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[PyroFreak301]

Creid-X wrote...
You just ignored the most important part of my post xD
My point is just that, while you are free to romance freely, this very freedom concept is a lie for male Shepard, it's just like creating the illusion of freedom of choice while the ending is fixed, female Shepards can choose to have hetero or homosexual relationships (whether they cannot romance other female characters is, ofter a matter of no-concern if you actually pay attention, because what players value is the capacity of choosing) but in the case of male Shepard is an illusion, you are given the impression that your Shepard could be hetero/homosexual/asexual but the truth is that you can only be hetero and that's the way the developers want to push male Shepard in.

Lets assume someone has role-played a bi-sexual/gay Shepard so far. Why would the choice to control THIER Shepard be a bad thing? It wont affect your straight Shepard, you can just press an equivilant to 'no' on a dialogue wheel and your game is unchanged... your Shepard is still straight as straight can be.

I don't see why people are opposed to choice. Noone is suggesting we force it upon anyone.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 07 février 2010 - 04:35 .

[Kreid]

PyroFreak301 wrote...
Lets assume someone has role-played a bi-sexual/gay Shepard so far. Why would the choice to control THIER Shepard be a bad thing? It wont affect your straight Shepard, you can just press and equivilant to no on a dialogue wheel and your game is unchanged... your Shepard is still straight as straight can be.

I don't see why people are opposed to choice. Noone is suggesting we force it upon anyone.

My point is, you can roleplay an asexual/gay Shepard but he's never gonna get a relationship because in the end the developers favour heterosexuality regarding male Shepard while you are entangled in the illusion of having a choice, this is not true for female Shepard though who is bisexual since ME1.

I'm not opposed to choice, I like it more choice=more content=better game, I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

Modifié par Creid-X, 07 février 2010 - 04:38 .

[PyroFreak301]

Creid-X wrote...
 I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

But why oppose something that would have absolutely no effect on your game at all?

EDIT: Theres plenty of ways to do it that would require initiation from Shepard, for people that aren't interested they would just skip that option. That way they dont even get propositioned about homosexuality and for all intents and purposes, there is no gay option for those that avoid it.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 07 février 2010 - 04:41 .

[Red_warning]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
 I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

But why oppose something that would have absolutely no effect on your game at all?

EDIT: Theres plenty of ways to do it that would require initiation from Shepard, for people that aren't interested they would just skip that option. That way they dont even get propositioned about homosexuality and for all intents and purposes, there is no gay option for those that avoid it.

Because it makes no sense, as there was a total void of such options in the first two games.

[Kreid]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
 I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

But why oppose something that would have absolutely no effect on your game at all?

Because it feels forced and immersion breaking, male Shepard has been consistently interested only in women, not giving even the slightest hint of liking men, then suddenly he becomes bisexual and starts hiting in new squadmate X/Kaidan/Jacob/Garrus/Thane when he simply ignored them, I'm just basing my position on the logic of coherence being good for the sake of the story, if something doesn't make sense it takes plausibility out of the story.
I know that having a simple choice that you can just ignore and keep on without affecting my game won't hurt me or anything (just like in DA:O) but I sincerely think that'sfor the best to leave male Shepard straight now, had he been bi from the beginning I'd be happy, but now it directly conflicts with the character

EDIT: Theres plenty of ways to do it that would require initiation from Shepard, for people that aren't interested they would just skip that option. That way they dont even get propositioned about homosexuality and for all intents and purposes, there is no gay option for those that avoid it.

That would be the only way I'd accept it, and that's if there was no remedy, no male squadmates insinuation to you unless you give the first step, and even so it'd be a little contradicting to simply have the option to do so

Modifié par Creid-X, 07 février 2010 - 04:52 .

[PyroFreak301]

Red_warning wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
 I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

But why oppose something that would have absolutely no effect on your game at all?

EDIT: Theres plenty of ways to do it that would require initiation from Shepard, for people that aren't interested they would just skip that option. That way they dont even get propositioned about homosexuality and for all intents and purposes, there is no gay option for those that avoid it.

Because it makes no sense, as there was a total void of such options in the first two games.

Nor did the sudden change to thermal clips. Just because it wasn't there before doesn't mean it cant be added.

