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[JamesMoriarty123]

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Thats the funny thing, all that intellect means **** all when someone runs up to you and nuts you. Clever words and a MASSIVE sense of self righteousness aren't going to reset your nose.

Acting a hardman over the internet is a good way to make everyone discard your opinion on everything.

What I'm saying is fact. People change their opinion awful fast when it gets physical. Obviously because we are on the net here that's not gonna happen. The fact is if this was a conversation in a pub, most of the people on here would have STF.U by now.

I don't consider this whole thread sufficient reason to assault anyone.  I could easily have a debate like this in real life and be in no danger of going on a murderous rampage.  No one I know would assault someone over this debate either.  I find it kind of scary that you appeal to physical violence to "solve" arguments.  I guess I don't associate with the kind of people that think that's appropriate.  I'm certainly glad I'm on the other side of the internet.  

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

[illerianna]

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Thats the funny thing, all that intellect means **** all when someone runs up to you and nuts you. Clever words and a MASSIVE sense of self righteousness aren't going to reset your nose.

Acting a hardman over the internet is a good way to make everyone discard your opinion on everything.

What I'm saying is fact. People change their opinion awful fast when it gets physical. Obviously because we are on the net here that's not gonna happen. The fact is if this was a conversation in a pub, most of the people on here would have STF.U by now.

I don't consider this whole thread sufficient reason to assault anyone.  I could easily have a debate like this in real life and be in no danger of going on a murderous rampage.  No one I know would assault someone over this debate either.  I find it kind of scary that you appeal to physical violence to "solve" arguments.  I guess I don't associate with the kind of people that think that's appropriate.  I'm certainly glad I'm on the other side of the internet.  

BuT iT maeks us HaRdCoRe!!!11!!!11111!!!11

[John Forseti]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Oh wait...

She's another hetero romance.

And? She wasn't an option before. Now she is. Gaymance wasn't an option before, now it might be.


Would your enjoyment of the game really be ruined if you thought someone, somewhere made a gay Shepard? All you'd have to do is press no if the option turns up and you don't have to look at it, and can carry on having a perfectly straight Shepard.

If the developpers don't implement it, fine. If they do, fine. But to actively campaign against it and say it makes no sense is just utter rubbish.

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

Apparently violence is necessary when someone just disagrees with you.  I'm afraid you're beyond redemption. 

I see now why you have such a resentment against intelligence.  

[Endurance_117]

John Forseti wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Oh wait...

She's another hetero romance.

And? She wasn't an option before. Now she is. Gaymance wasn't an option before, now it might be.


Would your enjoyment of the game really be ruined if you thought someone, somewhere made a gay Shepard? All you'd have to do is press no if the option turns up and you don't have to look at it, and can carry on having a perfectly straight Shepard.

If the developpers don't implement it, fine. If they do, fine. But to actively campaign against it and say it makes no sense is just utter rubbish.

Bioware said they can campaign against it, sorry

[Ziggeh]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

If they add a ****** character that's FINE, as long as you can't be ****** with him.

Or, they could just insult gay gamers right to their face.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the relationship between the option being available and the option being forced upon folk. For example, in real life, many sexual relations are an available option, but I find its something thats rarely forced upon me.

[John Forseti]

Endurance_117 wrote...


Bioware said they can campaign against it, sorry

Did I say they couldn't? I just said it was rubbish to do so.

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Thats the funny thing, all that intellect means **** all when someone runs up to you and nuts you. Clever words and a MASSIVE sense of self righteousness aren't going to reset your nose.

Acting a hardman over the internet is a good way to make everyone discard your opinion on everything.

What I'm saying is fact. People change their opinion awful fast when it gets physical. Obviously because we are on the net here that's not gonna happen. The fact is if this was a conversation in a pub, most of the people on here would have STF.U by now.

I don't consider this whole thread sufficient reason to assault anyone.  I could easily have a debate like this in real life and be in no danger of going on a murderous rampage.  No one I know would assault someone over this debate either.  I find it kind of scary that you appeal to physical violence to "solve" arguments.  I guess I don't associate with the kind of people that think that's appropriate.  I'm certainly glad I'm on the other side of the internet.  

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

I feel genuine pity reading this.

I can respect people being resilient, however throwing yourself into a fight rather than walking away is a culture I'm glad I dont involve myself in. Sadly it seems to be becoming more prevalent than anything, not good for a society thats supposedly advancing.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 07 février 2010 - 02:35 .

