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[NickeeCoco]

hbk0 wrote...

I don't mind sex in video games. But I DO have problem with poorly executed and pretentious so-called "sex" in video game, for which bioware's games come to mind.

As much as they labeled those "romance", but it's hardly romance considering all what you have to do is just talk to someone with some flirtatious words and then they mutually agree or imply they will have sex together. Rather than actual romance as in real life, the "romance" presented in Bioware games are more like horny teen meets ****s, which lacks of true emotion involvement.

As for that kinda "romance" or "sex", they are just doing it for the sake of it and for the trend, which I genuinely despise. The self-censoring EA and Bioware are great examples for that.

Well, it's not like that with the female Shephard love interests at all.  In ME1 you had to go very slowly with Kaidan.  In ME2 you have to go very, very slowly with Jacob and with Thane I think it's very romantic.  They even discuss future vacation plans.  I haven't tried Garrus yet.  There was no horny teen in those plot threads.

[Shadeling]

NickeeCoco wrote...

Well, it's not like that with the female Shephard love interests at all.  In ME1 you had to go very slowly with Kaidan.  In ME2 you have to go very, very slowly with Jacob and with Thane I think it's very romantic.  They even discuss future vacation plans.  I haven't tried Garrus yet.  There was no horny teen in those plot threads.

You had to go slowly? How do you define slowly? 

I've been replaying a new char in ME1 for ME2 and I can say without a doubt, that it hasn't been slow with Kaiden at all. And there were surprising interactions along the way, something that did not happen in ME2 when paired up with Thane. 

Since there are no spoilers allowed in this forum, I can't go into details so I'll just leave it at, I don't agree.

[Booster008]

I would take your argument seriously if you actually knew how to spell.

oh, and more sex in video games, please.

[1Parmenides]

Who cares? I'm going to play ME3 whether there is sex or not.

[NickeeCoco]

Shadeling wrote...

NickeeCoco wrote...

Well, it's not like that with the female Shephard love interests at all.  In ME1 you had to go very slowly with Kaidan.  In ME2 you have to go very, very slowly with Jacob and with Thane I think it's very romantic.  They even discuss future vacation plans.  I haven't tried Garrus yet.  There was no horny teen in those plot threads.

You had to go slowly? How do you define slowly? 

I've been replaying a new char in ME1 for ME2 and I can say without a doubt, that it hasn't been slow with Kaiden at all. And there were surprising interactions along the way, something that did not happen in ME2 when paired up with Thane. 

Since there are no spoilers allowed in this forum, I can't go into details so I'll just leave it at, I don't agree.

I meant slowly for a video game.  I mean, the game isn't that long.  You can't have real time relationships in a game where the main mission can be finished in under twenty hours.  You can't have a three month warm up period.  And what I mean by slowly, is that they generally don't commit to anything until near the end of the main mission.  It's not like they say, five minutes after meeting each other, "Hey!  Let's jump between the sheets!"  You actually have to complete a bunch of missions. 

Also, remember it's game time.  Yeah, they have FTL flight, but it still takes time to get from point A to point B.  There's days, maybe even weeks going on that we, as players, don't actually see.  We just immediatly zoom around.

[Shadeling]

NickeeCoco wrote...

Shadeling wrote...

NickeeCoco wrote...

Well, it's not like that with the female Shephard love interests at all.  In ME1 you had to go very slowly with Kaidan.  In ME2 you have to go very, very slowly with Jacob and with Thane I think it's very romantic.  They even discuss future vacation plans.  I haven't tried Garrus yet.  There was no horny teen in those plot threads.

You had to go slowly? How do you define slowly? 

I've been replaying a new char in ME1 for ME2 and I can say without a doubt, that it hasn't been slow with Kaiden at all. And there were surprising interactions along the way, something that did not happen in ME2 when paired up with Thane. 

Since there are no spoilers allowed in this forum, I can't go into details so I'll just leave it at, I don't agree.

I meant slowly for a video game.  I mean, the game isn't that long.  You can't have real time relationships in a game where the main mission can be finished in under twenty hours.  You can't have a three month warm up period.  And what I mean by slowly, is that they generally don't commit to anything until near the end of the main mission.  It's not like they say, five minutes after meeting each other, "Hey!  Let's jump between the sheets!"  You actually have to complete a bunch of missions. 

Also, remember it's game time.  Yeah, they have FTL flight, but it still takes time to get from point A to point B.  There's days, maybe even weeks going on that we, as players, don't actually see.  We just immediatly zoom around.

Well, since it's a game, of course I was thinking in 'game terms', not 'real time terms'. I just started a new game in ME1 last night, after not playing it for more than a year and yet, even before the first main plot location was visited (after the tutorial), the romance was firmly in motion. It wasn't slowly at all. So that's why I asked. I was curious what your opinion of what 'very slow' was.

[hbk0]

NickeeCoco wrote...

I meant slowly for a video game.  I mean, the game isn't that long.  You can't have real time relationships in a game where the main mission can be finished in under twenty hours.  You can't have a three month warm up period.  And what I mean by slowly, is that they generally don't commit to anything until near the end of the main mission.  It's not like they say, five minutes after meeting each other, "Hey!  Let's jump between the sheets!"  You actually have to complete a bunch of missions. 

