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[Artres]

The biggest problem that I see is that sometimes you pick what you think is a completely innocuous option for dialogue and all of a sudden you're flirting with someone that you had no intention of getting into a romance with.  That's what happens sometimes in this kind of series where the dialogue options are not exactly what the character says.

Otherwise, I think as long as they made the flirty options incredibly overt in their wording (like the convo with Kelly an the what you would do if she leaned back and you were behind her.  That was overt in the wording.) there should be absolutely no problem.  Seeing these kind of threads here makes me want Bioware team to include that option just to spite the creators of these threads.  If the argument was more logical, I wouldn't have the same opinion, but most of the arguments against the same-sex relationships are just plain ******-phobic.

[ReDSH1FT]

Deviija wrote...

There is no reason why Gay Shepard should not be included in ME3, other than the devs not putting it in. Those that are making the claim that Shepard cannot be gay suddenly because he is Shepard? I'd like to point you to FemShep and Kelly. If we are to believe in the BioWare exposition that Asari/FemShep relations are not F/F because they are not 'female,' then the relationship with Kelly allows for FemSheps to 'suddenly' become bisexual or lesbian in the series with a HUMAN. There is no refuting that.

Considering that Kaidan was originally going to be a m/m option, and the rumors that Thane/DudeShep romance lines were discovered in ME2, I do not find issue with Shepard having a m/m option in ME3 out of the ordinary at all. It is completely within the Shepard character to be because of the planning stages including Kaidan as m/m. That Kaidan is now strictly straight does not mean that Shepard has to be strictly hetero or lesbian or xenophilic. That a m/m option has not yet presented itself also does not mean that Shepard cannot be gay.

You're just inferencing what you want out of nothing.  There is no m/m option.  There hasn't been.  There shouldn't be one in ME3.  

There is no way for Shepard to all of a sudden go ****** in ME3, when all his options were clearly straight in ME1 and ME2.  

Those are your options.  Space player Shepard that chases after skirts more often than he should, or mission focused Shepard that doesn't have time for a relationship because of the whole end-of-the-galaxy thing going on.

You don't get option C.  It would ruin the entire character.  Deal with it.

[YakoHako]

I didn't really care before, but now I hope they add in the option just to ****** you off, you intolerant jackass.

[CRISIS1717]

Have Bioware Social members never seen a troll before?

[Drakron]

Clova wrote...

Possibly because if you play as a Femshep, you get female options. it would be one thing if they didnt allow M/M AND F/F , but they arnt.  If they wanted shepard to be soley straight, they wouldnt let us have F/F options

Well Liara is not a female, at least the Asari are a nonogender race so they have no concept of gender even if typicaly they are viewed as female by other species..

In short, LOOPHOLE!

[ReDSH1FT]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Yeah, Bioware decided Shepard to be straight. Sure it's your Shepard, but you're still Shepard a character that you can choose several... "molds" and him/her being straight seems to be one of those.

So I can choose whether Shephard is a Biotic or a Tech Expert, whether Shephard is male or female, whether he grew up on Earth or millions of light years away, whether his entire life experiences lead him to survive an attack by Thresher Maws or whether his military career brought him forward to lead an assault on Pirates on Torfun, hell I can shape his entire personality, I can even shape whether he's interested in bald chicks, a nice ass, or a cute quarian, but the ONLY things constant is his last name, that he saves the galaxy, and that he's straight. 

Ok. 

It's just a story design they made and I highly doubt they reverse their decision halfway. Wait, way past halfway. Anyway, they are making ME3 as soon as ME2 went out, I'd be highly surprised they'd go over some design choices they made and did not changed in the last game of the series. That would be just... weird.

Yes.  Exactly what I'm trying to say.

If Shepard had ****** options from the start, then it would be fine.  But since he didn't, it makes no LOGICAL sense to change it.

[Clova]

CRISIS: Possibly, but his latest post is more rational, and uses reasoning thats based on something other than personal belief, and is therefore something i can respect if not agree with. I wish this had been his original post, as the original came off as more...hateful.

[Kolaris8472]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Deviija wrote...

