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[Valcutio]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

So you consider Asari female? So you can have a "gay" Shephard, a female Shephard can have an intimate experience with two separate Asari. 

Female Asari can reproduce with either men or females but they are female in appearance. Does this make a FemShep that romances an Asari gay? I think that's debatable. The ability to create and raise a child together is one of the staples that seperates straight couples from gay couples so I'm not sure where one would draw the line.

A man romancing an Asari is pretty straight though. They are female in appearance.

[Endurance_117]

T1l wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

cameronnadal wrote...

'The homos'? Wow, bioware sure is letting this thread go on for a long while when people are blatently attempting to stir up trouble and be offensive to certain individuals.

so ****** and gays are bad words now?

Only in a similar way to how anyone but a black person is racist when they use that word. It's situational.

nigg* or nigge*, there is a difference. White people use nigg* all the time

[ReDSH1FT]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

T1l wrote...

I think what's concerning is that someone who wants gay relationships is seen as entitled to their opinion, whilst someone who doesn't is immediately labelled as a homophobe, ill-educated or close-minded (or all three).

I, personally, don't care either way. I really don't, but the hypocrisy with some people is incredible.

People want tolerance; they demand it, yet they do not give it. This is why threads on this topic are generally locked.

A godlike quote amongst the garbage in here.

I said basically the same thing in my last post.

Yeah I noticed it, thanks for that.  I feel like we're the Spartans in 300 here.  A swarm of homos enough to block out the sun have descended on the forums.

[Creature 1]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
Shepard has the chance to flirt with a lot of guys in the series, but doesn't.  Instead he has a lot of options to flirt with girls.  He may or may not have, but the options are there because he is genuinely interested.  Because he's hetero.

THAT'S MY HINGE KIDDO, argue against that.

In Dragon Age my borderline lawful good mage had the option to murder knife an innocent monk.  She was not genuinely interested in stabbing him to death.  It was the last thing that it would occur to her to do.  It's an option, it's given to you, but that doesn't mean it's an option your particular character is interested in choosing. 

Your Shepherd may be straight, but someone else's Shepherd might not be. 

[JamesMoriarty123]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but from a genetic point of view being gay is a coding error. Chemical synapse error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 06 février 2010 - 10:56 .

[Orogenic]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

And I'm the king of Uzbekistan.  My status is greater than yours.  I don't give a damn about who you are and how hot your wife may or may not be, and I definitely don't care about her reasons for dropping you.

I've provided post after post of logic, all you claim is nothing.  You make no claim.  You have no counter-argument to me.  I'll respond to you again if you make a counter to what I and some other bright posters on here have been saying.  Til then, enjoy your imaginary wife.

What you are is a child.  My counter argument is this:

If you do not proceed with any love interest in ME 1 or ME 2 you have ZERO EVIDENCE that Shep is a heterosexual.  Your "logic" is a joke.  Actually, my wife and I are reading this thread together and having a good laugh at your expense.  Please continue the "debate" : )

[ABCoLD]

I liek teh gayz. De holp me pik out good shirts when I'm shopping so I can be a pimp wit my girlfriendS (I got a lot). W/o them I wuldnt own one peach shirt. (And peach shirts are badass).

[Kreid]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

So you consider Asari female? So you can have a "gay" Shephard, a female Shephard can have an intimate experience with two separate Asari. 

Female Shepard has been portrayed as bisexual since ME1, no matter how you want to play with words or how mono-gendered they are Asari are analogous to women, and so the logical conclusion is that FemShep is attracted to other females, this is also reinforced by the fact that she can romance Kelly in ME2.

However there is no indication whatsoever despite what people might claim or what ifs that male Shepard has shown interest in males in any game and logically it should continue being so for the sake of continuity.

[wikkedjoker]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Creid-X wrote...
.....BUT male commander Shepard has been establised already as heterosexual, and suddenly turning him homosexual would be FORCED an out of character.

You guys are delusional... Sheps sexual orientation has not been established in any way, shape, or form...

Where are you getting this false notion (other than from your own twisted world view)?

The only delusional ones are the homos posting on here.  He's straight, and if you wanna ignore the obvious narrative evidence, then that's on you.  Go wait on the bus while logical men are talking.

There is zero "narrative evidence" of Sheps sexual orientation.  You win the "obtuse award" for today on the forum.  I challenge you to support your claim.

