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[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but from a genetic point of view being gay is a coding error. Chemical synapse error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

*headdesk* First I'm female. Second you do realize their have been gay people since the beginning of humanity right?  Its not going away because some 2000 (if its even that old) religion says so.

DNA has been around since the beginning of humanity too...like I said, being gay is hardwired into your genes, and you are the minority. Wasting time and resources to implement (and yes, i watched your little video, one voice segment) it effectively and coherantly across all three games would be a total waste.

Whats also irritating is people feel obligated to side with the "safe" option of coming here and saying that people should have a choice but that's because the world is full of bleeding heart liberals. I'm by no means a homophobe but I don't want it rammed down my throat either. I don't want male members of my crew coming onto me when I'm trying to just get to know my brothers in arms.

[Ettecoud]

"Rammed down my throat"



I see what you did there

[Bryy_Miller]

Orogenic wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...

Also: if they are not "available" to do gay oriented lines, then you simply don't use them.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ettecoud wrote...

"Rammed down my throat"

I see what you did there

Lol, I laughed my ass off when I read this. I didn't even realise the pun until you pointed it out. I was too involved in the debate.

[ReDSH1FT]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but from a genetic point of view being gay is a coding error. Chemical synapse error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

*headdesk* First I'm female. Second you do realize their have been gay people since the beginning of humanity right?  Its not going away because some 2000 (if its even that old) religion says so.

DNA has been around since the beginning of humanity too...like I said, being gay is hardwired into your genes, and you are the minority. Wasting time and resources to implement (and yes, i watched your little video, one voice segment) it effectively and coherantly across all three games would be a total waste.

Whats also irritating is people feel obligated to side with the "safe" option of coming here and saying that people should have a choice but that's because the world is full of bleeding heart liberals. I'm by no means a homophobe but I don't want it rammed down my throat either. I don't want male members of my crew coming onto me when I'm trying to just get to know my brothers in arms.

This is so true.  Because my position isn't aligned with the majority of whiners, I'm the wrong one for noticing a narrative device.

[ReDSH1FT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...

Also: if they are not "available" to do gay oriented lines, then you simply don't use them.

Weren't you leaving?  I see that you flip flop quite often.  Which side of the argument are you on again?

[Creature 1]

Orogenic wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...
Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...

Also Sean Penn, Leonardo DiCaprio, Heath Ledger, Jake Gyllenhaal, Ewan McGregor, and Jim Carrey. 

[Orogenic]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.

Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

People have already linked the same-sex voice options that were considered for inclusion in the game.  The only reason bioware DIDN'T include same-sex romance in their games is because of the RAMPANT homophobia accross the globe.  Here in the U.S. it's just the "christian right" bozos we have to worry about... but remember there are still countries where homosexuality is so taboo that it is a capital offense.


If you recall, ME 1 was not banned because of SEX but because of LESBIAN SEX.

People love to throw around that "homophobic" term. You're the one that needed to reinforce their heterosexuality by talking about your "hot" wife. Hipocracy is bitter, isn't it?

If Bioware didn't include the gay romance options that they created... then that just proves my point once and for all. Honestly, that's pretty much a /thread right there.

Damn.  Orogenic just got destroyed AGAIN.  How much punishment can he and his super model wife take?  Are they Krogan?

Actually, I was pointing this out to demonstrate that I have more right to speak for heterosexuals than you do, because I'm pretty sure you have never HAD a girlfriend.

Actually by your logic, this might make YOU borderline homosexual come to think of it..

When you claim to be the victor while everyone can clearly see you are getting spanked it only makes you look silly : )

[Disassemble]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but from a genetic point of view being gay is a coding error. Chemical synapse error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

*headdesk* First I'm female. Second you do realize their have been gay people since the beginning of humanity right?  Its not going away because some 2000 (if its even that old) religion says so.

DNA has been around since the beginning of humanity too...like I said, being gay is hardwired into your genes, and you are the minority. Wasting time and resources to implement (and yes, i watched your little video, one voice segment) it effectively and coherantly across all three games would be a total waste.