[Kreid]

AlanC9 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

It is implausible, male Shepard is portrayed as a confident 29 years old male, if he was interested in men he would have at least hinted about it in ME2, he doesn't, yet he shows a tanglible interest in women and alien-looking women, logical conclusion is...?

I'll bite. In which conversation would he have hinted about not being straight? In which conversation is Shepard forced to express an interest in women whether the player wishes him to or not?

I don't need any conversation evidence, the fact that you can sleep with women as male Shepard and not men is proof enough,

Dude, make up your mind. Dialogs can't be both irrelevant and proof of Shepard's straightness at the same time.

You're just not very good at this. Leave it to professionals like Redshirt. Edit: sorry about getting the handle wrong.

Since you are having trouble getting this, I'll spell it out for you.
You can have sex with women as male Shepard? Yes, you can
You can't have sex with males? no, you cannot.
Why?
tip-it isn't because the rest of the crew  Kaidan/Jacob/Thane/Garrus are hetero and your Shepard is gay that is your baseless razionalization.
Works for you? great
However the reality is this male Shepard cannot have sex/relationships with other males because he was designed to be heterosexual, M/M relationships were consciously erradicated from the procces of development because it was decided male commander Shepard would be heterosexual not bisexual, not homosexual and no matter how many fantasies your create while roleplaying this fact won't change, do you understand?
Also, Bioware did make female Shepard bisexual on purpose in both games and that is why gay female Shepard is plausibly homosexual and male Shepard is not.
get.it.through.your.head.
end of the line.
pd:I may not very good at this but you surely aren't any better you don't even have proper arguments.

[ReDSH1FT]

John Forseti wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Oh wait...

She's another hetero romance.

And? She wasn't an option before. Now she is. Gaymance wasn't an option before, now it might be.


Would your enjoyment of the game really be ruined if you thought someone, somewhere made a gay Shepard? All you'd have to do is press no if the option turns up and you don't have to look at it, and can carry on having a perfectly straight Shepard.

If the developpers don't implement it, fine. If they do, fine. But to actively campaign against it and say it makes no sense is just utter rubbish.

Right, utter rubbish when I express my opinion, but as long as it's in the "fad" category it's cool.  Homos are making active pushes for stuff all over the country, and that's fine, whatever I don't care.  But when a group of homos tries to get the main character for my favorite game changed, then I'm gonna bite back.

It's not just about pressing no if the option comes up.  The option shouldn't be there at all.  Why is Shepard having these thoughts all of a sudden?  

No dude.  Not in my house.  I'm gonna voice out against the hundreds of other posters on here that support it.  If you think dissenting opinions are bad, then w/e bud.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

Apparently violence is necessary when someone just disagrees with you.  I'm afraid you're beyond redemption. 

I see now why you have such a resentment against intelligence.  

Good thing I don't care about how people like you judge me. I'm not an unintelligent person, I have my Medical Science degree, but I know what it is to be working class. You obviously don't.
I bet you've never done a day's hard graft in your life? Lol, yet you have the nerve to belittle people who you obviously assume are beneath you.
Like I said, if were in the same room, you'd have had your head kicked in by now. No question about it.

[JamesMoriarty123]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

John Forseti wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Oh wait...

She's another hetero romance.

And? She wasn't an option before. Now she is. Gaymance wasn't an option before, now it might be.


Would your enjoyment of the game really be ruined if you thought someone, somewhere made a gay Shepard? All you'd have to do is press no if the option turns up and you don't have to look at it, and can carry on having a perfectly straight Shepard.

If the developpers don't implement it, fine. If they do, fine. But to actively campaign against it and say it makes no sense is just utter rubbish.

Right, utter rubbish when I express my opinion, but as long as it's in the "fad" category it's cool.  Homos are making active pushes for stuff all over the country, and that's fine, whatever I don't care.  But when a group of homos tries to get the main character for my favorite game changed, then I'm gonna bite back.

It's not just about pressing no if the option comes up.  The option shouldn't be there at all.  Why is Shepard having these thoughts all of a sudden?  

No dude.  Not in my house.  I'm gonna voice out against the hundreds of other posters on here that support it.  If you think dissenting opinions are bad, then w/e bud.

I'm with you all the way buddy.

[ReDSH1FT]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

If they add a ****** character that's FINE, as long as you can't be ****** with him.

Or, they could just insult gay gamers right to their face.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the relationship between the option being available and the option being forced upon folk. For example, in real life, many sexual relations are an available option, but I find its something thats rarely forced upon me.

