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[ReDSH1FT]

ewaldorph wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote... There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.  But think about this.
Shepard has been straight so far.

How do you know? Anyone with any sensitivity (leaves you out: homos, really?) would have picked up on the cinematics interactions between Kaiden and Shepard throughout ME1. This is particularly reinforced by his overreaction to Shepard apparantly joining Cerebus in ME2.

Male homosexuality has been addressed by every major scifi novel and film set in the 21st century and beyond. If one includes sex at all it is disingenuous to exclude homosexuality.

Those who would shove their heads in the sand are free to do so (they obviously have little else to do with them) but do not try to force everyone eles's in with you. Since homosexuals serve openly in the military of every new world country (with the US soon to follow) your point has little stature.

Oooh.  Gonna love to dissect this one.

Ahem.

First, yes, homos.  It's from the scientific term homosexual.  Homosexuals are homos, can you comprehend that?  Gay is a word meaning happy that homos attributed to make their community seem upbeat, nice, and accepting.

The cinematic scenes with Kaiden and Shepard look pretty normal to me, minus the skin tight shirt things.  I didn't see or notice any tension at all there.  Plus, Kaiden died in my game because let's face it, he was more bland than Jenkins.  I wish Jenkins didn't die in the beginning, but Kaidan did.  Ashley was way cooler than Kaidan.  What you chose to interpret is up to you and your ****** imagination.

You say that homosexuality has been addressed in every sci fi novel and film set in this century.  LOL.  This extreme logical fallacy doesn't even merit a response.  This is probably your most insane claim.

You then say that those of us intolerant morons can shove our heads in the sand instead of forcing our evil hetero culture down your throat.  EH HEH HEH.  Maybe you haven't been on these boards long, but the homos are clawing and screaming at BioWare to shove ****** crap into the game.  YOU guys are the ones shoving your culture down our throats.  I could care less what you do behind closed doors, but keep it to yourself.  I don't go sticking a black and white uncurved rainbow on my car to represent my heterosexuality.  Homos are the biggest bunch of whiners in the US right now.  Get over yourselves.

Oh and you say that the US is soon to follow on openly gay military.  Perhaps you don't know didly squat about politics, but lately the Republican filibuster has been huge, and it's only gonna get bigger with the new Massachusetts senator.

Ouch.  You got destroyed.

Modifié par ReDSH1FT, 06 février 2010 - 09:20 .

[Ryngard]

No I think the OP has a point.



I am VERY pro-gay (as odd as it is to say that). Honestly, I think it is natural and that "straights" and "gays" deserve the same rights, etc. I also applaud Bioware for having a lot of games with such choices (Dragon Age).



However, why is it such a crime that Shepard is NOT gay? In Dragon Age YOU are making the character and they give YOU the option. In Mass Effect YOU are playing Shepard, who it appears is straight.



I don't understand all the threads going on and on and on about it.



What we need is a Mass Effect game post Shepard trilogy that allows the option just like in Dragon Age and other Bioware games.



I mean the closest gays get to this outside Bioware is "The Ballad of Gay Tony". I mean really!

[Clova]

Good lord, and i do NOT want YOUR intolerant attitude shoved down MY throat. What i do, on my own computer, on my own game, cant not and does not affect you. However, refuseing to add in something based on intolerace DOES affect me. bioware has also made it explicitly clear they do not tolerate blatent gay bashing as well. Hate is not a good thing.



There is nothing wrong with OPTIONS. You dont have to choose it.



Also, while ****** is short for homosexual (and homosapien, which we all are), it is generaly thought of a derogatory pecause people tend to say it with the intent to hurt. Just plain out spell homosexual if you want to reference to them as such instead of gay. its only 6 letters longer.

[ManBearPig91]

Props to you for this thread.

[Clova]

Ryngard wrote...



However, why is it such a crime that Shepard is NOT gay? In Dragon Age YOU are making the character and they give YOU the option. In Mass Effect YOU are playing Shepard, who it appears is straight.

Possibly because if you play as a Femshep, you get female options. it would be one thing if they didnt allow M/M AND F/F , but they arnt.  If they wanted shepard to be soley straight, they wouldnt let us have F/F options

[NewZealand]

No need to go way off topic, in short, Shepard has been straight this whole time, so why would he suddenly turn gay?

[DalishRanger]

... *Sigh*

[Ryngard]

Clova wrote...
Possibly because if you play as a Femshep, you get female options. it would be one thing if they didnt allow M/M AND F/F , but they arnt.  If they wanted shepard to be soley straight, they wouldnt let us have F/F options

Except again, we're playing a premade character. So what... apparently if Shepard was female, she would swing that way. But apparently the male Shepard doesn't. It doesn't mean that it is some big conspiracy...

