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[Valcutio]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

So, Shepard didn't date a guy for the first 2 games but in the third he starts? Makes no sense. He's clearly able to hook up with guys before the third game so why hasn't he? He's not able to be gay, just like he's not able to sprout a third leg out of the middle of his head.

If Bioware were to ever impliment gay shepard in ME3 it would purely be for shock value. And it would do no favors to the lore of the universe. Infact, it would hurt the lore.

It would not hurt the lore. 

My Shephard hasn't romanced anyone through 2 playthroughs. It would be just as out of character for him to romance a female in ME3, going by your logic. 

Yes, but if your Shepard were gay he WOULD have romanced somebody in the first 2 games. There were tons of guys. He didn't. He was unable to.

Shepard isn't gay.

[Endurance_117]

Orogenic wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

ya'll mad?

More like deeply amused..

I LOVE a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent....

I was joking lol

[Clova]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Clova wrote...

CRISIS: Possibly, but his latest post is more rational, and uses reasoning thats based on something other than personal belief, and is therefore something i can respect if not agree with. I wish this had been his original post, as the original came off as more...hateful.

Ok, sorry if I sounded hateful.  I'm really not a nice person generally, so I don't usually come off PC.  I think my Shepard in ME2 has the scars and glowy eyes to confirm it.  I can't even play paragon without turning off my xbox.

Anyway.  My argument is strictly plot related, not personal.  I've said this lots of times.  He can't just switch like that.  He's been a space player the whole series so far.  If it was different from the start, then it wouldn't be an issue at all.

Thats about as calm and non hateful as I can word the argument.

Alrightys. The attempt at being calm is appreciated.

Also, im just now downloading ME2 after buying it the day it got out, because i wanted to have a few playthoughs fo ME1 to start out on first, one with romanceing Kaiden and the others without...so im bored.

[Deviija]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
*rude text for no reason*  

classy.

[Endurance_117]

this topic is hot!!!!

[Bryy_Miller]

To be fair, saying that you can call them ******'s because the scientific term is homosexual is the same as complaining that you can't call blacks '****s' even though they do.

Slang is slang.

[Kolaris8472]

Valcutio wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

So, Shepard didn't date a guy for the first 2 games but in the third he starts? Makes no sense. He's clearly able to hook up with guys before the third game so why hasn't he? He's not able to be gay, just like he's not able to sprout a third leg out of the middle of his head.

If Bioware were to ever impliment gay shepard in ME3 it would purely be for shock value. And it would do no favors to the lore of the universe. Infact, it would hurt the lore.

It would not hurt the lore. 

My Shephard hasn't romanced anyone through 2 playthroughs. It would be just as out of character for him to romance a female in ME3, going by your logic. 

Yes, but if your Shepard were gay he WOULD have romanced somebody in the first 2 games. There were tons of guys. He didn't. He was unable to.

Shepard isn't gay.

Alright, so you're obviously the kind of person who humped anything with a space-vagina in the first two games? Take the relationship on a case-by-case basis. 

[ReDSH1FT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Redshift, have you thought about stating your opinion in a way that DOES NOT make you look like an intolerant jerk? You don't want gay stuff in ME3, fine, but you went beyond the call of duty and starting being insulting and aggressive for no reason.

Dude, no way.  I have paragon and renegade options in real life as well.  Just cause you choose to go paragon doesn't mean I can't be renegade.

I'm aggressive but not hateful.  There's a difference.  I don't hate homosexuals at all, I feel like they deserve to live and die on this awful planet how they want like everyone else.

My argument was plot related.  Shep can't turn ****** all of a sudden without sacrificing the character.  Do players on here rage this hard because Spartan 117 doesn't have the option to romance the Sergeant?  There are some things you can do, and some things you can't.  This is one of those things you can't do without making a main character sacrifice.

[ReDSH1FT]

Cat Lance wrote...

So, what Redshift, no responces to those of us on the first page who made the valid point that an individuals Shepard need not have ever romanced a woman?

Do you intentionally not read any other posts but ones that agree with you?  Your points have been met and disassembled. 