See?  That's just it.  Anything that you homos decree as not following your standards, you deem it an insult to ****** gamers everywhere!  

My god you are arrogant.  Get off your high horse, or make it get off you, I don't know what it is you do..

Flirting with a guy is never an option in my playbook.  It's obviously not in Shepards either.  Putting the ****** in him is a waste of development time.

[Kreid]

Tali is humanoid and has female attributes that is good enough to become a male Shepard romance, doesn't mean in any ways that it would make sense to introduce a homosexual romance suddenly.

[Endurance_117]

John Forseti wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...


Bioware said they can campaign against it, sorry

Did I say they couldn't? I just said it was rubbish to do so.

Why is it rubbish?

[AlanC9]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

It is implausible, male Shepard is portrayed as a confident 29 years old male, if he was interested in men he would have at least hinted about it in ME2, he doesn't, yet he shows a tanglible interest in women and alien-looking women, logical conclusion is...?

I'll bite. In which conversation would he have hinted about not being straight? In which conversation is Shepard forced to express an interest in women whether the player wishes him to or not?

I don't need any conversation evidence, the fact that you can sleep with women as male Shepard and not men is proof enough,

Dude, make up your mind. Dialogs can't be both irrelevant and proof of Shepard's straightness at the same time.

You're just not very good at this. Leave it to professionals like Redshirt.

Creid-X makes thought out posts, more thought out then most of the people on here, that's pretty much agreed upon.  Maybe you should think twice before being so dismissive.

Agreed to by who? First he claims that Shepard would have hinted at being gay if he was gay, and that he shows interest in women regardless of the player's intent. When asked to provide evidence of this claim, he decides that he doesn't need evidence because it's somehow obvious.

You're really going to bat for this as being thought-out?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Trying to explain it to these ******'s is just making me want to hit someone...maybe there's some Krogan blood in me?

[illerianna]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

If they add a ****** character that's FINE, as long as you can't be ****** with him.

Or, they could just insult gay gamers right to their face.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the relationship between the option being available and the option being forced upon folk. For example, in real life, many sexual relations are an available option, but I find its something thats rarely forced upon me.

See?  That's just it.  Anything that you homos decree as not following your standards, you deem it an insult to ****** gamers everywhere!  

My god you are arrogant.  Get off your high horse, or make it get off you, I don't know what it is you do..

Flirting with a guy is never an option in my playbook.  It's obviously not in Shepards either.  Putting the ****** in him is a waste of development time.

And you're calling him arrogant? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

"My Shep doesn't want that option, so it is fact! I win, you suck, NEENER NEENER."

Oh god, my ribs. They hurt.

[PyroFreak301]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

ziggehunderslash wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

If they add a ****** character that's FINE, as long as you can't be ****** with him.

Or, they could just insult gay gamers right to their face.

I'm not sure I'm seeing the relationship between the option being available and the option being forced upon folk. For example, in real life, many sexual relations are an available option, but I find its something thats rarely forced upon me.

See?  That's just it.  Anything that you homos decree as not following your standards, you deem it an insult to ****** gamers everywhere!  

My god you are arrogant.  Get off your high horse, or make it get off you, I don't know what it is you do..

Flirting with a guy is never an option in my playbook.  It's obviously not in Shepards either.  Putting the ****** in him is a waste of development time.

How can you not see your own hypocrisy?

Anything you dont find agreeable is inherently wrong and therefore should be kept out of the game?

If flirting with a guy is not an option for you, you dont have to select the option! You're really campaigning what comes down for a "No." on a dialogue wheel for you, compared to another group of gamers that gives them a huge amount of customisation for THEIR Shepard?

[Creature 1]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Good thing I don't care about how people like you judge me. I'm not an unintelligent person, I have my Medical Science degree,

Have a cookie?

but I know what it is to be working class. You obviously don't.

So true.  Have another cookie. 

I bet you've never done a day's hard graft in your life?

Not sure what this means.  Not being working class doesn't mean you don't work.  You just utilize a different skill set.

Lol, yet you have the nerve to belittle people who you obviously assume are beneath you.

It's become amply evident that you are beneath me. 

Like I said, if were in the same room, you'd have had your head kicked in by now. No question about it.

Yes, this so much persuades me that you are not beneath me. . . 

[ReDSH1FT]

AlanC9 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

It is implausible, male Shepard is portrayed as a confident 29 years old male, if he was interested in men he would have at least hinted about it in ME2, he doesn't, yet he shows a tanglible interest in women and alien-looking women, logical conclusion is...?

