had help in form of Geth Heretics, but his 1-shot-to-kill guns simply tore through every ship. Now imagine that there are 100 Reapers. Their firepower would easily overwhelm any defenses Alliance/Citadel/Rachni/whatever would mount.



A head-to-head battle would inevitably end with Reapers being the victors. Using a virus to destroy their fleet would be silly, as Legion stated that the Reapers aren't connected like the Geth. Appearance of another super-advanced race which would destroy the Reapers is possible, but highly unlikely - why would they appear now? That would be too much of a coincidence. Honestly, I wonder what will Bioware do in order to explain possible defeat of our nemesis, and make it believeable at that.

[sedrikhcain]

IbramSkyheart wrote...

sedrikhcain wrote...

Lurker 2277 wrote...

I think it will have you traversing the galaxy for allies such as the rachni, Krogan, geth, and other new species. along the way you will try to bring the batarians and humans to understanding (and the terrorist leader from BDtS making an impact based on your choice of how to deal with him.) 

show the council the reapers really do exist. maybe Aria will help out.

If they do this, which I think is a real possibility, I think one of the ways to make it fresh would be to have different members of your team leading missions in those worlds, either on their own or with Shepard as a squad mate. Otherwise it could feel a lot like a repeat of the recruitment/loyalty missions of ME2.

That'd be cool... kind of like picking members of your teams in the suicide mission.  The only problem with that theory is that over the space of the two games, you only have Ash, Garrus, Wrex (who I think would be on his own anyway with the Krogan) and Miranda who would be well suited to leading missions of that type.

I don't know that it would have to be limited to those guys. Just because you're in the squad doesn't mean you have to be the best soldier in the squad. You'd be primarily the ambassador. For example, Liara rallies the Asari commandos to fight in the cause, then you (as Liara) join shepard, whoever else, and bunch of Asari commando minor npcs in an epic battle against collectors and one reaper. Or some such.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

davetheboy wrote...

The problem with ME3 ending is that Bioware made the Reapers too powerful to be simply defeated by races that we know about. Sovereign decimated both Alliance and Citadel fleets. Obviously he had help in form of Geth Heretics, but his 1-shot-to-kill guns simply tore through every ship. Now imagine that there are 100 Reapers. Their firepower would easily overwhelm any defenses Alliance/Citadel/Rachni/whatever would mount.

A head-to-head battle would inevitably end with Reapers being the victors. Using a virus to destroy their fleet would be silly, as Legion stated that the Reapers aren't connected like the Geth. Appearance of another super-advanced race which would destroy the Reapers is possible, but highly unlikely - why would they appear now? That would be too much of a coincidence. Honestly, I wonder what will Bioware do in order to explain possible defeat of our nemesis, and make it believeable at that.

I just hope you haven't forgotten about Thanix Cannon (read about it in the game). It's based on Sovereign main weapon only it's using energy and Sovereign didnt need energy to shoot.  Little fighters can be equipped with that so little ships with a power of a cruiser, etc...
The shields are obviously weak, but we'll see in ME3 what BioWare has got for us.

[joejoe099]

Purebrawn wrote...

I've got a buddy that writes for Bioware, he specifically told me that the Reapers will be defeated by Randy Quaid flying an F-18 into their primary weapon just before they incinerate Earth.

WRONG! chuck noris, armed iwth a BB gun, and Mister T with mowhawk gernades, ride of chuck's magic beard of awesome and combined, they form master chief, who pukes nukes into the reapers. THAT IS HOW ITLL END

[Fluwm]

I want it to be a war that CANNOT be won. Ever. No matter what. Because that's what the war seems to be, and defeating the Reapers would seem like a major cop-out.



I hope this is the case, as B5 was like that with the Shadow war, and ME borrows almost everything from the Babylon 5 universe. I've always found the idea that a war can end with "understanding" was one of the most mature approaches.



I find it far preferable to the jingoistic bull**** that's so prevalent everywhere else.

[Ulicus]

In answer to the thread question:

That's how.

Give BioWare an excuse to make an environment bigger on the inside, to boot.

[Evil_Sarevok]

You watch, low tech beats high tech, someone installs an early version of windows and unleashes a D-DOS attack, crashing and forcing the reapers to reset and forget what they were doing.