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[Valcutio]

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.



Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.



Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

[ReDSH1FT]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Red, have you even stopped to think of what a ridiculous thread this even is? Of course they're not going to make male Shepards gay all of the sudden.

This thread is not ridiculous, just because a major part of the forums support gay Shepard options doesn't mean the people that don't see it making sense in continuity are not entitled to their opinion.
I am not against gay characters, or bisexual characters, or anything really BUT male Shepards has been establised already as heterosexual, and suddenly turning him homosexual would be FORCED an out of character.
People here are hypocrites, they bash ReD because they deem him intolerant but refuse to answer decently to his very legit argument WHILE demanding him to answer theirs.

But his argument hinges on the fact that everyone romanced someone of the opposite sex in ME that was not the case. Some Sheps were single or had modded gay relationships so what about them? They don't exist? <_<

No, my argument doesn't hinge on that, look at the posts I made.  Read carefully.  

No your argument hinges on the fact that because the only people that want to have sex with Shep are of the opposite sex Shep is automatically straight. That doesn't make Shep anymore straight then if you were stranded on a desert with gay men and the only way you were having a relationship was with one of them would make you gay. <_<

WRONG.  Jesus, are all of you really this illiterate?

SHEPARD'S DIALOGUE OPTIONS DO NOT INCLUDE ANY GAY ITEMS.

IT'S NOT BASED ON WHO WANTS TO SLEEP WITH HIM.

Shepard has the chance to flirt with a lot of guys in the series, but doesn't.  Instead he has a lot of options to flirt with girls.  He may or may not have, but the options are there because he is genuinely interested.  Because he's hetero.

THAT'S MY HINGE KIDDO, argue against that.

[ReDSH1FT]

Valcutio wrote...

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.

Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

QFT

[Orogenic]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
.....BUT male commander Shepard has been establised already as heterosexual, and suddenly turning him homosexual would be FORCED an out of character.

You guys are delusional... Sheps sexual orientation has not been established in any way, shape, or form...

Where are you getting this false notion (other than from your own twisted world view)?

The only delusional ones are the homos posting on here.  He's straight, and if you wanna ignore the obvious narrative evidence, then that's on you.  Go wait on the bus while logical men are talking.

There is zero "narrative evidence" of Sheps sexual orientation.  You win the "obtuse award" for today on the forum.  I challenge you to support your claim.

I challenge you to play this game we're arguing about.

I've played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and ME 2 twice.  Also, I'm a heterosexual male (incidentally who happens to have a very hot and intelligent wife who would dump me like yesterday's trash if I were a prejudiced homophobic idiot).

Show me ONE SHRED of evidence to support your claim.  You can't.  

[Kreid]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Red, have you even stopped to think of what a ridiculous thread this even is? Of course they're not going to make male Shepards gay all of the sudden.

This thread is not ridiculous, just because a major part of the forums support gay Shepard options doesn't mean the people that don't see it making sense in continuity are not entitled to their opinion.
I am not against gay characters, or bisexual characters, or anything really BUT male Shepards has been establised already as heterosexual, and suddenly turning him homosexual would be FORCED an out of character.
People here are hypocrites, they bash ReD because they deem him intolerant but refuse to answer decently to his very legit argument WHILE demanding him to answer theirs.

But his argument hinges on the fact that everyone romanced someone of the opposite sex in ME that was not the case. Some Sheps were single or had modded gay relationships so what about them? They don't exist? <_<

I don't want to sound disrespectful against homosexual players, and this may sound stupid (even to me) having account we are talking about a game based of choices which vary from your look to your very last action but...male commander Shepard is simply heterosexual, not by my choice of choice of the players, he was designed such by the developers and they surely have their good reasons to keep it so, to a point that making it otherwise would simply hurt the continuity of the franchise and because of that he should IMO continue being so.