Whats also irritating is people feel obligated to side with the "safe" option of coming here and saying that people should have a choice but that's because the world is full of bleeding heart liberals. I'm by no means a homophobe but I don't want it rammed down my throat either. I don't want male members of my crew coming onto me when I'm trying to just get to know my brothers in arms.

Your gay squadmates want to be brothers in arms, too! Those big, strong, muscley arms of Shepard's. :happy:

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but from a genetic point of view being gay is a coding error. Chemical synapse error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

*headdesk* First I'm female. Second you do realize their have been gay people since the beginning of humanity right?  Its not going away because some 2000 (if its even that old) religion says so.

DNA has been around since the beginning of humanity too...like I said, being gay is hardwired into your genes, and you are the minority. Wasting time and resources to implement (and yes, i watched your little video, one voice segment) it effectively and coherantly across all three games would be a total waste.

Whats also irritating is people feel obligated to side with the "safe" option of coming here and saying that people should have a choice but that's because the world is full of bleeding heart liberals. I'm by no means a homophobe but I don't want it rammed down my throat either. I don't want male members of my crew coming onto me when I'm trying to just get to know my brothers in arms.

*sighs* There was three vids that covered the romance first off all. Second of all the VOs did the same thing for the second game. <_< Third of all we're asking for the option where you have to actively persue them and otherwise would just get friendship dialogue.

(Frankly they should do that with the hetero mances too its annoying to have to reload when your gay Shep starts hitting on someone when you thought you were just being nice).

Look girl, they removed it from the game.

What does that tell you?

It tells you that they wanted Shepard to be hetero.  Not ******.  He's hasn't had any ****** options so far, and should NOT have any later.

[Endurance_117]

Creature 1 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...
Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...

 Heath Ledger

Broke Back Mountain was NOT good

[Bryy_Miller]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...

Also: if they are not "available" to do gay oriented lines, then you simply don't use them.

Weren't you leaving?  I see that you flip flop quite often.  Which side of the argument are you on again?

I did leave for a minute, yes, but how am I flip-flopping? I've always held the same position. Just because I agree that Shepard is straight does not mean that I don't understand how people would play him as gay. 

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but from a genetic point of view being gay is a coding error. Chemical synapse error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

*headdesk* First I'm female. Second you do realize their have been gay people since the beginning of humanity right?  Its not going away because some 2000 (if its even that old) religion says so.

DNA has been around since the beginning of humanity too...like I said, being gay is hardwired into your genes, and you are the minority. Wasting time and resources to implement (and yes, i watched your little video, one voice segment) it effectively and coherantly across all three games would be a total waste.

Whats also irritating is people feel obligated to side with the "safe" option of coming here and saying that people should have a choice but that's because the world is full of bleeding heart liberals. I'm by no means a homophobe but I don't want it rammed down my throat either. I don't want male members of my crew coming onto me when I'm trying to just get to know my brothers in arms.

*sighs* There was three vids that covered the romance first off all. Second of all the VOs did the same thing for the second game. <_< Third of all we're asking for the option where you have to actively persue them and otherwise would just get friendship dialogue.

(Frankly they should do that with the hetero mances too its annoying to have to reload when your gay Shep starts hitting on someone when you thought you were just being nice).

At no time do I want a male member of my crew to make a pass at me. Full stop. We're brothers in arms, not a bunch of gay's tooling around space camping it up. Yes, I know I'm stereotyping, but stereotypes exist for a reason.
It would go as far as to kill the experience for me. I mean you say "actively pursue", but how far? I mean if I'm asking a comrade about his history, his experiences, I don't want him to just start flirting with me.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 06 février 2010 - 11:10 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.

Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

People have already linked the same-sex voice options that were considered for inclusion in the game.  The only reason bioware DIDN'T include same-sex romance in their games is because of the RAMPANT homophobia accross the globe.  Here in the U.S. it's just the "christian right" bozos we have to worry about... but remember there are still countries where homosexuality is so taboo that it is a capital offense.


If you recall, ME 1 was not banned because of SEX but because of LESBIAN SEX.

People love to throw around that "homophobic" term. You're the one that needed to reinforce their heterosexuality by talking about your "hot" wife. Hipocracy is bitter, isn't it?

