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[Kreid]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Can you guys stay on-topic?

You're right, the topic is why it's a bad idea to have a gay male Shepard.  If you disagree, please state why in a logical argument. 

I diagree with the topic because there is no reason that Shepard couldn't concievably be gay. This additonal choice harms no one and would increase enjoyment and replaybility for a percentage of the fanbase.

The fact is Shepard has no set orientation, race, religion. The only set things about Shepard are species, age, background (and that's fluid to a certain extent) and the fact that they were in the alliance military and the first human spectre, defeated Saren and died at the beginning of ME2.

Everything else is spoilery so let's not get into that.

So, under your point of view, Shepard suddenly and without prior sign getting interested in males is a non-issue? you don't care about continuity?you can't romance Kaidan/Jacob/Thane/Garrus in ME1 and ME2 but maybe you suddenly can in ME3 for some magical reason and it's alright?

I roleplayed Shep as a gay male from the beginning. He had no interest in anyone and had a one sided infatuation with Alenko but didn't persue it do to being senior officer. If Alenko came back and expressed interest he'd enter a relationship with him due to no longer being in the alliance military.

Also: Bisexuals exist and Kaiden was conceived as one from the beginning. They just decided to scrap it before finishing. <_<

Your roleplaying is good for yourself but that's just your made up point of view, reality is that there simply isn't any options for you to romance male characters in the game, and while in you perspective it makes Shepard a homosexual with no reciprocal feelings, the reality of the situation from an in-world perspective is that your Shepard is either all business or a loner (IMPORTANT: I'm not saying you are wrong by creating your own roleplaying ideas or thinking whatever you want about YOUR character I'm just pointing the facts based on the existing options) within the course of both ME1 and ME2 Shepard gives absolutely no signs of being interested on men, yet he clearly flirts with woman, and since in-game evidence, canon evidence, has more weight than a player's own roleplaying perspective, the more logical conclusion is that from the developers' point of view male Shepard has been conceived to be heterosexual and changing this in ME3 would be against the rules of the established canon.
It doesn't matter if a M/M romance was planned and scrapped, it never made it to the game and the story has advanced enough to make it implausible so it's a non-issue

[JamesMoriarty123]

Like i said in my "logical arguement" post. I wouldnt be against a new gay character in ME3, but keep Canon Shep straight.

[WriteByTheSea]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

In a logical arguement then, I present the following.

IMO there can be no way that a gay romance could be introduced unobtrusively. This would break immersion for the straight fanbase where all of a sudden someone you've adventured with through 2 games suddenly turns out to be gay. I mean Kaiden was in love for God's sake, with a girl. So was Garrus. It's all in their backstory dialogue. Same with Thane. Not sure about Zaeed. And Jacob is all about teh ladies.

James,  there's no way to know what the past history of a certain character is or what sexual mores of the time are. You are making an assumption about the entire history of a character based on a limited amount of information. For all we know, sexuality is much more fluid in ME universe. Any of these characters could have had a same-sex relationship before the sliver of their lives that we see or will have them in the majority of their life that we don't.

As for the game itself, any big change in the game is obtrusive: the rewriting of the classes, the combat system, the heat sinks. Those "all took you out of the game" for a moment, as they weren't the same in ME2 as with ME1. But that doesn't matter. You accept that the ME universe has always been like this or always was developing like this, jump back into the game and have a great time.

Regarding the introduction of a new gay character for ME3, I will concede that I have no problem with that, as the option can be declined. I only ask that it be up for declination early, so I can still be buddies and get to know his backstory without tripping into a homofest.
I think a lot of misunderstanding about my stance has occured regarding the introduction of a new gay guy/gal. I merely want to preserve the state of the current characters.