Really, I'm sorry for the people that want M/M relationships, I am not homosexual myself but i can understand they wanting their own choice of sexuality present in a game they like, but it isn't that simple, I say that you guys should be happy there's already a M/M option in DA:O and should proactively defend homosexual romances in next titles by Bioware if that is what you want but you should also respect the opinions of the ones that think homosexual male Shepard wouldn't be a good idea.

Modifié par Creid-X, 06 février 2010 - 10:49 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.

Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

[T1l]

I think what's concerning is that someone who wants gay relationships is seen as entitled to their opinion, whilst someone who doesn't is immediately labelled as a homophobe, ill-educated or close-minded (or all three).

I, personally, don't care either way. I really don't, but the hypocrisy with some people is incredible.

People want tolerance; they demand it, yet they do not give it. This is why threads on this topic are generally locked.

Modifié par T1l, 06 février 2010 - 10:46 .

[jeffindenver]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

 There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.  

But think about this.

Shepard has been straight so far.  He's romanced hot chicks, hot alien chicks, and would probably romance EDI given the chance.

How the **** can you justify him turning gay all of a sudden in ME3?

What, did the Lazarus project mess up a wire or two?  How does this space pimp go from all that to liking dudes?

BS.  Sure, you may say your male Shepard didn't do any of those romances because he's gay, and you're role playing him that way.  Fine do what you want, but it makes NO damn sense whatsoever to have gay options in ME3.

I would be pissed to have my space pimp talk to a male crew mate in ME3 and see some sort of gay flirt option on there.  What the hell happened?  Why is he bicurious all of a sudden?  Why is that option there?  Is he thinking about Steve as a possible interest?  My Shepard???? 

No.  Keep it in your heads and out of this game.

I think Redshift is a closet "******" afraid that some man to man romance dialogue will make junior hard.

[Marta Rio]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
 In reality, where things really happen, he isn't a ******.  He doesn't have the options to flirt with guys for a reason.

Is this really that hard to understand?

I get it now.  Mass Effect = real life.  In that case, I'm too busy for typing on the internet .  I'm off to plan my Turian wedding ceremony with Mr. Vakarian.  I'd invite all of you guys, but since you seem to exist in universes alternate to my own, I guess that wouldn't work.  Unless we networked our Xboxes or something. 

[wikkedjoker]

I don't agree with the OP, and think he's a bit close minded, or a troll.



BUT to be fair, male Shep. doesn't seem like the kind of guy to take it in the ass. And to each his own, but Shep as a character, seemed more Kirk, from Star Trek like. And I know this will come out crude, and so be it, but the female Shep, does seem more like she would bat for the same team.



Thats not me trying to sound sexist, in any way, but with the way both characters are written it comes off that way.

[Valcutio]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
.....BUT male commander Shepard has been establised already as heterosexual, and suddenly turning him homosexual would be FORCED an out of character.

You guys are delusional... Sheps sexual orientation has not been established in any way, shape, or form...

Where are you getting this false notion (other than from your own twisted world view)?

The only delusional ones are the homos posting on here.  He's straight, and if you wanna ignore the obvious narrative evidence, then that's on you.  Go wait on the bus while logical men are talking.

There is zero "narrative evidence" of Sheps sexual orientation.  You win the "obtuse award" for today on the forum.  I challenge you to support your claim.

I challenge you to play this game we're arguing about.

I've played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and ME 2 twice.  Also, I'm a heterosexual male (incidentally who happens to have a very hot and intelligent wife who would dump me like yesterday's trash if I were a prejudiced homophobic idiot).

Show me ONE SHRED of evidence to support your claim.  You can't.  

The fact that you have to reinforce the fact that you're straight with a "hot" wife speaks volumes, even if you can't understand that.

[cameronnadal]

'The homos'? Wow, bioware sure is letting this thread go on for a long while when people are blatently attempting to stir up trouble and be offensive to certain individuals.

[Kolaris8472]

Valcutio wrote...
Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

So you consider Asari female? So you can have a "gay" Shephard, a female Shephard can have an intimate experience with two separate Asari. 

[ReDSH1FT]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
.....BUT male commander Shepard has been establised already as heterosexual, and suddenly turning him homosexual would be FORCED an out of character.

