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[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

illerianna wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

illerianna wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I really dont understand all this argue. Its not about discrimination. There is no discrimination here. If the concept and story of ME allowed male Shepard to be gay, im sure they would have made that option available. However its really hard for me to imagine a gay hero, who saves the whole damn galaxy. Im sorry if im insulting anyone, but there's no such thing. It doesnt exist. It simply doesnt cut it. And if those gay options were to appear in ME3, the homosexual ppl will be happy, but almost everyone else will be annoyed and disappointed. This would pretty much ruin the whole "epicsavingthegalaxy" experience for me. Knowing that there is this option there that if i click on i can get some butt action for my Sheppie. I dont want to even think about it. 

And it would be a terrible PR move. How would they build up a big sci fi franchise if the protagonist suddenly becomse gay. Accept that the universe of Mass Effect is created like this. This is what we have and in this universe, male Shepard cannot be gay. Im sure that in future projects there could be some other character that may have such options. But not Shepard.

Shepard is an icon! Im sorry but i dont want to imagine this icon bending down with no pants and a horny black dude charging for his behinds.

Ah, stereotypes. I love you so, so much.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.
And he's right, it would be a terrible PR move.

That's why the ACLU would be on my ass so quickly if I made a fried chicken joke to a black guy. I'm sure they'd understand all stereotypes MUST be true.

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen

But what about slavery jokes? Those are okay right? 

Haven't heard one, care to enlighten me with your wisdom 

[ReDSH1FT]

ziggehunderslash wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
My god you are arrogant.  Get off your high horse, or make it get off you, I don't know what it is you do..

Flirting with a guy is never an option in my playbook.  It's obviously not in Shepards either.  Putting the ****** in him is a waste of development time..

Putting "******" into the game would increase the emotional weight, and add value for gay gamers and women playing as men. In the same way Kelly dancing was decent if cheap value for me playing a female shepard. (I'm not actually homosexual, or indeed into bestiality, I just have capacity for rational thought.)

Would you, just as an example, let people die to achieve a goal? I'm pretty sure thats something I would avoid, personal ethics you understand. It's not an option in, as you say, my playbook. Yet it's in Shepards.

From this we can conclude: Shepard is not me. I would add further to this statement: Shepard is not you either.

Lets be honest here, I'm sure there is all sorts of beating around the bush and vague justification, but its not that you don't feel Shepard could not be gay, because "Shepard" is an artificial construct upon which we're imposing personality traits, nasty/nice being the better example. Saying that he's like this or that is non sensical because he's niether until the player decides he/she is. And its not as if the option being there means, implies or demands that he secretly likes guys/girls, because you don't assume Shepard both saved and shot some guy just because both options were there. The premise of the OP is a logical failure.

So really, and I apologise if I'm wildly off base here, but I feel given your all purpose derogatory use of the word "******", its probably safe to say, you just don't like homosexuality as a concept and feel that its use in any medium is a bad thing.

That's fair enough. It's your opinion. It's bigoted and unpleasant, but hey, no ones perfect. I'm arrogant and condescending, for example.

Dude, who the **** cares about ****** gamers?  Besides other homos I mean.  

Noooooobodddyyyy

[illerianna]

Endurance_117 wrote...

illerianna wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

illerianna wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I really dont understand all this argue. Its not about discrimination. There is no discrimination here. If the concept and story of ME allowed male Shepard to be gay, im sure they would have made that option available. However its really hard for me to imagine a gay hero, who saves the whole damn galaxy. Im sorry if im insulting anyone, but there's no such thing. It doesnt exist. It simply doesnt cut it. And if those gay options were to appear in ME3, the homosexual ppl will be happy, but almost everyone else will be annoyed and disappointed. This would pretty much ruin the whole "epicsavingthegalaxy" experience for me. Knowing that there is this option there that if i click on i can get some butt action for my Sheppie. I dont want to even think about it. 

And it would be a terrible PR move. How would they build up a big sci fi franchise if the protagonist suddenly becomse gay. Accept that the universe of Mass Effect is created like this. This is what we have and in this universe, male Shepard cannot be gay. Im sure that in future projects there could be some other character that may have such options. But not Shepard.