[Bryy_Miller]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Redshift, have you thought about stating your opinion in a way that DOES NOT make you look like an intolerant jerk? You don't want gay stuff in ME3, fine, but you went beyond the call of duty and starting being insulting and aggressive for no reason.

Dude, no way.  I have paragon and renegade options in real life as well.  Just cause you choose to go paragon doesn't mean I can't be renegade.

.... really? 

I'm aggressive but not hateful.  There's a difference.  I don't hate homosexuals at all, I feel like they deserve to live and die on this awful planet how they want like everyone else.

That was not my point. My point was that you chose to be insulting instead of simply asking your question. 

My argument was plot related.  Shep can't turn ****** all of a sudden without sacrificing the character.  Do players on here rage this hard because Spartan 117 doesn't have the option to romance the Sergeant?  There are some things you can do, and some things you can't.  This is one of those things you can't do without making a main character sacrifice.

I think you're making the mistake of assuming that everyone that does not respond to you in the context of your original question is an idiot that has no idea what you are talking about.

[TotalGoth]

ok i see why you all got offended at the OP, but he is right when he said that he has been straight so far. and ewaldorphs examples of kaiden in me1 and me2 are wishful thinking at best. He gets mad at you joining Cerberus because of what the organization stands for, just like every other person in the game who was from me1. so it would really be a 180 on the developers part to all the sudden include a gay option in the last part of a trilogy that had no references before.

Modifié par TotalGoth, 06 février 2010 - 10:00 .

[ReDSH1FT]

toothpicks1994 wrote...

ewaldorph wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote... There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.  But think about this.
Shepard has been straight so far.

How do you know? Anyone with any sensitivity (leaves you out: homos, really?) would have picked up on the cinematics interactions between Kaiden and Shepard throughout ME1. This is particularly reinforced by his overreaction to Shepard apparantly joining Cerebus in ME2.

Male homosexuality has been addressed by every major scifi novel and film set in the 21st century and beyond. If one includes sex at all it is disingenuous to exclude homosexuality.

Those who would shove their heads in the sand are free to do so (they obviously have little else to do with them) but do not try to force everyone eles's in with you. Since homosexuals serve openly in the military of every new world country (with the US soon to follow) your point has little stature.

It's interesting how you seem to be sensetive to him saying the word "******"

Would you prefer us heterosexuals to refer to you as phags? flamers perhaps? seems to me that ****** is among the most respectful terms we can utilize whilst refering to HOMOsexuals...

THANK GOD someone else on here noticed that.  Seriously, I'm using the correct scientific shorthand terminology.

[Kwonnern]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.

But think about this.



Shepard has been straight so far. He's romanced hot chicks, hot alien chicks, and would probably romance EDI given the chance.



How the **** can you justify him turning gay all of a sudden in ME3?



What, did the Lazarus project mess up a wire or two?

Maybe Person X played the game differently than you?



For person x he may be gay (never shagged birds, neither in ME1 nor ME2 for example), while for person y he might be of another disposition.



Thus, his disposition would be canon/true (this is how Shep is), but the canon would be different for different people.



That's what's so great with these games, there are many different ways to play your character.

[Kreid]

While RedSH1FT is everything but subtle, I have to say he has a point.
I respect everyone and their sexuality, in DA:O Zevran insinuated himself to my character I simply said no and the issue was settled for the rest of the game, however, Commander Shepard  has already been established as heterosexual in his male incarnation for two consecutive entries of the trilogy so making him suddenly homosexual, while not immersion-breaking (IMO as I'm sure there's LOTS of people that would consider it so) would definitely feel forced and out of place.

Modifié par Creid-X, 06 février 2010 - 10:06 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

To be fair, saying that you can call them ******'s because the scientific term is homosexual is the same as complaining that you can't call blacks '****s' even though they do.
Slang is slang.

So you're saying that the scientific term for african americans is that word?  Very very hateful dude.

Get back on topic and stop derailing.

[Valcutio]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

So, Shepard didn't date a guy for the first 2 games but in the third he starts? Makes no sense. He's clearly able to hook up with guys before the third game so why hasn't he? He's not able to be gay, just like he's not able to sprout a third leg out of the middle of his head.