A few people have said keep the status quo with current and past crew members as non-romantic relationships are already fully established with these characters. I fully agree with this. It would have to be done with new characters or not at all.

I dont see the harm in giving players the possibility to play their Shepard as they want to, especially as the controversy on the forums means there is a demand for it, something they must have missed in the last 2 games.

As I say, keep it as subtle as possible, clearly initiated by Shepard, and people who dont agree wont experience it. It's a win-win for both sides.

EDIT:

That would be the only way I'd accept it, and that's if there was
no remedy, no male squadmates insinuation to you unless you give the
first step, and even so it'd be a little contradicting to simply have
the option to do so

We're agreed on this. I dont want male members so much as insinuating that they have feelings beyond friendship unless my Shepard starts it. I dont think anyone would seriously be offended byan option they dont have to give a second glance to.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 07 février 2010 - 05:04 .

[Red_warning]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Red_warning wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
 I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

But why oppose something that would have absolutely no effect on your game at all?

EDIT: Theres plenty of ways to do it that would require initiation from Shepard, for people that aren't interested they would just skip that option. That way they dont even get propositioned about homosexuality and for all intents and purposes, there is no gay option for those that avoid it.

Because it makes no sense, as there was a total void of such options in the first two games.

Nor did the sudden change to thermal clips. Just because it wasn't there before doesn't mean it cant be added.

A few people have said keep the status quo with current and past crew members as non-romantic relationships are already fully established with these characters. I fully agree with this. It would have to be done with new characters or not at all.

I dont see the harm in giving players the possibility to play their Shepard as they want to, especially as the controversy on the forums means there is a demand for it, something they must have missed in the last 2 games.

As I say, keep it as subtle as possible, clearly initiated by Shepard, and people who dont agree wont experience it. It's a win-win for both sides.

Thermal clips are all about game mechanics, and that's a completely different story. Character design is not as simple, and I just do not think giving Shepard a same-sex romance option after all this time, in the very end of the series, would be the right thing to do.

[PyroFreak301]

Red_warning wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Red_warning wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
 I oppose the idea of making male Shepard suddenly interested in men.

But why oppose something that would have absolutely no effect on your game at all?

EDIT: Theres plenty of ways to do it that would require initiation from Shepard, for people that aren't interested they would just skip that option. That way they dont even get propositioned about homosexuality and for all intents and purposes, there is no gay option for those that avoid it.

Because it makes no sense, as there was a total void of such options in the first two games.

Nor did the sudden change to thermal clips. Just because it wasn't there before doesn't mean it cant be added.

A few people have said keep the status quo with current and past crew members as non-romantic relationships are already fully established with these characters. I fully agree with this. It would have to be done with new characters or not at all.

I dont see the harm in giving players the possibility to play their Shepard as they want to, especially as the controversy on the forums means there is a demand for it, something they must have missed in the last 2 games.

As I say, keep it as subtle as possible, clearly initiated by Shepard, and people who dont agree wont experience it. It's a win-win for both sides.

Thermal clips are all about game mechanics, and that's a completely different story. Character design is not as simple, and I just do not think giving Shepard a same-sex romance option after all this time, in the very end of the series, would be the right thing to do.

We all play our own individual Shepards.

If mine is a role-played homosexual that insists on wearing pink all the time (I apologise in advance for this horrible stereotype), it has 0 effect on your gameplay. Yours would still go round in awesome manly colours banging chicks.

If I can select an option that you would skip, it has 0 effect on your gameplay. You wouldn't even experience that dialogue and you can go round flirting with girls and banging more chicks.

Choices are good, no matter what they are or when they are introduced.

[Jalem001]

We all play our own individual Shepards.

If mine is a role-played homosexual that insists on wearing pink all the time (I apologise in advance for this horrible stereotype), it has 0 effect on your gameplay. Yours would still go round in awesome manly colours banging chicks.

If I can select an option that you would skip, it has 0 effect on your gameplay. You wouldn't even experience that dialogue and you can go round flirting with girls and banging more chicks.

Choices are good, no matter what they are or when they are introduced.