Shepard is an icon! Im sorry but i dont want to imagine this icon bending down with no pants and a horny black dude charging for his behinds.

Ah, stereotypes. I love you so, so much.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.
And he's right, it would be a terrible PR move.

That's why the ACLU would be on my ass so quickly if I made a fried chicken joke to a black guy. I'm sure they'd understand all stereotypes MUST be true.

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen

Eh. It can happen. I could re-word it to say "beaten up by a black guy" if it makes you feel better.

I'm not American, or black. Not all people who enjoy a spot of violence are.
But all gay guys give or take it up the ass, with or without their pants down.
So stfu?

Which you obviously have some issue with that is deeply concerning.

As one poster somewhere on these forums so perfectly said:

"Anyone who takes up a hate campaign against something obviously has much deeper issues than the problem itself."

We get it. You have issues. Go cry on Conservapedia. Are you afraid you might LIKE it if a gay guy hits on you in game?

Hey, that's a homophobe stereotype! But all stereotypes exist for a reason.

Although I assume you'll just pull out your thesaurus and assult me with large words and threats if it makes you feel cool. Rock on, little man. Rock on. <3

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Thats the funny thing, all that intellect means **** all when someone runs up to you and nuts you. Clever words and a MASSIVE sense of self righteousness aren't going to reset your nose.

Acting a hardman over the internet is a good way to make everyone discard your opinion on everything.

What I'm saying is fact. People change their opinion awful fast when it gets physical. Obviously because we are on the net here that's not gonna happen. The fact is if this was a conversation in a pub, most of the people on here would have STF.U by now.

I don't consider this whole thread sufficient reason to assault anyone.  I could easily have a debate like this in real life and be in no danger of going on a murderous rampage.  No one I know would assault someone over this debate either.  I find it kind of scary that you appeal to physical violence to "solve" arguments.  I guess I don't associate with the kind of people that think that's appropriate.  I'm certainly glad I'm on the other side of the internet.  

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

I feel genuine pity reading this.

I can respect people being resilient, however throwing yourself into a fight rather than walking away is a culture I'm glad I dont involve myself in. Sadly it seems to be becoming more prevalent than anything, not good for a society thats supposedly advancing.

All that proves is that you're a yellow sack of **** without the spine god gave ya...bet you got bullied at school too...

You've just succeeded in making yourself sound even MORE like a moron, congratulations.

People like you aren't even worth talking to. You're closed minded, arrogant and are too quick to rely on violence when your craptastic attempts at logic fail. We can also add worthless assumptions to that list now.

The fact is you're only fighting this because the thought of homosexuals in the game makes you uncomfortable, and as much as I'd love to pseudo-psychoanalyze the reasons why you're so uncomfortable about it I think I'll pass.

Your opinions on gay people are outdated and hypocritical, the sooner you reaslise this the better. And you should stop trying to argue against a gay option being put into the game when you're reasoning boils down to "coz gays are wrong". You clearly are NOT in the majority, and people like Red calling everyone that doesn't agree with him ******'s doesn't help your case.

People don't care if someones gay or not, nor are they offended by the option should it present itself. The sooner you catch up the better.

[Amikae]

Some people here have to understand that its not always about what we want. ME didnt just drop off the sky. The game was created, the story was writted, there is a concept. There are AUTHORS. I would love very much for everyone to be happy with the game. But the fact is that there are things that can happen and things that cannot happen. If you play a LotR based RPG, you cant say you want Aragorn to be gay. He cant be. He cant be because he was never meant to be. Male Shepard has a purpose in the ME universe. And its not in our hands to decide whats possible and whats not for him. You cant make demands like this. Its for the creators of Mass Effect to decide this. And some people here need to show some respect for the people who brought up this incredible game.

Modifié par Amikae, 07 février 2010 - 03:10 .

[Ziggeh]

Creid-X wrote...