Also, remember it's game time.  Yeah, they have FTL flight, but it still takes time to get from point A to point B.  There's days, maybe even weeks going on that we, as players, don't actually see.  We just immediatly zoom around.

Well, I don't get the slow feeling when I just punched through the conversation just in like 5 miniutes in the game. By that, I mean literally 5 minutes in the game world.
Have you tried to continue romance after you beat the game?
I romanced Miranda along the course. After I beat the game, I told her off and started flirting with Tali, just through one conversation, I romanced Tali. After I romanced Tali, I did the same thing to Jack. So basically I romanced 2 women in 10 minutes in the game time. I didn't go anywhere or do any mission during that and that totally happened on Normandy in one go.
Even for the regular romance like how I romanced Miranda, basically you get to romance her through 2 or 3 conversation and that's it. Even if it takes a while in game time, there's nothing happening between the conversations, not to mention how their love can develop.
That's what I meant in my last post, there's no real emotion engagement in romance in the game. It's just some verbal agreement with the characters to have sex.

[Tikkidew]

This a really interesting argument. I've always wondered why images of death and dismemberment, torture and murder with gallons of blood splatters everywhere is perfectly fine. But god forbid someone sees a naked breast! Noooo!! The children will be screwed up for life. Quick, turn on CSI: Miami .. whew.

The only reliable and appropriate source of breast visuals should be "National Geographic" magazine's "Primitive tribe" addition.

[Shadeling]

Tikkidew wrote...

This a really interesting argument. I've always wondered why images of death and dismemberment, torture and murder with gallons of blood splatters everywhere is perfectly fine. But god forbid someone sees a naked breast! Noooo!! The children will be screwed up for life. Quick, turn on CSI: Miami .. whew.
The only reliable and appropriate source of breast visuals should be "National Geographic" magazine's "Primitive tribe" addition.

I always wondered that too.

[hbk0]

Tikkidew wrote...

This a really interesting argument. I've always wondered why images of death and dismemberment, torture and murder with gallons of blood splatters everywhere is perfectly fine. But god forbid someone sees a naked breast! Noooo!! The children will be screwed up for life. Quick, turn on CSI: Miami .. whew.
The only reliable and appropriate source of breast visuals should be "National Geographic" magazine's "Primitive tribe" addition.

I think it's ultimately related to feminism, the status of women in society and sexual orientation in the mondern society. One one hand, some people are advacating librate women's breasts, but on the other hand, this male dominated society seems breasts as some sexual symbolism. In my opinion, as long as this society is still male dominated( intentionally or naturally), female sexual symbol will always be the social taboo.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

hbk0 wrote...

Tikkidew wrote...

This a really interesting argument. I've always wondered why images of death and dismemberment, torture and murder with gallons of blood splatters everywhere is perfectly fine. But god forbid someone sees a naked breast! Noooo!! The children will be screwed up for life. Quick, turn on CSI: Miami .. whew.
The only reliable and appropriate source of breast visuals should be "National Geographic" magazine's "Primitive tribe" addition.

I think it's ultimately related to feminism, the status of women in society and sexual orientation in the mondern society. One one hand, some people are advacating librate women's breasts, but on the other hand, this male dominated society seems breasts as some sexual symbolism. In my opinion, as long as this society is still male dominated( intentionally or naturally), female sexual symbol will always be the social taboo.

The feminine  is actually less of a taboo in my opinion. For example in ME1 it was not an issue for Bioware to allow FemShepard to romance Liara (who by all appearances is a woman) and that isn't what the media freaked out about. They freaked out about what was "said" about that game, not what was really shown. They were told full nudity and sex was shown, which it wasn't. I never saw mention of complaints of the woman/woman romance, but, if two men are to be together all hell breaks loose in the media! Especially if it isn't stereotypically campy as so too many people are used to with movies. If I see another super-femine gay male on tv/game/media it will be too damn soon. Ugh. When it comes to THAT issue, most people complain that Shepard can't be that way because he is not femine (well, same could be argued for Female Shepard because she is not Butch).

But I digress.

[roundzero gun]

Well if i make a game company i say this to the new and pubic **** you i can do what the **** i want so screw you its my game thats why they have ratings and th things in the game on the box.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

In Mass Effect 2, you don't see a merc's skull splitting open and spraying brains out when you get a headshot. You also don't see porn when you romance a character. Both violence and sexuality are in the game, but not to the point where it's just for the spectacle. Just go watch some porn, you're already on the internet.

[pedal2metal]

I'm sorry but ME/ME2 is just fine as-is. I fail to see how a penis, vagina, or breast is going to enhance the story-telling experience. Fortunately, Bioware apparently agrees.



best regards,

Pedal2Metal

[pedal2metal]

roundzero gun wrote...

Well if i make a game company i say this to the new and pubic **** you i can do what the **** i want so screw you its my game thats why they have ratings and th things in the game on the box.