And I DO agree... ****** is NOT a nice word and the poster can defend with that garbage excuse all he wants, but that is all it is... and excuse.

[ReDSH1FT]

Clova wrote...

Good lord, and i do NOT want YOUR intolerant attitude shoved down MY throat. What i do, on my own computer, on my own game, cant not and does not affect you. However, refuseing to add in something based on intolerace DOES affect me. bioware has also made it explicitly clear they do not tolerate blatent gay bashing as well. Hate is not a good thing.

There is nothing wrong with OPTIONS. You dont have to choose it.

Also, while ****** is short for homosexual (and homosapien, which we all are), it is generaly thought of a derogatory pecause people tend to say it with the intent to hurt. Just plain out spell homosexual if you want to reference to them as such instead of gay. its only 6 letters longer.

How you interpret words is up to you.  ****** is short for homosexual.  Do you say car or automobile?  Math or mathematics?  Geeeeeet ooooover yourseeeelf.

I'm not anti-gay, I believe that what you do behind closed doors is your choice.  But when your choice happens to show up in protests and whining, then it gets annoying.

If Shepard showed ****** tendencies in the beginning of Mass Effect, then I would have NOTHING against it being in ME2 or ME3.  NOTHING.

BUT

Since he is portrayed as straight, swapping girls for guys seems like a huge cop out.  Hence my original post.

Shepard is straight.  Get over it.  There is no way for him to be gay.  He has had no gay dialogue options so far, meaning he ISN'T INTERESTED.  Stop trying to change the character.

[ReDSH1FT]

NewZealand wrote...

No need to go way off topic, in short, Shepard has been straight this whole time, so why would he suddenly turn gay?

EXACTLY.  THANK YOU.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Yeah, Bioware decided Shepard to be straight. Sure it's your Shepard, but you're still Shepard a character that you can choose several... "molds" and him/her being straight seems to be one of those.

[Clova]

It just seems a little bit hypocritical for the female to be able to swing that way, and the male not to be able to. Or sexist. or whatever.



I dont really want to have a homosexual Shepard, male or female, myself, but i dont believe in forceing that upon other people. Im "pro-choice" you could say. I also care more about the reasoning behind such actions then the action itself...which is why im feverantly argueing this XD

[Orogenic]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

 There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.  

But think about this.

Shepard has been straight so far.  He's romanced hot chicks, hot alien chicks, and would probably romance EDI given the chance.

How the **** can you justify him turning gay all of a sudden in ME3?

What, did the Lazarus project mess up a wire or two?  How does this space pimp go from all that to liking dudes?

BS.  Sure, you may say your male Shepard didn't do any of those romances because he's gay, and you're role playing him that way.  Fine do what you want, but it makes NO damn sense whatsoever to have gay options in ME3.

I would be pissed to have my space pimp talk to a male crew mate in ME3 and see some sort of gay flirt option on there.  What the hell happened?  Why is he bicurious all of a sudden?  Why is that option there?  Is he thinking about Steve as a possible interest?  My Shepard???? 

No.  Keep it in your heads and out of this game.

1950 called... they want their homosexual panic back.

White, southern, heterosexual male here voicing 100% support for same sex romance options in ME 3 : )

[coinop25]

I'm a straight guy, and my first Shepard was a straight guy too. My second was a straight gal. Eventually I got around to a gay guy. Pined after Kaiden awhile. Would love to see a viable romance option for him in ME3.

[Deviija]

There is no reason why Gay Shepard should not be included in ME3, other than the devs not putting it in. Those that are making the claim that Shepard cannot be gay suddenly because he is Shepard? I'd like to point you to FemShep and Kelly. If we are to believe in the BioWare exposition that Asari/FemShep relations are not F/F because they are not 'female,' then the relationship with Kelly allows for FemSheps to 'suddenly' become bisexual or lesbian in the series with a HUMAN. There is no refuting that.

Considering that Kaidan was originally going to be a m/m option, and the rumors that Thane/DudeShep romance lines were discovered in ME2, I do not find issue with Shepard having a m/m option in ME3 out of the ordinary at all. It is completely within the Shepard character to be gay because of the planning stages including Kaidan as m/m. That Kaidan is now strictly straight does not mean that Shepard has to be strictly hetero or lesbian or xenophilic. That a m/m option has not yet presented itself also does not mean that Shepard cannot be gay.

Modifié par Deviija, 06 février 2010 - 09:41 .

[Clova]

ReDSH1FT wrote...


