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[ReDSH1FT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

i know they could do other things, but i would honestly rather not think about instead like i said above eject said ****** squad mate out the airlock.

So you would kill a gay man because he might flirt with you?

Intolerance much?

It would not break the lore or the setting to have a gay male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. Since FemShepard can flirt and have a romance with Kelly in Mass Effect 2 (a gay option), then there is no reason why it couldn't be done in Mass Effect 3 for both genders.

Really?  NO reason at all?

So, Red, do you GET OFF on thinking other people are dumb? Does it make you HAPPY thinking that others are stupider than you?

Your poor attempts at derailing me have failed time and time again.  Keep trying though, I'm sure you'll beat me eventually.

[jpetrey123]

OldMan91 wrote...

It isn't a crime to be intolerant btw...the world isn't a happy shiny place all the time, people DO get pissed off occasionally.

That's really a poor excuse to justify a horrible act.

"Hey, people are killing other people. Let's do the same!"

No one in their right mind, even if they get angry, is going to kill another person. This is the rule, with some exceptions.

so your equating killing someone to disliking how someone is oriented sexually?

someone needs a psychiatrist....

[JamesMoriarty123]

jpetrey123 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

i know they could do other things, but i would honestly rather not think about instead like i said above eject said ****** squad mate out the airlock.

So you would kill a gay man because he might flirt with you?

Intolerance much?

It would not break the lore or the setting to have a gay male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. Since FemShepard can flirt and have a romance with Kelly in Mass Effect 2 (a gay option), then there is no reason why it couldn't be done in Mass Effect 3 for both genders.

It isn't a crime to be intolerant btw...the world isn't a happy shiny place all the time, people DO get pissed off occasionally.

Intolerance is INDEED a crime if it leads to hateful speech or actions.  If you want to be an idiot in your own head feel free...

(help I can't stop posting here..... I swear I'm trying)

Oh it's you again! The OMG HOTZOR WIFE guy. Dude, your opinion is worth less than nothing to me. Intolerance isn't a crime. If I want to hate gays, frenchman, sausages, cheese and bad movies then I will. No one can tell you what to think and what to feel.

(Before I get bashed, let me state I hate all of the above,except cheese )

fix'd hehe

Altering my quote is wrong... You tool.

[Orogenic]

jpetrey123 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

i know they could do other things, but i would honestly rather not think about instead like i said above eject said ****** squad mate out the airlock.

So you would kill a gay man because he might flirt with you?

Intolerance much?

It would not break the lore or the setting to have a gay male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. Since FemShepard can flirt and have a romance with Kelly in Mass Effect 2 (a gay option), then there is no reason why it couldn't be done in Mass Effect 3 for both genders.

It isn't a crime to be intolerant btw...the world isn't a happy shiny place all the time, people DO get pissed off occasionally.

Intolerance is INDEED a crime if it leads to hateful speech or actions.  If you want to be an idiot in your own head feel free...

(help I can't stop posting here..... I swear I'm trying)

nope not a crime. freedom of speech and im not starting any kind of riot. now if they did include the gay ****** **** option if they dont include ejecting him out of the airlock or "accidently" leaving him on a planet i will be quite dissapointed

Actually, interesting you say this...

If someone could prove that you were allowed to kill a character in Mass Effect because of his sexual orientation, then there WOULD be grounds for charges under hate crime legislation.

Here we are getting into the REAL reason Bioware is nervous aboiut this whole issue.... there are a HUGE number of idiots in the world they have to take into consideration.

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

jpetrey123 wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

It isn't a crime to be intolerant btw...the world isn't a happy shiny place all the time, people DO get pissed off occasionally.

That's really a poor excuse to justify a horrible act.

"Hey, people are killing other people. Let's do the same!"

No one in their right mind, even if they get angry, is going to kill another person. This is the rule, with some exceptions.

so your equating killing someone to disliking how someone is oriented sexually?

someone needs a psychiatrist....

Right because throwing someone out of an airlock isn't killing them.

Obviously not?  Ever played a game called ME2?

[jpetrey123]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

jpetrey123 wrote...
he probably hasnt been in biology to learn about genetics yet:P

The existence of the Asari is an offense against evolutionary biology.  Not only are they tetrapods, which could conceivably be acceptable, but they are mammals.  If they have DNA I'll be even more offended.  Unless the devs do some creative footwork with panspermia, but IMO that's a cop-out. 

You presume to think that Asari genetics and DNA (and it's stated that they have DNA) are the same as homosapiens? I think thats a gross error.
There was life before DNA, on planet Earth. Rudimentary sure, but who's to say what evolutionary course the Asari progressed down?

Ryuuuchi, I have no problem with the impementation of an "all-male" race. I just don't think the mass appeal is there. Females are pretty.

phenotypes and what not is taught around the same time as genetics.......i was not implieing that they had DNA like humans

[Bryy_Miller]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

Really? NO reason at all?

