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[Brownfinger]

I'm not getting any text in the standard reply form, so hopefully code will work in the quick reply form...

No one's trying to force it on you though. Honestly does having a paragon option force it on you?

Are you honestly trying to put gay/straight on the same level as renegade/paragon? Moral choice is a gameplay mechanic, has widespread implications. Sexual preference in a game wouldn't alter the gameplay significantly, it would just fuel some weird and creepy fanfic. XD



I'm saying it would be forced because there's no precedent. No prior behavior that would indicate anything other than Shepard's real preference. The man has too many options to become gay. Hehe, no I kid. Kinda.

I don't understand why this is so important to people. It's like you want it in the game on general principle, and the act itself becomes secondary.



Oh, and by the way, not all people in opposition to your request are religious. I, myself, find it archaic, contradictory, and narrow.

Boosh! =D

[sw33ts]

Stop playing the victims here. You all are the ones attacking us, with your constant banter and whining about ME not being the ****** dating sim you dreamed about.

Why yes we are. With our constant quoting of bible quotes and calling the straights disgusting and wanting to vomit when a straight hits on us. Yes. We are attacking you.

[cocla]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Did I say I was overly religious and that I'd read every passage? Doesn't matter how you dress it up, being gay is not right. It isn't the way it should be that's for sure. I'm not saying people who are gay shouldn't have a place in the world, but obviously it isn't the way things should be.

While Im not gay, I feel the need to correct you on the point of 'It isn't the way it should be that's for sure', as studies have shown that homosexual behaviour occurs in many other animals as well, and that while a minority it is natural for this to occur in species (for what reasons science hasnt proven yet).

So you cant argue its not supposed to be.  Morally you can believe whatever you want, but I will disagree on both items.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Indeed. The thing is when the chips are down all this liberal **** goes right out the window. I know right and wrong. That's enough for me.
If you guys wanna come here and try and dress me and Red down for our beliefs, that's your business. Note the thread name, if you don't like it, then leave.

Also people repeatedly come back at me for my Leviticus post, and at this point I need to be the bigger man and say that I posted that without thinking. Ryuuchi just wound me up. As I said, I'm not overly religious, but I believe in the sanctity of marriage. Take from that what you will.

Although we've been trolled more than I've ever seen a gay support thread trolled, I won't just let you ******'s walk all over us just yet.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 01:10 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

cocla wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Did I say I was overly religious and that I'd read every passage? Doesn't matter how you dress it up, being gay is not right. It isn't the way it should be that's for sure. I'm not saying people who are gay shouldn't have a place in the world, but obviously it isn't the way things should be.

While Im not gay, I feel the need to correct you on the point of 'It isn't the way it should be that's for sure', as studies have shown that homosexual behaviour occurs in many other animals as well, and that while a minority it is natural for this to occur in species (for what reasons science hasnt proven yet).

So you cant argue its not supposed to be.  Morally you can believe whatever you want, but I will disagree on both items.

Clearly it IS wrong. If everyone was gay, reproduction would be a pretty unpleasant experience for us all...

[Revid Emit]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Indeed. The thing is when the chips are down all this liberal **** goes right out the window. I know right and wrong. That's enough for me.
If you guys wanna come here and dry and dress me and Red down for our beliefs, that's your business. Note the thread name, if you don't like it, then leave.

Also people repeatedly come back at me for my Leviticus post, and at this point I need to be the bigger man and say that I posted that without thinking. Ryuuchi just wound me up. As I said, I'm not overly religious, but I believe in the sanctity of marriage. Take from that what you will.

Although we've been trolled more than I've ever seen a gay support thread trolled, I won't just let you ******'s walk all over us just yet.

Well... someone here is taking things too far.

I'm a straight male, and I want my Female Shepard to have sweet lesbian loving with Tali.

Get over yourself.

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Sigh...not another one. Shall we hold nothing dear? You can blabber on about your civil contract blah blah all you want, but before there was organised government there was still marriage. Marriage is a pairing, of man and woman, not man and man.

If we want to talk about the history of marriage, it preceeds your religion, and originated to help insure paternity.  Our ape relatives have evolved some methods for helping insure paternity, our species inherited those.  Then we went the extra mile when we used our intelligence to realize sex -> pregnancy, and not making sure the kid you're raising belongs to you risks having someone else's by-blow inherit your property upon your death.  There was nothing sacred or holy about the arrangement.  Marriage initially was a societal construct designed to protect male property rights. 

Our views on marriage have changed as culture has changed.  Now marriage is more about love and partnership than reproduction and property.  The rationale for limiting marriage to a male/female couple is no longer relevant to modern marriage. 

I don't need your pity, save it for yourself. If you had even a mite of wit behind all that intelligence you'd realise that I'm not against gay marriage, I'm against Christian gay marriage.