How you interpret words is up to you.  ****** is short for homosexual.  Do you say car or automobile?  Math or mathematics?  Geeeeeet ooooover yourseeeelf.

When car is offensive to the automobile, and math is offensive to mathmatics, then that point will become valid.

You could tech refer to me as Four eyes due to my glasses, but you shouldnt as that is offensive

Modifié par Clova, 06 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Yeah, you are Shepard. There's a bunch of choices you can make along his journey, being nice or mean, saving or killing people, etc. You can choose whether or not to romance an asari or human in ME1, and in ME2 it's a quarian and 2 humans (kelly doesn't count). So yeah, he's straight. There's no plausible way for him to be gay all of a sudden in ME3.



If I was to see an option to hit on Steve the Midshipman in ME3, I'd flip out. What happened Shepard?? What happened between ME2 and ME3 to make you ******?? Because you were clearly straight at the end of ME2.

[Kwonnern]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.



But think about this.



Shepard has been straight so far. He's romanced hot chicks, hot alien chicks, and would probably romance EDI given the chance.



How the **** can you justify him turning gay all of a sudden in ME3?



What, did the Lazarus project mess up a wire or two?

Maybe Person X played the game differently than you?



For person x he may be gay (never shagged birds, neither in ME1 nor ME2 for example), while for person y he might be of another disposition.



Thus, his disposition would be canon/true (this is how Shep is), but the canon would be different for different people.



That's what's so great with these games, there are many different ways to play your character.

[Kolaris8472]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Yeah, Bioware decided Shepard to be straight. Sure it's your Shepard, but you're still Shepard a character that you can choose several... "molds" and him/her being straight seems to be one of those.

So I can choose whether Shephard is a Biotic or a Tech Expert, whether Shephard is male or female, whether he grew up on Earth or millions of light years away, whether his entire life experiences lead him to survive an attack by Thresher Maws or whether his military career brought him forward to lead an assault on Pirates on Torfun, hell I can shape his entire personality, I can even shape whether he's interested in bald chicks, a nice ass, or a cute quarian, but the ONLY things constant is his last name, that he saves the galaxy, and that he's straight. 

Ok. 

[Valcutio]

I agree with the OP. The idea of Shepard being gay just ruins the character for me. I'm glad it's not an option.

[ReDSH1FT]

Clova wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...


How you interpret words is up to you.  ****** is short for homosexual.  Do you say car or automobile?  Math or mathematics?  Geeeeeet ooooover yourseeeelf.

When car is offensive to the automobile, and math is offensive to mathmatics, then that point will become valid.

Go back to starbucks you politically correct apologist.

Modifié par ReDSH1FT, 06 février 2010 - 09:40 .

[Dreadz666]

Would it really kill you if there was a gay OPTION? (option=not mandatory->player's choice)



If it would, then we're better of without you anyway...

[Kolaris8472]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Yeah, you are Shepard. There's a bunch of choices you can make along his journey, being nice or mean, saving or killing people, etc. You can choose whether or not to romance an asari or human in ME1, and in ME2 it's a quarian and 2 humans (kelly doesn't count). So yeah, he's straight. There's no plausible way for him to be gay all of a sudden in ME3.

If I was to see an option to hit on Steve the Midshipman in ME3, I'd flip out. What happened Shepard?? What happened between ME2 and ME3 to make you ******?? Because you were clearly straight at the end of ME2.

You'd only flip out (if you were reasonable that is) if you actually selected that option and shaped your Shephard to have a complete turn-around. 

The dialog wheel is not some sort of angels-and-demons routine playing out on the shoulders of our beloved Commander. He doesn't have all those things swirling through his head before he picks one. 

[Clova]

Actually, Im a Texan that belongs in the middle of the spectrum. Too much P.C is one thing, but outright saying something that offends a whole people is another.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Yeah, Bioware decided Shepard to be straight. Sure it's your Shepard, but you're still Shepard a character that you can choose several... "molds" and him/her being straight seems to be one of those.

So I can choose whether Shephard is a Biotic or a Tech Expert, whether Shephard is male or female, whether he grew up on Earth or millions of light years away, whether his entire life experiences lead him to survive an attack by Thresher Maws or whether his military career brought him forward to lead an assault on Pirates on Torfun, hell I can shape his entire personality, I can even shape whether he's interested in bald chicks, a nice ass, or a cute quarian, but the ONLY things constant is his last name, that he saves the galaxy, and that he's straight. 

Ok. 

It's just a story design they made and I highly doubt they reverse their decision halfway. Wait, way past halfway. Anyway, they are making ME3 as soon as ME2 went out, I'd be highly surprised they'd go over some design choices they made and did not changed in the last game of the series. That would be just... weird.