No reason at all, nope. Plus there are voice files in the Mass Effect folder, as shown by one of the posters, that reflect the fact that it might have been intended at some point to make MaleShepard gay a possibility. Fortunately there are modders out there who can get this fixed.

You just proved my point, like so many others.

It was REMOVED.

Please contemplate why and comeback when you arrive at the logical conclusion.

I assure you that the devs don't really care if you RP as being a gay male or not. 

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
You presume to think that Asari genetics and DNA (and it's stated that they have DNA) are the same as homosapiens? I think thats a gross error.

Having DNA at all is not going to happen with an independently evolved life form.  If they have DNA, that's a screwup.  Having them look like human females is just ridiculous. 

There was life before DNA, on planet Earth. Rudimentary sure, but who's to say what evolutionary course the Asari progressed down?

You're speaking of the RNA world?  At that point it couldn't really be said to be life.  Life possibly originated using RNA-based genomes, but these were rapidly replaced by DNA, due to its greater stability.  RNA genomes only survive in some viruses. 

The problem is that RNA and DNA are both just two possible options.  There could be many other chemicals that would have worked as well.  It would be naive to think that an alien lifeform will have DNA using GATC.  It's much more likely to use some other duplex, or even come up with an arrangement we haven't even imagined. 

[ReDSH1FT]

I wonder if they finally realized how wrong they are in thinking that Shep could turn ****** in ME3.

[OldMan91]

You just proved my point, like so many others.



It was REMOVED.



Please contemplate why and comeback when you arrive at the logical conclusion.

There is a gay romance for Female Shepard, with Kelly and Liara (if you consider her female). Male Shepard should have a gay romance in Mass Effect 3, completely optional of course. It does not break the lore, canon or setting of Mass Effect. You can choose not to romance any female squadmates. Read this from another poster:

Ok, so let me sum up what I think this argument is about. There is the literal interpretation that the dialogue exactly reflects Shepherd's thoughts (the OP's opinion), and interpretation that Shepherd's actions are what are important to shaping the character (my opinion).



Here's why I have a problem with the "dialogue choices as Shepherd's thoughts angle": If the dialogue choices (not just the romantic ones, but all of them) are his/her direct thoughts he/she would appear to have a mental disorder. There are many times that the paragon vs. renegade dialogue choices are completely at odds. The game does respond, to some extent, to your choices (blue vs. red dialogue options, for example), but often it's just two diametrically opposed options on the same dialogue wheel. I guess you could argue that Shepherd has this internal dialogue going on in his/her head at all times, but it seems fairly extreme for a person without multiple personality disorder.

[JamesMoriarty123]

So killing someone because he's gay and you don't like that is wrong, but killing someone because he won't agree with your demands is right?

Erm..did somone just say murder was ok?



The HOT WIFE guy...m8...all you're gonna get here is redicule. Why don't you go crawl into bed with your girl (read: fleshlight) and settle down eh?

[jpetrey123]

Orogenic wrote...

jpetrey123 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

OldMan91 wrote...

i know they could do other things, but i would honestly rather not think about instead like i said above eject said ****** squad mate out the airlock.

So you would kill a gay man because he might flirt with you?

Intolerance much?

It would not break the lore or the setting to have a gay male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. Since FemShepard can flirt and have a romance with Kelly in Mass Effect 2 (a gay option), then there is no reason why it couldn't be done in Mass Effect 3 for both genders.

It isn't a crime to be intolerant btw...the world isn't a happy shiny place all the time, people DO get pissed off occasionally.

Intolerance is INDEED a crime if it leads to hateful speech or actions.  If you want to be an idiot in your own head feel free...

(help I can't stop posting here..... I swear I'm trying)

nope not a crime. freedom of speech and im not starting any kind of riot. now if they did include the gay ****** **** option if they dont include ejecting him out of the airlock or "accidently" leaving him on a planet i will be quite dissapointed

Actually, interesting you say this...

If someone could prove that you were allowed to kill a character in Mass Effect because of his sexual orientation, then there WOULD be grounds for charges under hate crime legislation.

Here we are getting into the REAL reason Bioware is nervous aboiut this whole issue.... there are a HUGE number of idiots in the world they have to take into consideration.

did i say he was dead? no...he could have a helmet on....and leaving him on a planet would not kill him...

[SethSteiner]

Ehhh yeaaah intolerance IS a crime, if you start hate speeches and so on. Do I like two guys kissing each other? No I don`t. But I respect homosexuals as human beings like they are and don`t start to be an idiot because I am insecure about a possible gay Shepard. That is as same as dumb as being against black Shepards or woman Shepards or asian Shepards or christian Shepards. Because it`s a freakin` CHOICE and no law.

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Ok, so let me sum up what I think this argument is about.  There is the literal interpretation that the dialogue exactly reflects Shepherd's thoughts (the OP's opinion), and interpretation that Shepherd's actions are what are important to shaping the character (my opinion). 