If you're going to oppose some special version of marriage, you should specify, because when I talk about marriage I'm talking about the type that is available regardless of religion. 

[Zaxares]

See my sig for my stance on the whole issue.



That said, I believe in freedom of speech and thought, and you're entitled to your opinions on the matter. At the end of the day, the decision rests with Bioware, and both our sides have made our views abundantly clear to them. Let's leave it up to them now, shall we?

[illerianna]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Because marriage is a Holy Matrimony in the eyes of the Lord. Like I said, I am not overly religous but I have my beliefs. And while legally marriage is a contract, actually it's so much more. If you view marriage as solely a contract I feel sorry for you.

They're not asking to get married by your deity.  Marriage is a civil arrangement.  The government is the institution that pronounces you married.  There is no excuse to keep two men or two women from entering into this type of contract.  If you want some type of religious ultra-special marriage, have your church come up with some thing just for church members. 

I have a certain amount of pity for you as well, although it's getting overridden by disgust. 

And also, who are you to tell me it's not wrong?

Someone who has some basic grasp of human rights.  I know, it's unusual. 

Sigh...not another one. Shall we hold nothing dear? You can blabber on about your civil contract blah blah all you want, but before there was organised government there was still marriage. Marriage is a pairing, of man and woman, not man and man.
I don't need your pity, save it for yourself. If you had even a mite of wit behind all that intelligence you'd realise that I'm not against gay marriage, I'm against Christian gay marriage.

You realized there was organized goverment BEFORE Christianity right? Please tell me you realize this? A monarchy is a goverment. Also Marriage came BEFORE Christianity as well. Why do people not realize Christianity is as old as people think it is. <_<

Indeed, marriage was even around at the time of the Vedas (Hinduism), which was considered divine. Probably long before then, in fact I recall a teacher telling me that the institution of marriage pre-dates recorded history.

It isn't a Christian concept. In fact, most everything of the Christian mythos is borrowed from other, older religions, such as Egyptian mythology. But that's another topic for another time.

[TheSpaceHamster]

 I'm curious - is the vast amount of intolerance(non-acceptance variety) directed against only homosexual male Shepard PCs, or against both homosexual male and female Shepards?  

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

cocla wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Did I say I was overly religious and that I'd read every passage? Doesn't matter how you dress it up, being gay is not right. It isn't the way it should be that's for sure. I'm not saying people who are gay shouldn't have a place in the world, but obviously it isn't the way things should be.

While Im not gay, I feel the need to correct you on the point of 'It isn't the way it should be that's for sure', as studies have shown that homosexual behaviour occurs in many other animals as well, and that while a minority it is natural for this to occur in species (for what reasons science hasnt proven yet).

So you cant argue its not supposed to be.  Morally you can believe whatever you want, but I will disagree on both items.

Clearly it IS wrong. If everyone was gay, reproduction would be a pretty unpleasant experience for us all...

There's a rational disconnect between the two sentences in this post, and the first is an unsupported postulate. . . 

[Creature 1]

TheSpaceHamster wrote...

 I'm curious - is the vast amount of intolerance(non-acceptance variety) directed against only homosexual male Shepard PCs, or against both homosexual male and female Shepards?  

Male Shepherd of course!  Because girls having sex is hot, but guys having sex is gross!  And that's because if you have sex with a guy that means you're acting like a woman, and women are weak, so what person in their right mind would want to do that?!?  <_< 

Homophobia is inseparably entangled with misogyny. 

[ReDSH1FT]

sw33ts wrote...

Stop playing the victims here. You all are the ones attacking us, with your constant banter and whining about ME not being the ****** dating sim you dreamed about.

Why yes we are. With our constant quoting of bible quotes and calling the straights disgusting and wanting to vomit when a straight hits on us. Yes. We are attacking you.

From the very beginning, I was crucified by ignorant apologist trolls stating that I was wrong and they are victims of society.  

You guys are the ones making the hundreds of pages yelling at the devs, calling them names, and calling anyone who disagrees with you ignorant and close minded.  I'm not arguing with you guys, but you did fire the first round.

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Although we've been trolled more than I've ever seen a gay support thread trolled, I won't just let you ******'s walk all over us just yet.

I have to ask...

Would a female on female relationship offend you?

[Kreid]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Can you guys stay on-topic?

You're right, the topic is why it's a bad idea to have a gay male Shepard.  If you disagree, please state why in a logical argument. 

I diagree with the topic because there is no reason that Shepard couldn't concievably be gay. This additonal choice harms no one and would increase enjoyment and replaybility for a percentage of the fanbase.