I'll bite. In which conversation would he have hinted about not being straight? In which conversation is Shepard forced to express an interest in women whether the player wishes him to or not?

I don't need any conversation evidence, the fact that you can sleep with women as male Shepard and not men is proof enough,

Dude, make up your mind. Dialogs can't be both irrelevant and proof of Shepard's straightness at the same time.

You're just not very good at this. Leave it to professionals like Redshirt.

Creid-X makes thought out posts, more thought out then most of the people on here, that's pretty much agreed upon.  Maybe you should think twice before being so dismissive.

Agreed to by who? First he claims that Shepard would have hinted at being gay if he was gay, and that he shows interest in women regardless of the player's intent. When asked to provide evidence of this claim, he decides that he doesn't need evidence because it's somehow obvious.

You're really going to bat for this as being thought-out?

Alan, he makes sense.  If he posited his argument in a wrong way, that's unfortunate, but he still makes a valid point.  

If you want, forget the story, forget the narrative options exist for heteros, look at the development of the game.  Dragon Age has put in a ****** romance.  Mass Effect, a game made by the same people, has not put this in.  This would mean that they are vesting into the franchise big, and making a solid main character have certain things he can and can't do.

They once stated that Shepard will save the galaxy, one way or the other.  He can do it the nice way or the bad bass way.  He cannot however, not save the galaxy.

See what I'm saying?

The game has been laid out, the pawns are in place, and things are moving.  Shepard can go about his romances in various ways, none that include the ****** option.

Changing the game this late would be catastrophic to cementing a rugged male straight hero that's the star of almost every franchise.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Well, I think I'm going to be off enjoying me NONGAY Mass Effect games until my next NONGAY Mass Effect game comes out.



This thread will be a repeat machine now, its been talked to death.

Fact is, majority rules. I'm pretty confident we won't see any gay romance. Shepherd is too bad ass to be a bender.



Peace out. Whatever Redshift says, chances are good I'm in agreement. Him and Cried only ones making any sense here.

[Kreid]

AlanC9 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

It is implausible, male Shepard is portrayed as a confident 29 years old male, if he was interested in men he would have at least hinted about it in ME2, he doesn't, yet he shows a tanglible interest in women and alien-looking women, logical conclusion is...?

I'll bite. In which conversation would he have hinted about not being straight? In which conversation is Shepard forced to express an interest in women whether the player wishes him to or not?

I don't need any conversation evidence, the fact that you can sleep with women as male Shepard and not men is proof enough,

Dude, make up your mind. Dialogs can't be both irrelevant and proof of Shepard's straightness at the same time.

You're just not very good at this. Leave it to professionals like Redshirt.

Creid-X makes thought out posts, more thought out then most of the people on here, that's pretty much agreed upon.  Maybe you should think twice before being so dismissive.

Agreed to by who? First he claims that Shepard would have hinted at being gay if he was gay, and that he shows interest in women regardless of the player's intent. When asked to provide evidence of this claim, he decides that he doesn't need evidence because it's somehow obvious.

You're really going to bat for this as being thought-out?

Because I don't need evidence the simple fact that you can sleep with women and not men is enough proof of the reality of the situation, if you want to keep thinking Shepard is gay and everyone is giving him the cold shoulder you are welcome along with your fairies and tiaras but my point stands.
btw having a very casual convo with Samara Shepard suggest that "someone might someday appear in her life that will make her experience love again" while giving his "sexay time" smile, this doesn't happen with Garrus, Jacob, or Thane ever , and last time I looked Asari look like females.

[John Forseti]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Right, utter rubbish when I express my opinion, but as long as it's in the "fad" category it's cool.  Homos are making active pushes for stuff all over the country, and that's fine, whatever I don't care.  But when a group of homos tries to get the main character for my favorite game changed, then I'm gonna bite back.

It's not just about pressing no if the option comes up.  The option shouldn't be there at all.  Why is Shepard having these thoughts all of a sudden?  

No dude.  Not in my house.  I'm gonna voice out against the hundreds of other posters on here that support it.  If you think dissenting opinions are bad, then w/e bud.

Having an opinion doesn't mean you don't have to defend it, and so far you've failed to do so.


The very nature of the game makes a gay or bisexual male Shepard entirely plausible. The main character is pretty much a blank slate until you the player comes along and starts filling stuff in. There is no set main character beyond the name Shepard. Just because the option hasn't appeared so far, it doesn't follow that the option should not be available.