James, that last bit isn't much of an argument. You don't want any "stealth" gays because you might be offended if you start to like a character only to discover there's the possibility of a "homofest?" Well, I'm not sure there's a clause anywhere in the TOS agreement when the buy the game that you won't be offended by something.  Arguing that you have a right to engage with something without being "offended" is pretty hollow.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Also as previously stated, Kaiden tells you about a time he was in love with a GIRL ffs, that make's him straight. So Ryuuchi, go indulge your ****** guy fantasies elsewhere. I'm sure you've got some guy on guy stuff lying around...ugh...gross...

[jidnis]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Can you guys stay on-topic?

You're right, the topic is why it's a bad idea to have a gay male Shepard.  If you disagree, please state why in a logical argument. 

I diagree with the topic because there is no reason that Shepard couldn't concievably be gay. This additonal choice harms no one and would increase enjoyment and replaybility for a percentage of the fanbase.

The fact is Shepard has no set orientation, race, religion. The only set things about Shepard are species, age, background (and that's fluid to a certain extent) and the fact that they were in the alliance military and the first human spectre, defeated Saren and died at the beginning of ME2.

Everything else is spoilery so let's not get into that.

So, under your point of view, Shepard suddenly and without prior sign getting interested in males is a non-issue? you don't care about continuity?you can't romance Kaidan/Jacob/Thane/Garrus in ME1 and ME2 but maybe you suddenly can in ME3 for some magical reason and it's alright?

I roleplayed Shep as a gay male from the beginning. He had no interest in anyone and had a one sided infatuation with Alenko but didn't persue it do to being senior officer. If Alenko came back and expressed interest he'd enter a relationship with him due to no longer being in the alliance military.

Also: Bisexuals exist and Kaiden was conceived as one from the beginning. They just decided to scrap it before finishing. <_<

Blah blah blah.  Kaidan might have been black in the beginning too.  Fact is that he is what he is now.

No amount of tears will change it.  He was in love with a girl, not with your Shep.  Your Shep was never ****** either, no matter how much you want him to be.  He could have pursued Ash and Liara, but he didn't in your file.  

By your logic, if I'm not hitting on the girls in my class, I could be a ******.  

Logical fallacies galore.

By your logic, if Shep isn't hitting on men, he could be a straight

[illerianna]

Ah, the epeen stroking and general rage. I think BOTH sides just need to chill the hell out.



Everyone has an opinion, and we're all just ****s behind a keyboard. Live and let live. We can argue about morality all day, but it accomplishes nothing. Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.



If it helps you sleep at night, go ahead and "pwn ******'s". Knock yourself out. ****** to Pat Robertson, and cry if a fictional man hits on your fictional character in a video game. Fine with me. Just please don't limit the rights of other human beings because your dogma tells you to.

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Like i said in my "logical arguement" post. I wouldnt be against a new gay character in ME3, but keep Canon Shep straight.

Where is this "Canon Shep" coming from?

There's a marketing Shep (the only thing we get from him is a face), the rest is up to you to mould him as you like.

[ReDSH1FT]

You know, Creid-X is making some valid points that need to be read before making stupid comments.



There's no mechanism that can atone for Shep all of a sudden becoming a ******. It just doesn't happen. I don't want to have it in my dialogue wheel. It would ruin so much of the character. It's retarded.

[Brownfinger]

So you're against it just because then? So frankly tell me honestly what's the harm then? Other than you just being against it to be against it.

Opposing it for opposition's sake? XD

Yes, because clearly the only people that get squeamish around homosexuality are all homophobes. It's INCONCEIVABLE that they'd handle themselves with dignity and respectfully let people carry out their own wishes separately.



Wow, and you people think the homophobes are ignorant.

As I said in the beginning, I don't mind it. I just don't want to be presented with it. If there is prompt as soon as I pop in the disc that asks me "R U GAY", and allows me to decline so I never have to deal with it, then I'm fine with that.

And no, I'm not against straight relationships in the game. I never once even intimated that I was. I chose Miranda. KTHX.

[JamesMoriarty123]

DQE001 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

In a logical arguement then, I present the following.