No, your game company would go out-of-business if it even ever got off the ground.
Normally when things are about "spectacle" (aptly put by earlier poster), the actual substantive stuff (plot, story, characters, themes, etc....) tend to drop by the wayside.  That's the reason no porn movie ever wins any awards.  They all suck because they are just about skin.  Sorry man but that's just boring & stupid.

So go have your game company, it will be an utter failure.  Guaranteed.

[StinkySQL]

Uhhh, I'm sorry. Was there sex? I though Kelly came to feed the fish.

[Drakron]

NickeeCoco wrote...

I meant slowly for a video game.  I mean, the game isn't that long.

Maybe the issue is the game is not that long, BG2 had romances and they were long ... heck even intregated into the main storyline (Bodhi kidnapping and turning him/her into a vampire, the reaction when the Bhallspawn turns into Slayer form the first time).

Even KotOR had long romances, one that was even was removed from the part before the end but Carth and Bastila were pretty much in the game from the start.

Now lets see ME, the ones that are from the start are Mirand and Jacob as Garrus and Jack come earlier but they are wave 1 recruitment and Tali and Thane come up late.

That is the problem ... timing, even if Liara could join the crew later in ME1 she was the only recruitable character post-Citadel, the moment we realized that we made a beeline for Therum and still had plently of time to get to know her in and out of missions but in ME2 the same does not apply to Tali and Thane that come quite late.

So what happens is a speedy romance, even worst is Legion/Tali interactions that due to how the IFF mission is done we have to put Tali loyalty mission on hold until after the IFF mission.

[roundzero gun]

Its not about porn you RETARDED DUMB PEOPLE DO YOU READ its about in the first one there nude second there not i don't care but some realism would be nice i mean people dont have sex with there pants and underwear on they just don't its about realism.I would not mind if they were naked under bed covers its would have realism thats all i want.

[1Parmenides]

I care that developers put more hours of labor into making the combat realistic, instead of hours into making sure the bed scenes are realistic.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

What everybody's got to realize for everybody on here who's show Showtime like sex scenes. At age 22 or my age 24 male I'd be fine with that.But older generations are dictating what is acceptable in society from generations that would find it sick to have showtime like content in a game.Not to mention trying to get an M-rating and not having to edit to please the ESRB into getting an M-rating instead of A-rating.



GOW/Dante's Inferno seems to be pushing what can be shown and still get an m-rating.But in the end it will come down to whether bioware or a game developer feels it's worth the time and effort to help sell a game.,

[sos986]

if a love scene stops a 14 year old from enjoying a good game then its a bad choice. romance in this game is retarded, and its not much better in the first. i can talk badly about cerebus througout the whole game and when i ask their highest operative if she wants to jump into bed with me shes like ok thats cool, let me change into my bra and you guys have a problem that shes wearing a bra?

[NickeeCoco]

Drakron wrote...
 due to how the IFF mission is done we have to put Tali loyalty mission on hold until after the IFF mission.

That's not true.  There's no spoilers in this thread so I'll leave it at that.

Also, I did loads of side quests between missions, so, for me. there was a significant time period between everything.  Ultimately, I think it's up to the player in what kind of game experience they have.  If you take your time and go about side quests and loyalty quests between main missions it's a slow romance.  It also depends on your dialogue choices.  Whether you choose to have a sexcapade or a romance is your business.  I, personally, went slowly with everything.  I played the game, went down only one romance route, got every one but five achievements and did every side quests and I put in 44 hours into the game.  It's doesn't have to be fast like everyone is saying it is.

Modifié par NickeeCoco, 07 février 2010 - 03:32 .

[Homebound]

KBlaut wrote...

You are completely right but unfortunately, there are people who exist who get really offended by a breast, vagina or penis that even the thought of one sends them into a fury.

Im just glad to see people who understand this concept.  Maybe theres more of us out there, but we just dont make as much noise as the people who dont get it.

[MetallicaAssassin]

Parents confuse me when it comes to this topic...according to surveys parents care more about sexual content than they do violent content. How does that make sense? Sense when was having sex worse than murder?



My personal opinion is that this is America...we have freedoms. Sex is a beautiful thing and it adds to the romance in this video game.



It's the parents fault...they need to keep anything they don't want their children involved with out of their hands and need to stop blaming the developers. If the child is going behind your back and playing these games against your wishes that's your own damn fault. You should have taught him better.

[LokiHades]

Shepard Smith wrote...

I just think sexuality in America is silly. We
can shoot thousands of people in the head, beat up prostitutes, engage
in generally immoral and socially deviant behavior, but when it comes to
sex, OMFG! Censor! Censor! And in Mass Effect's case, its really more
about taking your relationship to the next level then merely just haveing "casual sex". I like
what modern warfare did with its disclaimer at the beginning of the
game. Maybe consider having something like that in the next mass effect. I think a little sex is harmless compared to...say...
having a shooting spree in an airport full of civillians. Thats just my
opinion though, what do you think?

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Obviously maiming another human being, burning one, shooting one full of holes, freezing one and shattering him, sending one into a black hole, blowing one up, is much, much better morally than the natural process of reproduction, or bringing your relationship to a more intimate phase.