If Bioware were to ever impliment gay shepard in ME3 it would purely be for shock value. And it would do no favors to the lore of the universe. Infact, it would hurt the lore.

It would not hurt the lore. 

My Shephard hasn't romanced anyone through 2 playthroughs. It would be just as out of character for him to romance a female in ME3, going by your logic. 

Yes, but if your Shepard were gay he WOULD have romanced somebody in the first 2 games. There were tons of guys. He didn't. He was unable to.

Shepard isn't gay.

Alright, so you're obviously the kind of person who humped anything with a space-vagina in the first two games? Take the relationship on a case-by-case basis. 

Insulting me for being straight? Nice. And people wonder why intolerance exists in the first place.

Yes, I did have a romance with Ashley in the first game then Miranda in the second. They were very touching moments as far as games go and it's further proof that Male-Shepard only has interest in (as you so crudely put it) "space-vagina".

[Cat Lance]

No they haven't, just because a Shepard had the option to romance females doesn't mean a player did, their Shepard need not have been straight at any point, he just didn't have the option to pursue a romance in the other games.



Also, I was actually looking for a responce that argued points against what I had to say, as I wasn't expecting you to agree. I saw no such responce to my post or the other which stated the same from you, at all. If I simply missed them in the jumble I apologise, but I did not see any sort of responce.

[CRISIS1717]

Red your trolling is too obvious.

[Bryy_Miller]

Well, of course Red has a point. Many people, including myself, agree with him. What we DON'T agree with is his attitude of indignation.

[TotalGoth]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

toothpicks1994 wrote...

ewaldorph wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote... There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.  But think about this.
Shepard has been straight so far.

How do you know? Anyone with any sensitivity (leaves you out: homos, really?) would have picked up on the cinematics interactions between Kaiden and Shepard throughout ME1. This is particularly reinforced by his overreaction to Shepard apparantly joining Cerebus in ME2.

Male homosexuality has been addressed by every major scifi novel and film set in the 21st century and beyond. If one includes sex at all it is disingenuous to exclude homosexuality.

Those who would shove their heads in the sand are free to do so (they obviously have little else to do with them) but do not try to force everyone eles's in with you. Since homosexuals serve openly in the military of every new world country (with the US soon to follow) your point has little stature.

It's interesting how you seem to be sensetive to him saying the word "******"

Would you prefer us heterosexuals to refer to you as phags? flamers perhaps? seems to me that ****** is among the most respectful terms we can utilize whilst refering to HOMOsexuals...

THANK GOD someone else on here noticed that.  Seriously, I'm using the correct scientific shorthand terminology.

"******" is a meant to be an insult and don't pretend that you don't know. no one who is trying to be respectful will use that. they will either say homosexual or gay.

[Clova]

But what if the scientific term has been twisted into something hateful by people that genuinely hate gays / homosexuals and is now widespread a such?

Modifié par Clova, 06 février 2010 - 10:04 .

[SethSteiner]

Tali was imagined to be a romance option in the first game, she wasn`t. In the second game she is. Why shouldn`t Shepard be able to romance a guy now, if the player want to?

[Bryy_Miller]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

To be fair, saying that you can call them ******'s because the scientific term is homosexual is the same as complaining that you can't call blacks '****s' even though they do.
Slang is slang.

So you're saying that the scientific term for african americans is that word?  Very very hateful dude.

Wow. You are making it very, very hard to take you seriously. Of course that's not what I think. Maybe if you actually READ the post instead of being so blind with eRage, you would of seen that.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 06 février 2010 - 10:05 .

[Orogenic]

Cat Lance wrote...

So, what Redshift, no responces to those of us on the first page who made the valid point that an individuals Shepard need not have ever romanced a woman?

He has complely avoided any response to those of us that have presented logical counterpoints to his deeply flawed reasoning.

This is to be expected... those enamored with hate and prejudice hold the ostrich in high esteem as the ultimate defensive tactician.

Modifié par Orogenic, 06 février 2010 - 10:06 .