To be perfectly clear again, because I think this is getting messy, I am not against a gay romance option like in DA:O, I am against making the already established heterosexual male Shepard suddenly interested in guys in ME3

Would it be okay if you had avoided all romantic envolvement up to that point, and "suddenly" took an interest in guys? Or had always been into guys, but the pressure of living in a morally backwards society made him overcompensate with a series of brief and meaningless female sexual relationships, but having met a man he deeply cares for is finally forced to face his sexually identity?

Because I bet neither of those ever happen.

[Ziggeh]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
Dude, who the **** cares about ****** gamers?  Besides other homos I mean.  

Noooooobodddyyyy

Well, you have me in the crushing vice of reason there.

[JamesMoriarty123]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Thats the funny thing, all that intellect means **** all when someone runs up to you and nuts you. Clever words and a MASSIVE sense of self righteousness aren't going to reset your nose.

Acting a hardman over the internet is a good way to make everyone discard your opinion on everything.

What I'm saying is fact. People change their opinion awful fast when it gets physical. Obviously because we are on the net here that's not gonna happen. The fact is if this was a conversation in a pub, most of the people on here would have STF.U by now.

I don't consider this whole thread sufficient reason to assault anyone.  I could easily have a debate like this in real life and be in no danger of going on a murderous rampage.  No one I know would assault someone over this debate either.  I find it kind of scary that you appeal to physical violence to "solve" arguments.  I guess I don't associate with the kind of people that think that's appropriate.  I'm certainly glad I'm on the other side of the internet.  

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

I feel genuine pity reading this.

I can respect people being resilient, however throwing yourself into a fight rather than walking away is a culture I'm glad I dont involve myself in. Sadly it seems to be becoming more prevalent than anything, not good for a society thats supposedly advancing.

All that proves is that you're a yellow sack of **** without the spine god gave ya...bet you got bullied at school too...

You've just succeeded in making yourself sound even MORE like a moron, congratulations.

People like you aren't even worth talking to. You're closed minded, arrogant and are too quick to rely on violence when your craptastic attempts at logic fail. We can also add worthless assumptions to that list now.

The fact is you're only fighting this because the thought of homosexuals in the game makes you uncomfortable, and as much as I'd love to pseudo-psychoanalyze the reasons why you're so uncomfortable about it I think I'll pass.

Your opinions on gay people are outdated and hypocritical, the sooner you reaslise this the better. And you should stop trying to argue against a gay option being put into the game when you're reasoning boils down to "coz gays are wrong". You clearly are NOT in the majority, and people like Red calling everyone that doesn't agree with him ******'s doesn't help your case.

People don't care if someones gay or not, nor are they offended by the option should it present itself. The sooner you catch up the better.

As if I give a **** what you think man? Go get bent. Oh...my bad.
Yeah, I don't want gay men in the game, I already said that. And chances are good that there won't be. If I'm not worth replying to then ****** off you gutless wonder.

EDIT : Musta hit a nerve with that bullying comment. Hey man, kids can be cruel. Sorry you had it so tough.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 03:12 .

[illerianna]

Amikae wrote...

Some people here have to understand that its not always about what we want. ME didnt just drop off the sky. The games was created, the story was writted, there is a concept. There are AUTHORS. I would love very much for everyone to be happy with the game. But the fact is that there are things that can happen and things that cannot happen. If you play a LotR based RPG, you cant say you want Aragorn to be gay. He cant be. He cant be because he was nevere meant to be. Male Shepard has a purpose in the ME universe. And its not in our hands to decide whats possible and whats not for him. You cant make demands like this. Its for the creators of Mass Effect to decide this. And some people here need to show some respect for the people who brought up this incredible game.

And enlighten me, when has a writer SPECIFICALLY stated:

"Shepard cannot be gay. He is straight."

I've sure never heard that. I thought the whole point of creating a character was to... CREATE a character.

[Nizzemancer]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Notice how the trolls and homophiles conveniently ignored my well put together post...all they wanna do is troll us Red...

Funny that you call them homoPHILES, the latter signifies that it's a disease, homosexuality is proven to not be one you see...