Here's why I have a problem with the "dialogue choices as Shepherd's thoughts angle":  If the dialogue choices (not just the romantic ones, but all of them) are his/her direct thoughts he/she would appear to have a mental disorder.  There are many times that the paragon vs. renegade dialogue choices are completely at odds.  The game does respond, to some extent, to your choices (blue vs. red dialogue options, for example), but often it's just two diametrically opposed options on the same dialogue wheel.  I guess you could argue that Shepherd has this internal dialogue going on in his/her head at all times, but it seems fairly extreme for a person without multiple personality disorder.

So that's why I choose to take the latter interpretation, i.e. Shep's actions are what are important.  I could see why, if you chose to equate Shep's thoughts to the dialogue wheel options, then you might take the opinion of the OP.  I happen to think that there's a problem with interpreting the dialogue wheel literally, but you're entitled to your own interpretation.

Which would explain why somepeople are up in arms about a gay option.

"NO WAY! My Shep is sooo straight that he'd never even think about hitting on another guy!!!"

Which is totally not the case.

Did you intentionally ignore when I completely disassembled that argument?

[jselene]

Please people, stop arguing! You're just making this thread longer. >_<

[Orogenic]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

I wonder if they finally realized how wrong they are in thinking that Shep could turn ****** in ME3.

You have gone from mildly amusing homophobe to irrelevant troll in this post.  Thanks for making a fool of yourself for our amusement though.  Bye now. 

[ReDSH1FT]

SethSteiner wrote...

Ehhh yeaaah intolerance IS a crime, if you start hate speeches and so on. Do I like two guys kissing each other? No I don`t. But I respect homosexuals as human beings like they are and don`t start to be an idiot because I am insecure about a possible gay Shepard. That is as same as dumb as being against black Shepards or woman Shepards or asian Shepards or christian Shepards. Because it`s a freakin` CHOICE and no law.

It's not the same at all.  Your ignorance is showing.

If you want a black Shepard, go to the editor.  If your Shepard is Christian, you can prove it by talking to Ashley.  If Shep is a female for you, editor.

NO ****** OPTIONS.  GOTTA BE A CLUE

[danabe]

jselene wrote...

Please people, stop arguing! You're just making this thread longer. >_<

So. Why are you replying?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
You presume to think that Asari genetics and DNA (and it's stated that they have DNA) are the same as homosapiens? I think thats a gross error.

Having DNA at all is not going to happen with an independently evolved life form.  If they have DNA, that's a screwup.  Having them look like human females is just ridiculous. 

There was life before DNA, on planet Earth. Rudimentary sure, but who's to say what evolutionary course the Asari progressed down?

You're speaking of the RNA world?  At that point it couldn't really be said to be life.  Life possibly originated using RNA-based genomes, but these were rapidly replaced by DNA, due to its greater stability.  RNA genomes only survive in some viruses. 

The problem is that RNA and DNA are both just two possible options.  There could be many other chemicals that would have worked as well.  It would be naive to think that an alien lifeform will have DNA using GATC.  It's much more likely to use some other duplex, or even come up with an arrangement we haven't even imagined. 

If you ever had a chance to study Prion Proteins you will know that DNA isn't necessary for a living thing to replicate and reproduce. Doubtless we are the only 2 here who understand science talk  which is why I wont elaborate. Remember this is still a work of fiction, a space opera. It isn't "hard" sci-fi ala Isaac Asimov.

Interesting debate though.

[Endurance_117]

jselene wrote...

Please people, stop arguing! You're just making this thread longer. >_<

You just contributed nothing to this thread. Please stay on topic

John Shepard is strait, the rest I don't know

[Kreid]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...Which would explain why somepeople are up in arms about a gay option.

"NO WAY! My Shep is sooo straight that he'd never even think about hitting on another guy!!!"

Which is totally not the case.

It's not a question of if he could it's a question of why didn't he think it before, and why now? it makes no sense, people are attracted to what they attracted always, unless you are suggesting that I am to believe Shepard being some kind of insecure homosexual in the closet both in ME1 and ME2.

[jpetrey123]

SethSteiner wrote...

Ehhh yeaaah intolerance IS a crime, if you start hate speeches and so on. Do I like two guys kissing each other? No I don`t. But I respect homosexuals as human beings like they are and don`t start to be an idiot because I am insecure about a possible gay Shepard. That is as same as dumb as being against black Shepards or woman Shepards or asian Shepards or christian Shepards. Because it`s a freakin` CHOICE and no law.

in ME world it is a law it says in the officail ME law book "no gay men shall be aloud eveeeer or they shall face ejection out the airlock"

[ReDSH1FT]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

I wonder if they finally realized how wrong they are in thinking that Shep could turn ****** in ME3.

You have gone from mildly amusing homophobe to irrelevant troll in this post.  Thanks for making a fool of yourself for our amusement though.  Bye now. 

Yes, yes.  I'm the fool while you trounced me with your amazing and thought out posts.  Gems like "MY WIFE IS SUPER HOT" and "YOU'RE A HOMOPHOBE."