You guys are delusional... Sheps sexual orientation has not been established in any way, shape, or form...

Where are you getting this false notion (other than from your own twisted world view)?

The only delusional ones are the homos posting on here.  He's straight, and if you wanna ignore the obvious narrative evidence, then that's on you.  Go wait on the bus while logical men are talking.

There is zero "narrative evidence" of Sheps sexual orientation.  You win the "obtuse award" for today on the forum.  I challenge you to support your claim.

I challenge you to play this game we're arguing about.

I've played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and ME 2 twice.  Also, I'm a heterosexual male (incidentally who happens to have a very hot and intelligent wife who would dump me like yesterday's trash if I were a prejudiced homophobic idiot).

Show me ONE SHRED of evidence to support your claim.  You can't.  

And I'm the king of Uzbekistan.  My status is greater than yours.  I don't give a damn about who you are and how hot your wife may or may not be, and I definitely don't care about her reasons for dropping you.

I've provided post after post of logic, all you claim is nothing.  You make no claim.  You have no counter-argument to me.  I'll respond to you again if you make a counter to what I and some other bright posters on here have been saying.  Til then, enjoy your imaginary wife.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Also, if you say you want a gay option, but I say I don't want a gay option, how is your opinion more valid than mine?

The only difference is that the majority of the player base doesn't want/care about a gay option. And Amen to that.

EDIT: Kudos to the guy who griefed the other guy for having an imaginary wife. You're spot on there m8, either she's made up or that guy is some seriously insecure sad act to have to big up his missus on a game forum. Lolz.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 06 février 2010 - 10:50 .

[Endurance_117]

cameronnadal wrote...

'The homos'? Wow, bioware sure is letting this thread go on for a long while when people are blatently attempting to stir up trouble and be offensive to certain individuals.

so ****** and gays are bad words now?

[ReDSH1FT]

T1l wrote...

I think what's concerning is that someone who wants gay relationships is seen as entitled to their opinion, whilst someone who doesn't is immediately labelled as a homophobe, ill-educated or close-minded (or all three).

I, personally, don't care either way. I really don't, but the hypocrisy with some people is incredible.

People want tolerance; they demand it, yet they do not give it. This is why threads on this topic are generally locked.

A godlike quote amongst the garbage in here.

[Orogenic]

Valcutio wrote...

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.

Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

People have already linked the same-sex voice options that were considered for inclusion in the game.  The only reason bioware DIDN'T include same-sex romance in their games is because of the RAMPANT homophobia accross the globe.  Here in the U.S. it's just the "christian right" bozos we have to worry about... but remember there are still countries where homosexuality is so taboo that it is a capital offense.


If you recall, ME 1 was not banned because of SEX but because of LESBIAN SEX.

[T1l]

Endurance_117 wrote...

cameronnadal wrote...

'The homos'? Wow, bioware sure is letting this thread go on for a long while when people are blatently attempting to stir up trouble and be offensive to certain individuals.

so ****** and gays are bad words now?

Only in a similar way to how anyone but a black person is racist when they use that word. It's situational.

[JamesMoriarty123]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

T1l wrote...

I think what's concerning is that someone who wants gay relationships is seen as entitled to their opinion, whilst someone who doesn't is immediately labelled as a homophobe, ill-educated or close-minded (or all three).

I, personally, don't care either way. I really don't, but the hypocrisy with some people is incredible.

People want tolerance; they demand it, yet they do not give it. This is why threads on this topic are generally locked.

A godlike quote amongst the garbage in here.

I said basically the same thing in my last post.

[Endurance_117]

If someone doesn't want gay relationships they're closed minded?

If someone wants gay relationships they're open minded?



Sure is logic in here

[Kolaris8472]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...
Also, if you say you want a gay option, but I say I don't want a gay option, how is your opinion more valid than mine?

Its not any more valid, its more efficient. They can have a gay option while you don't have a gay option, all wrapped up into one. That's the beauty of choice.