The fact is Shepard has no set orientation, race, religion. The only set things about Shepard are species, age, background (and that's fluid to a certain extent) and the fact that they were in the alliance military and the first human spectre, defeated Saren and died at the beginning of ME2.

Everything else is spoilery so let's not get into that.

So, under your point of view, Shepard suddenly and without prior sign getting interested in males is a non-issue? you don't care about continuity?you can't romance Kaidan/Jacob/Thane/Garrus in ME1 and ME2 but maybe you suddenly can in ME3 for some magical reason and it's alright?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Can you guys stay on-topic?

You're right, the topic is why it's a bad idea to have a gay male Shepard.  If you disagree, please state why in a logical argument. 

I diagree with the topic because there is no reason that Shepard couldn't concievably be gay. This additonal choice harms no one and would increase enjoyment and replaybility for a percentage of the fanbase.

The fact is Shepard has no set orientation, race, religion. The only set things about Shepard are species, age, background (and that's fluid to a certain extent) and the fact that they were in the alliance military and the first human spectre, defeated Saren and died at the beginning of ME2.

Everything else is spoilery so let's not get into that.

In a logical arguement then, I present the following.

IMO there can be no way that a gay romance could be introduced unobtrusively. This would break immersion for the straight fanbase where all of a sudden someone you've adventured with through 2 games suddenly turns out to be gay. I mean Kaiden was in love for God's sake, with a girl. So was Garrus. It's all in their backstory dialogue. Same with Thane. Not sure about Zaeed. And Jacob is all about teh ladies.

Regarding the introduction of a new gay character for ME3, I will concede that I have no problem with that, as the option can be declined. I only ask that it be up for declination early, so I can still be buddies and get to know his backstory without tripping into a homofest.
I think a lot of misunderstanding about my stance has occured regarding the introduction of a new gay guy/gal. I merely want to preserve the state of the current characters.

Ok, thats logical as I can get it, no bull****. Dress it down, I dare ya.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 01:18 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Just for ****'s and giggles, did you used to play DoW2 Creature 1? You sound just like a really irritating guy I used to know on there...took the moral/intellectual highroad all the time...regarded by most as a ******.

[Kreid]

Creature 1 wrote...

TheSpaceHamster wrote...

 I'm curious - is the vast amount of intolerance(non-acceptance variety) directed against only homosexual male Shepard PCs, or against both homosexual male and female Shepards?  

Male Shepherd of course!  Because girls having sex is hot, but guys having sex is gross!  And that's because if you have sex with a guy that means you're acting like a woman, and women are weak, so what person in their right mind would want to do that?!?  <_< 

Homophobia is inseparably entangled with misogyny. 

Female Shepard has shown interest in homosexual relationships in both ME1 and ME2 male Shepard hasn't, ergo doing it suddenly in ME3 is Forced and out of character.
I feel I will have to repeat it MANY times yet

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Can you guys stay on-topic?

You're right, the topic is why it's a bad idea to have a gay male Shepard.  If you disagree, please state why in a logical argument. 

I diagree with the topic because there is no reason that Shepard couldn't concievably be gay. This additonal choice harms no one and would increase enjoyment and replaybility for a percentage of the fanbase.

The fact is Shepard has no set orientation, race, religion. The only set things about Shepard are species, age, background (and that's fluid to a certain extent) and the fact that they were in the alliance military and the first human spectre, defeated Saren and died at the beginning of ME2.

Everything else is spoilery so let's not get into that.

It's not conceivable at all, and it does harm people.

Shep has shown no interest in any guys so far, but has shown interest in a lot of girls.  Also, the story is trashed if all of a sudden he goes ******, harming everyone who is so absorbed by the character.  It's like, WTF JUST HAPPENED.  There's no logical explanation for it.  It's all wishful ****** thinking.

[WriteByTheSea]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

You guys are the ones making the hundreds of pages yelling at the devs, calling them names, and calling anyone who disagrees with you ignorant and close minded.  I'm not arguing with you guys, but you did fire the first round.

And you returned the favor by calling people who disagreed with you "PC," "fascists," "whiners" even Starbuck's customers. Unreal.

The sum of your argument is "I donna want a Gay Shepard, 'cause!"  Pretty laughable as arguments go.

[ReDSH1FT]

TheSpaceHamster wrote...

 I'm curious - is the vast amount of intolerance(non-acceptance variety) directed against only homosexual male Shepard PCs, or against both homosexual male and female Shepards?  

Just the male one, the canon Shep.

[sw33ts]

"IMO there can be no way that a gay romance could be introduced unobtrusively. This would break immersion for the straight fanbase where all of a sudden someone you've adventured with through 2 games suddenly turns out to be gay. I mean Kaiden was in love for God's sake, with a girl. So was Garrus. It's all in their backstory dialogue."



I'm bi. That's all am sayin.