And you keep mentioning your very logical and intelligent post that everyone is ignoring but the funny thing is, I haven't seen it yet, you might want to come back once you've actually written it.

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

If we were in the same room you'd probably be outside on your ass by now, If I could handle afghan insurgents shooting rpg's, mortars, small arms and throwing rocks at me from early morning to early morning I damn well aren't going to be intimidated by a deskjockey like you who think he's got hair on his balls due to association.

In any case you don't seem to be able to do anything but make futile and unintelligent remarks to validate your opinions as fact so I don't really see a point in anyone arguing with you, you're obviously trolling then claiming that others are doing the same for not seeing your posts as the best thing that ever happened since boiled water...

What this thread is about is the choice to play your character the way you want to play it, it's called freedom and it's a good thing. regardless of what you might think, nothing is more canon than anything else about Shepard until bioware specifically says it is so. Having the option for Shepard to be gay doesn't hurt anyone and the first game makes it clear that homosexuality is accepted in the current human culture, so what the frick is the problem with you bigots? 

[illerianna]

Nizzemancer wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Notice how the trolls and homophiles conveniently ignored my well put together post...all they wanna do is troll us Red...

Funny that you call them homoPHILES, the latter signifies that it's a disease, homosexuality is proven to not be one you see...

And you keep mentioning your very logical and intelligent post that everyone is ignoring but the funny thing is, I haven't seen it yet, you might want to come back once you've actually written it.

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

If we were in the same room you'd probably be outside on your ass by now, If I could handle afghan insurgents shooting rpg's, mortars, small arms and throwing rocks at me from early morning to early morning I damn well aren't going to be intimidated by a deskjockey like you who think he's got hair on his balls due to association.

In any case you don't seem to be able to do anything but make futile and unintelligent remarks to validate your opinions as fact so I don't really see a point in anyone arguing with you, you're obviously trolling then claiming that others are doing the same for not seeing your posts as the best thing that ever happened since boiled water...

What this thread is about is the choice to play your character the way you want to play it, it's called freedom and it's a good thing. regardless of what you might think, nothing is more canon than anything else about Shepard until bioware specifically says it is so. Having the option for Shepard to be gay doesn't hurt anyone and the first game makes it clear that homosexuality is accepted in the current human culture, so what the frick is the problem with you bigots? 

Marry me plz.

I mean... Uh... QFT.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Nizzemancer wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Notice how the trolls and homophiles conveniently ignored my well put together post...all they wanna do is troll us Red...

Funny that you call them homoPHILES, the latter signifies that it's a disease, homosexuality is proven to not be one you see...

And you keep mentioning your very logical and intelligent post that everyone is ignoring but the funny thing is, I haven't seen it yet, you might want to come back once you've actually written it.

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

If we were talking in the same room, you'd be outside laid out by now. Chances are good you don't mingle with the working class heroes that I've been brought up alongside.
90% of intellectual clowns like you have no idea about how life really is. I know a lot of hard, resilient men, and I'm not talking about fighters, I'm talking about taking no **** and pushing through whatever life throws at em. Sadly, violence is sometimes necessary to push on.

If we were in the same room you'd probably be outside on your ass by now, If I could handle afghan insurgents shooting rpg's, mortars, small arms and throwing rocks at me from early morning to early morning I damn well aren't going to be intimidated by a deskjockey like you who think he's got hair on his balls due to association.

In any case you don't seem to be able to do anything but make futile and unintelligent remarks to validate your opinions as fact so I don't really see a point in anyone arguing with you, you're obviously trolling then claiming that others are doing the same for not seeing your posts as the best thing that ever happened since boiled water...

What this thread is about is the choice to play your character the way you want to play it, it's called freedom and it's a good thing. regardless of what you might think, nothing is more canon than anything else about Shepard until bioware specifically says it is so. Having the option for Shepard to be gay doesn't hurt anyone and the first game makes it clear that homosexuality is accepted in the current human culture, so what the frick is the problem with you bigots? 

So because you're a soldier you're a big hard guy? GTFO clown. I'm regional boxing champion, you'd get tonked. Lol.