IMO there can be no way that a gay romance could be introduced unobtrusively. This would break immersion for the straight fanbase where all of a sudden someone you've adventured with through 2 games suddenly turns out to be gay. I mean Kaiden was in love for God's sake, with a girl. So was Garrus. It's all in their backstory dialogue. Same with Thane. Not sure about Zaeed. And Jacob is all about teh ladies.

James,  there's no way to know what the past history of a certain character is or what sexual mores of the time are. You are making an assumption about the entire history of a character based on a limited amount of information. For all we know, sexuality is much more fluid in ME universe. Any of these characters could have had a same-sex relationship before the sliver of their lives that we see or will have them in the majority of their life that we don't.

As for the game itself, any big change in the game is obtrusive: the rewriting of the classes, the combat system, the heat sinks. Those "all took you out of the game" for a moment, as they weren't the same in ME2 as with ME1. But that doesn't matter. You accept that the ME universe has always been like this or always was developing like this, jump back into the game and have a great time.

Regarding the introduction of a new gay character for ME3, I will concede that I have no problem with that, as the option can be declined. I only ask that it be up for declination early, so I can still be buddies and get to know his backstory without tripping into a homofest.
I think a lot of misunderstanding about my stance has occured regarding the introduction of a new gay guy/gal. I merely want to preserve the state of the current characters.

James, that last bit isn't much of an argument. You don't want any "stealth" gays because you might be offended if you start to like a character only to discover there's the possibility of a "homofest?" Well, I'm not sure there's a clause anywhere in the TOS agreement when the buy the game that you won't be offended by something.  Arguing that you have a right to engage with something without being "offended" is pretty hollow.

M8, the curernt characters are not gay, get over it. Generally if someone pursues a relationship and/or longs after a woman, they are straight. That's Garrus and Kaiden and Thane for sure...so stop trying to justify turning them gay, and be happy with a new gay character. You are the ****ing minority afterall, I would be more than surprised if Bioware implemented a gay romance, too much time and effort for the 500 gay people who post on these forums. And announcing a gay romance is hardly a big selling point, it'll more than likely have the opposite effect.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 01:35 .

[ReDSH1FT]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also as previously stated, Kaiden tells you about a time he was in love with a GIRL ffs, that make's him straight. So Ryuuchi, go indulge your ****** guy fantasies elsewhere. I'm sure you've got some guy on guy stuff lying around...ugh...gross...

You're right, Kaidan clearly states his sexuality.  These people live in a fantasy world.  A weird one judging by these posters....

[sw33ts]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also as previously stated, Kaiden tells you about a time he was in love with a GIRL ffs, that make's him straight. So Ryuuchi, go indulge your ****** guy fantasies elsewhere. I'm sure you've got some guy on guy stuff lying around...ugh...gross...

I'm bi, that's all I'm saying...once again.  Because You know.  Us bisexuals, we exist and we're here to sleep with yer brothers and your sisters and all of your cousins.

That's right.  Be afriad, be very afriad,  Of the love.  <3

[JamesMoriarty123]

Notice how the trolls and homophiles conveniently ignored my well put together post...all they wanna do is troll us Red...

[Kreid]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

So you're against it just because then? So frankly tell me honestly what's the harm then? Other than you just being against it to be against it.

Opposing it for opposition's sake? XD
Yes, because clearly the only people that get squeamish around homosexuality are all homophobes. It's INCONCEIVABLE that they'd handle themselves with dignity and respectfully let people carry out their own wishes separately.

Wow, and you people think the homophobes are ignorant.
As I said in the beginning, I don't mind it. I just don't want to be presented with it. If there is prompt as soon as I pop in the disc that asks me "R U GAY", and allows me to decline so I never have to deal with it, then I'm fine with that.
And no, I'm not against straight relationships in the game. I never once even intimated that I was. I chose Miranda. KTHX.

Then its fine if you don't have to persue then is what you're saying? 