I don't get the option to fully roleplay ANY of my characters. Sometimes there aren't options for what I want to do. There was no option for my first Shepard to patch things up (Friend wise) with Ashley, or any dialogue to explain that he still loved her. I've never felt like there was a decent "I'm Alliance first but not a racist" option in ME1 either, it was always either bring a full blown racist or a full blown Council supporter.

Maybe no one you have on your team is gay. Maybe in 99% of alien cultures male-male relationships are not acceptable in any way, shape, or form. Make up a story, maybe your Shep always wanted to be with Kaiden/Garrus/Whoever but its never going to happen. Using the RP argument is a two way street. RP it up in your head, because you can't please everyone.

And I agree with the OP. Bioware has established a character more or less. For him to suddenly have homosexual convo options would be...weird in that it wouldn't fit. About as weird as any massive, sudden, ideological/belief change (Breaking News: Commander Shepard a Pacifist!).

For a future, and distinct Mass Effect branch (I doubt the universe dies with ME3), then sure. Toss in an optional gay romance if you want. But for ME3? No.

Modifié par Jalem001, 07 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[Roflpie]

But how am I ever going to show my love for Garrus and shoot my hot man-love all over his sharp bird-beak now?



Oh, woe is me and my love of Garrus.



Oh, -wait-. Despite thinking that both Shepard and Garrus might have affection, and even love for one another, that doesn't translate into sexual desire for one another. Especially on Garrus' part.



I could understand Kaiden and Male Shepard sharing intimate moments, as their shared background is fairly strong, they have a reason to develope affection and love for one another, and their physical characteristics are similar to the point of developing sexual interest being a possibility.



Whatever else, why can't Bioware -ever- make character who express non-sexual love or affection? It's either "Screw me handsome/beautiful" or a pretty stand-offish friendship with relatively few dialogue options. I actually liked Mass Effect 1 for having these non-sexual friendships and affections. You could tell that the characters cared about each other as fellow crew-members, friends. You could tell that, gay, straight, bi, or tri, the characters probably wouldn't give much of a **** about it. "Oh no, shepard is secretly gay." Que a laugh from Wrex and maybe some snide remarks about all that time he spent on his outfits by Ashley, and you're back to the game. "Oh no, Kaiden's in the closet!" "Meh, whatever, he's cool and don't afraid of anybody!"



Also, this thread is over because both sides have presented fairly reasonable evidence for thier own opinions, neither of which are fact. One side doesn't want it. The other side does. Oh ****, we can't reach an agreement! Quick, let's act like jackasses, that -always- helps! Yeah!



Also, Shepard needs to have a mudkip romance. Because everyone likes mudkips. A Seaking is fine, too.

[Ninja Mage]

Edit: Nevermind that was awful lol

Modifié par Ninja Mage, 07 février 2010 - 07:04 .

[Mordigan]

I think it's pretty clear that Bioware doesn't want DudeShep to be gay. The more interesting discussion would be why Bioware seems to have no problem with FemShep being gay/bi, but not DudeShep..



I believe it's because despite what many people here might think, iconic Shepard is practically canon by most measures, and having him be gay would probably destroy his marketing image as a masculine, badass super soldier that nails hot alien space babes left and right..



When you're building a franchise like Mass Effect, making your central hero gay is just bad business sense... It would be akin to making Luke Skywalker gay or something.



With FemShep, this isn't a problem because FemShep assumes a secondary role as Commander Shepard in the eyes of Bioware, so it doesn't really matter.



Just some thoughts!

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Bioware probably doesn't want the hero Shepard to be gay.Personally I don't think they have a huge problem with it , they just don't want any bad press from one side of it.If they added anything at all my money is on female/female because it's more acceptable.

But once that happens they just pi**ed the male/male group that bought ME1/2 and then if they decide they'll put both in .Now their on just about every TV news network getting all kinds of bad press.We'll see reports videogames cause this and that behavior a real fire storm.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 07 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

My Shep is gay. I switched my gender variable at the romance check and THERE'S NOTHING BIOWARE CAN DO ABOUT IT MUAHAHAH

[Stanley Woo]

Due to all kinds of nastiness, pages and pages of it, I'm shutting this thread down. If you wish to continue the discussion (this time, without the off-topic tangents, racial epithets, and sexual politics), please start a new thread. Thank you.



ENd of line.