If Bioware didn't include the gay romance options that they created... then that just proves my point once and for all. Honestly, that's pretty much a /thread right there.

Damn.  Orogenic just got destroyed AGAIN.  How much punishment can he and his super model wife take?  Are they Krogan?

Actually, I was pointing this out to demonstrate that I have more right to speak for heterosexuals than you do, because I'm pretty sure you have never HAD a girlfriend.

Actually by your logic, this might make YOU borderline homosexual come to think of it..

When you claim to be the victor while everyone can clearly see you are getting spanked it only makes you look silly : )

Now I'm thinking that you're a middle schooler with that attack.  MY WIFE IS HOT, YOU PROBABLY NEVER EVEN HAD A GF YOU HOMOPHOBIC IDIOT.

Sounds like a closeted middle schooler diss to me.

Unlike you, I don't have to reinforce my belief in my own heterosexuality.  I'm confident where I am. 

And.

Watch this now, you're about to be owned...

If I never had a girlfriend, I certainly had the dialogue options to romance some girls.  I might just be very mission oriented.  FACE.

[Creature 1]

Endurance_117 wrote...
Broke Back Mountain was NOT good

Haven't seen it, personally.  I think it would annoy me.  Too much unnecessary angst.  But I wasn't making qualitative evaluations of any of these films, just giving more examples of major actors who have played as gay characters and usually benefited their careers. 

[Revid Emit]

Yes, I don't see Male Shepard romancing males at this point, sadly.



Female Shepard, however...

[Bryy_Miller]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

If I never had a girlfriend, I certainly had the dialogue options to romance some girls.  I might just be very mission oriented.  FACE.

People will take you more seriously if you didn't use video game terminology in the context of real life.

[jselene]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Look girl, they removed it from the game.

What does that tell you?

It tells you that they wanted Shepard to be hetero.  Not ******.  He's hasn't had any ****** options so far, and should NOT have any later.

Hate to butt in here, but what it means is that they're willing to include in ME2 what they didn't in ME1.  It also means that they didn't think same-sex romances were 'wrong' for the story, even after the first game was released.  

Also: people would goad you less about girlfriends if you cut the vitriol.  Just a hint. ;D

[JamesMoriarty123]

Also the guy banging on about his hot wife...m8...get real. Are you that insecure? I had to chip in as I think you should stop man, Red has the advantage on you, big style. He hasn't made any spurious childish claims.

"OMG MY WIFE IS SO HOT AND INTELLIGENT!" Why would you feel the need to state that? Lol @ You fella.

[Orogenic]

ReDSH1FT wrote...


Unlike you, I don't have to reinforce my belief in my own heterosexuality.  I'm confident where I am. 

Interesting.. if you are confident where you are,then you should not be so threatened by the prospect of a gay shep then...

You sound a little scared to me TBH.

[ReDSH1FT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

wikkedjoker wrote...

Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...

Also: if they are not "available" to do gay oriented lines, then you simply don't use them.

Weren't you leaving?  I see that you flip flop quite often.  Which side of the argument are you on again?

I did leave for a minute, yes, but how am I flip-flopping? I've always held the same position. Just because I agree that Shepard is straight does not mean that I don't understand how people would play him as gay. 

There's no honest way to play him as a ******.  They are deluding themselves.  It's like me daydreaming in economics that I'm a Tyrannasaur rampaging through the college of business here on campus.

I'm fooling myself, and so are they.

There is no ****** Shepard.  There can't be, and there shouldn't be in ME3, or any other ME's for that matter.  He's straight.

Seriously is it that hard to believe?

[T1l]

Brokeback Shepard. It'll make millions.



"Garrus, we've been through a lot together."



*spits in hand*



*queue 'romantic' music*

[Bryy_Miller]

Again, this thread is ridiculous beyond belief.



ME1 = no homosexual relationships with Male Shepard



ME2 = no homosexual relationships with Male Shepard



ME3= "OMG I BETTER START A THREAD ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY IN ME3 AND WHY IT IS BAD"



Red's MAIN ARGUMENT defeats the entire thread.