You do realize that it being optional means you can choose to say no thanks to the gay party member right? 

Do you realize that the mere existence of such option defies all logic established in ME1 and ME2 right? it would be midly plausible if it was a new character yet again it's extremely forced and  immersion breaking.

[JamesMoriarty123]

sw33ts wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also as previously stated, Kaiden tells you about a time he was in love with a GIRL ffs, that make's him straight. So Ryuuchi, go indulge your ****** guy fantasies elsewhere. I'm sure you've got some guy on guy stuff lying around...ugh...gross...

I'm bi, that's all I'm saying...once again.  Because You know.  Us bisexuals, we exist and we're here to sleep with yer brothers and your sisters and all of your cousins.

That's right.  Be afriad, be very afriad,  Of the love.  <3

"I'm bi.." Read = "I'm an attention seeker."

[DLX23]

 i personaly would love the CHOICE, to have a gay shepard, as in DA2 you have a choice with the assassin guy.

[jidnis]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also as previously stated, Kaiden tells you about a time he was in love with a GIRL ffs, that make's him straight. So Ryuuchi, go indulge your ****** guy fantasies elsewhere. I'm sure you've got some guy on guy stuff lying around...ugh...gross...

You're right, Kaidan clearly states his sexuality.  These people live in a fantasy world.  A weird one judging by these posters....

It is ironic that you accuse people of "living in a fantasy world" when you are making a thread that affects a narrative set inside of a fantasy world

[sw33ts]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Notice how the trolls and homophiles conveniently ignored my well put together post...all they wanna do is troll us Red...

i didn't ignore you.  You stated that because kaiden and thane had former lovers of opposites in the past then they obviously must be straight.  Well that's not true because I've also had former lovers of the opposites in the past as well...but I'm not straight.  I'm bi...but i keep forgetting I don't exisit...doh...

Kay I guess you win....

[illerianna]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

So you're against it just because then? So frankly tell me honestly what's the harm then? Other than you just being against it to be against it.

Opposing it for opposition's sake? XD
Yes, because clearly the only people that get squeamish around homosexuality are all homophobes. It's INCONCEIVABLE that they'd handle themselves with dignity and respectfully let people carry out their own wishes separately.

Wow, and you people think the homophobes are ignorant.
As I said in the beginning, I don't mind it. I just don't want to be presented with it. If there is prompt as soon as I pop in the disc that asks me "R U GAY", and allows me to decline so I never have to deal with it, then I'm fine with that.
And no, I'm not against straight relationships in the game. I never once even intimated that I was. I chose Miranda. KTHX.

Then its fine if you don't have to persue then is what you're saying? 

You do realize that it being optional means you can choose to say no thanks to the gay party member right? 

It reminds me of the guys freaking out over Zevran in DA. How could you NOT see that coming like a freight train? Yes, a "back massage". What could go wro- OH MY GOD.

Something tells me these guys suddenly found themselves doing a naked wrestling match with Zevran and freaked out, begging BW not to do it again in ME.

[hbk0]

Man, for all the personal attack above and trolling threads. Please use the report function.

[JamesMoriarty123]

jidnis wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Also as previously stated, Kaiden tells you about a time he was in love with a GIRL ffs, that make's him straight. So Ryuuchi, go indulge your ****** guy fantasies elsewhere. I'm sure you've got some guy on guy stuff lying around...ugh...gross...

You're right, Kaidan clearly states his sexuality.  These people live in a fantasy world.  A weird one judging by these posters....

It is ironic that you accuse people of "living in a fantasy world" when you are making a thread that affects a narrative set inside of a fantasy world

That's pretty good actually. A lot of people have no idea how to use the word "ironic". I'm still behind Redshift tho. No gay Shep, and no gay current characters. New gay guy in ME3 sure, but he would get declined, big style.

[AlanC9]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
M8, the curernt characters are not gay, get over it.

How do you know they're not bisexual?

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 février 2010 - 01:41 .