[Orogenic]

Guys, I just came back an peeked in here.



For god's sake just report the trash and quit posting in this thread.

[Endurance_117]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...


Haven't heard one, care to enlighten me with your wisdom 

Oh and this is pretty funny: 

LOL

[Kreid]

Amikae wrote...

Some people here have to understand that its not always about what we want. ME didnt just drop off the sky. The games was created, the story was writted, there is a concept. There are AUTHORS. I would love very much for everyone to be happy with the game. But the fact is that there are things that can happen and things that cannot happen. If you play a LotR based RPG, you cant say you want Aragorn to be gay. He cant be. He cant be because he was nevere meant to be. Male Shepard has a purpose in the ME universe. And its not in our hands to decide whats possible and whats not for him. You cant make demands like this. Its for the creators of Mass Effect to decide this. And some people here need to show some respect for the people who brought up this incredible game.

This post has the truth on it, male Shepard is the iconic image of the series, he has a special face model for marketing issues and he is also used in all media regarding the game, as I said he's also been addressed by the developers as "not being bad with girls, a little bit like a James T. Kirk archetype" so IMO that is a factor  on why he's more limited in his sexuality for example as he is meant to be the most relateable by the majority of the fanbase which are white males.

[ReDSH1FT]

Trolls are coming back I see.

[JamesMoriarty123]

What this whole thread boils down to is the ******'s not letting the non-******'s have their say. This thread isn't for you. Go to the Gay Shep thread and spout your drivvel there.

[illerianna]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...


Haven't heard one, care to enlighten me with your wisdom 

Oh and this is pretty funny: 

LOL

Oh god, the last one. LOL.

[PyroFreak301]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
As if I give a **** what you think man? Go get bent. Oh...my bad.
Yeah, I don't want gay men in the game, I already said that. And chances are good that there won't be. If I'm not worth replying to then ****** off you gutless wonder.

Ha! You made a gay joke. Are you intentionally trying to prove my point for me? I'm having trouble working out if your mind-numbing idiocy is actually your attempt at trolling. If it is, I'll give you a 10/10.

For your sake I hope you grow up one day.

[ReDSH1FT]

Orogenic wrote...

Guys, I just came back an peeked in here.

For god's sake just report the trash and quit posting in this thread.

You again?  Aren't you supposed to be with your SUPER HOT WIFE?

[AlanC9]

Creid-X wrote...

No, I'm saying that the people that say their Shepards "are gay" but have no one to answer their feeling in their role play are trying to put their own fantasies over the fact that you simply cannot romance males and you can romance females, because it was designed so by the developers.

True, but what of it? The fact that the developers didn't put in any potential gay male partners doesn't say anything at all about the version of Shepard that I'm playing. All it says is that he hasn't met anyone yet.

If it was impossible to play a Shepard that wasn't interested in women, you'd have a point -- which I guess is why you tried to claim that upthread. Is it? I'll have to take another look at that Samara convo.

Because it is common knowledge here that Kaidan was going to be bisexual and this decision was scrapped before the game came out?
Now Shepard can only romance females, put 2+2 together.

That proves that they felt the need to make Kaidan straight rather than bi. Given the way certain immature fans have reacted to some Bio characters in the past, it's understandable.

Bio developers have always been quite clear in the past that they have nothing against players making their characters gay, but that they don't necessarily feel required to make any gay NPCs for them to be with. I take the devs at their word... but it is conceivable that Shepard is an exception.

[Creature 1]

Nizzemancer wrote...
If we were in the same room you'd probably be outside on your ass by now, If I could handle afghan insurgents shooting rpg's, mortars, small arms and throwing rocks at me from early morning to early morning I damn well aren't going to be intimidated by a deskjockey like you who think he's got hair on his balls due to association.

Thanks for your service.  My new brother-in-law is special forces, we're pretty proud of him! 

[jpetrey123]

Orogenic wrote...

Guys, I just came back an peeked in here.

For god's sake just report the trash and quit posting in this thread.

i flex my muscles at you "lets go niggga! lets fight! gay loving ****got!!"