There is no reason why Gay Shepard should not be included in ME3, other than the devs not putting it in. Those that are making the claim that Shepard cannot be gay suddenly because he is Shepard? I'd like to point you to FemShep and Kelly. If we are to believe in the BioWare exposition that Asari/FemShep relations are not F/F because they are not 'female,' then the relationship with Kelly allows for FemSheps to 'suddenly' become bisexual or lesbian in the series with a HUMAN. There is no refuting that.

Considering that Kaidan was originally going to be a m/m option, and the rumors that Thane/DudeShep romance lines were discovered in ME2, I do not find issue with Shepard having a m/m option in ME3 out of the ordinary at all. It is completely within the Shepard character to be because of the planning stages including Kaidan as m/m. That Kaidan is now strictly straight does not mean that Shepard has to be strictly hetero or lesbian or xenophilic. That a m/m option has not yet presented itself also does not mean that Shepard cannot be gay.

You're just inferencing what you want out of nothing.  There is no m/m option.  There hasn't been.  There shouldn't be one in ME3.  

There is no way for Shepard to all of a sudden go ****** in ME3, when all his options were clearly straight in ME1 and ME2.  

Those are your options.  Space player Shepard that chases after skirts more often than he should, or mission focused Shepard that doesn't have time for a relationship because of the whole end-of-the-galaxy thing going on.

You don't get option C.  It would ruin the entire character.  Deal with it.

It would ruin character A. 

A. Not B. It would work with B. But that's part of your problem, you haven't played a B-type character, hate option C, so don't even want to see it considered despite not interfering with character A whatsoever. 

[Kwonnern]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.

But think about this.

Shepard has been straight so far. He's romanced hot chicks, hot alien chicks, and would probably romance EDI given the chance.

How the **** can you justify him turning gay all of a sudden in ME3?

What, did the Lazarus project mess up a wire or two?

Maybe Person X played the game differently than you?

For person x he may be gay (never shagged birds, neither in ME1 nor ME2 for example), while for person y he might be of another disposition.

Thus, his disposition would be canon/true (this is how Shep is), but the canon would be different for different people.

That's what's so great with these games, there are many different ways to play your character.

Modifié par Kwonnern, 06 février 2010 - 09:47 .

[Orogenic]

Clova wrote...

Actually, Im a Texan that belongs in the middle of the spectrum. Too much P.C is one thing, but outright saying something that offends a whole people is another.

Finding homosexuality offensive is akin to finding darker skin tone offensive.

It is ignorant and hateful, and it is (thankfully) starting to be appropriately regarded as such.

People have the right to believe whatever they wish, but voicing prejudicial and hateful ideas is essentially criminal and should be handled accordingly.

You want to keep homosexuality "in the closet?" Well guess what.. I'd like to see all religious beliefs kept "in the closet."  It isn't going to happen.  We have to learn to live with and RESPECT eachothers' differences.

[Clova]

Drakron wrote...

Clova wrote...

Possibly because if you play as a Femshep, you get female options. it would be one thing if they didnt allow M/M AND F/F , but they arnt.  If they wanted shepard to be soley straight, they wouldnt let us have F/F options

Well Liara is not a female, at least the Asari are a nonogender race so they have no concept of gender even if typicaly they are viewed as female by other species..

In short, LOOPHOLE!

\\but...but...TALI!

[ReDSH1FT]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Have Bioware Social members never seen a troll before?

Of course, go against the consensus and you're "trolling."  I guess homos petitioning for same sex marriage are trolling too by that logic.

Do you own yourself like that on purpose or was it an accident?

[Kolaris8472]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Yeah, Bioware decided Shepard to be straight. Sure it's your Shepard, but you're still Shepard a character that you can choose several... "molds" and him/her being straight seems to be one of those.

So I can choose whether Shephard is a Biotic or a Tech Expert, whether Shephard is male or female, whether he grew up on Earth or millions of light years away, whether his entire life experiences lead him to survive an attack by Thresher Maws or whether his military career brought him forward to lead an assault on Pirates on Torfun, hell I can shape his entire personality, I can even shape whether he's interested in bald chicks, a nice ass, or a cute quarian, but the ONLY things constant is his last name, that he saves the galaxy, and that he's straight. 

Ok. 

It's just a story design they made and I highly doubt they reverse their decision halfway. Wait, way past halfway. Anyway, they are making ME3 as soon as ME2 went out, I'd be highly surprised they'd go over some design choices they made and did not changed in the last game of the series. That would be just... weird.

Yes.  Exactly what I'm trying to say.

If Shepard had ****** options from the start, then it would be fine.  But since he didn't, it makes no LOGICAL sense to change it.

That's not what you're saying at all. He's saying he'd be surprised if it happened. Hell, I would to. You're saying it shouldn't happen, and giving no compelling reason beyond "I wouldn't like it". Big difference. 

[Clova]

Oro: Owwies. idnt think i said something bad.

[Orogenic]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Have Bioware Social members never seen a troll before?

Troll or not, silence on this topic amounts to tacit approval.

There is a moral imperative here.. good people are required to respond.

[DaeJi]

Gay Shepard is hot.

[Endurance_117]

ya'll mad?

[Valcutio]

So, Shepard didn't date a guy for the first 2 games but in the third he starts? Makes no sense. He's clearly able to hook up with guys before the third game so why hasn't he? He's not able to be gay, just like he's not able to sprout a third leg out of the middle of his head.



If Bioware were to ever impliment gay shepard in ME3 it would purely be for shock value. And it would do no favors to the lore of the universe. Infact, it would hurt the lore.

[ReDSH1FT]

Clova wrote...

CRISIS: Possibly, but his latest post is more rational, and uses reasoning thats based on something other than personal belief, and is therefore something i can respect if not agree with. I wish this had been his original post, as the original came off as more...hateful.

Ok, sorry if I sounded hateful.  I'm really not a nice person generally, so I don't usually come off PC.  I think my Shepard in ME2 has the scars and glowy eyes to confirm it.  I can't even play paragon without turning off my xbox.

Anyway.  My argument is strictly plot related, not personal.  I've said this lots of times.  He can't just switch like that.  He's been a space player the whole series so far.  If it was different from the start, then it wouldn't be an issue at all.

Thats about as calm and non hateful as I can word the argument.

[Kolaris8472]

Valcutio wrote...

So, Shepard didn't date a guy for the first 2 games but in the third he starts? Makes no sense. He's clearly able to hook up with guys before the third game so why hasn't he? He's not able to be gay, just like he's not able to sprout a third leg out of the middle of his head.

If Bioware were to ever impliment gay shepard in ME3 it would purely be for shock value. And it would do no favors to the lore of the universe. Infact, it would hurt the lore.

It would not hurt the lore. 

My Shephard hasn't romanced anyone through 2 playthroughs. It would be just as out of character for him to romance a female in ME3, going by your logic. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Redshift, have you thought about stating your opinion in a way that DOES NOT make you look like an intolerant jerk? You don't want gay stuff in ME3, fine, but you went beyond the call of duty and starting being insulting and aggressive for no reason.

[ReDSH1FT]

Valcutio wrote...

So, Shepard didn't date a guy for the first 2 games but in the third he starts? Makes no sense. He's clearly able to hook up with guys before the third game so why hasn't he? He's not able to be gay, just like he's not able to sprout a third leg out of the middle of his head.

If Bioware were to ever impliment gay shepard in ME3 it would purely be for shock value. And it would do no favors to the lore of the universe. Infact, it would hurt the lore.

This post has a lot of merit.

This is what I've been saying.

[Orogenic]

Endurance_117 wrote...

ya'll mad?

More like deeply amused..

I LOVE a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent....

[Cat Lance]

So, what Redshift, no responces to those of us on the first page who made the valid point that an individuals Shepard need not have ever romanced a woman?

[Drakron]

Kolaris8472 wrote...
 He's saying he'd be surprised if it happened.

Me? Not really, its called "the closet".

Maybe MaleShep is just trying to deny his sexual tendacies, that is why he started a relationship with Ashley in ME1 and since she was out of the picture in ME2 he had to keep the facade and started a relation with Miranda in ME2.

Sad really ...  he sould just come out as it just hurts people.

Modifié par Drakron, 06 février 2010 - 09:54 .