I challenge you to play this game we're arguing about.

I've played through ME 1 at least a dozen times and ME 2 twice.  Also, I'm a heterosexual male (incidentally who happens to have a very hot and intelligent wife who would dump me like yesterday's trash if I were a prejudiced homophobic idiot).

Show me ONE SHRED of evidence to support your claim.  You can't.  

I don’t agree with the gay bashing. But Male Shep. has been written as straight. If he as a character was to be sexually orientated in a way that the player could pick, than you would have that choice. Look at Dragon Age.

Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Shep. Is written as  straight the proof is that you have only been allowed to have straight relationships. This is not because Bioware hates gays, again look at Dragon Age. It is because Shep. Is not gay. How do you say  it. . .the proof is in the pudding.  

[ReDSH1FT]

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
Shepard has the chance to flirt with a lot of guys in the series, but doesn't.  Instead he has a lot of options to flirt with girls.  He may or may not have, but the options are there because he is genuinely interested.  Because he's hetero.

THAT'S MY HINGE KIDDO, argue against that.

In Dragon Age my borderline lawful good mage had the option to murder knife an innocent monk.  She was not genuinely interested in stabbing him to death.  It was the last thing that it would occur to her to do.  It's an option, it's given to you, but that doesn't mean it's an option your particular character is interested in choosing. 

Your Shepherd may be straight, but someone else's Shepherd might not be. 

Wrong wrong wrong.

You said it yourself.  It was the last thing that it would occur to her to do.

Shepard doesn't even have the options, so it's not even the last thing he would do.  He would never do it.

You just owned yourself into oblivion.

[Endurance_117]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Trying to record all this gay script would take precious time away from other aspects of the game for what is essentially an extremely small minority of the playerbase.
Shepherd is not gay. Get the **** over it.

Already recorded just not put in the game. Only thing that was missing was the sex scene animation rig.

Regardless I said I wasn't going to get into this arguement. So yeah. I'm done.

Its your right to play your Shep as heterosexual as you choose.

I still hope BioWare decides to place a single male gay option in ME3.

And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but genetically being gay is a error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

Ryuuichi009 is a girl

[jidnis]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

 There's lots of RAEG going on by homos in the BioWare forums.  

But think about this.

Shepard has been straight so far.  He's romanced hot chicks, hot alien chicks, and would probably romance EDI given the chance.

How the **** can you justify him turning gay all of a sudden in ME3?

What, did the Lazarus project mess up a wire or two?  How does this space pimp go from all that to liking dudes?

BS.  Sure, you may say your male Shepard didn't do any of those romances because he's gay, and you're role playing him that way.  Fine do what you want, but it makes NO damn sense whatsoever to have gay options in ME3.

I would be pissed to have my space pimp talk to a male crew mate in ME3 and see some sort of gay flirt option on there.  What the hell happened?  Why is he bicurious all of a sudden?  Why is that option there?  Is he thinking about Steve as a possible interest?  My Shepard???? 

No.  Keep it in your heads and out of this game.

That's easy - he could be bi

DUR

[Orogenic]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...


And I hope they don't. For the love of God...all you gay guys just preying on the "Oooh, I'm gay and therefore my opinion is more valid as I have been persecuted for my sexulity" arguement just starting to make me sick.

Why does there HAVE to be a gay option? No offense but genetically being gay is a error. We'd have a merry old time if everyone was gay...say goodbye to the species.

Actually there is a lot of evidence that homosexuality is a survival mechanism built in to higher species.  No one is saying that gays have "more valid" opinions.  We are just saying that telling gays they have no right to exist is hateful and pathetic.

[Creature 1]

Valcutio wrote...
Female Asari can reproduce with either men or females but they are female in appearance. Does this make a FemShep that romances an Asari gay? I think that's debatable. The ability to create and raise a child together is one of the staples that seperates straight couples from gay couples so I'm not sure where one would draw the line.

A man romancing an Asari is pretty straight though. They are female in appearance.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt!

If the female Shepherd is having sex with an Asari, she's either lesbian or bi. 

You don't just look at a couple and say, "Capable of breeding?  Yes:  straight.  No:  gay."  There are all sorts of straight couples that have zero chance of reproducing.  And sexual orientation is about the gender you are attracted to, not whether you're interested in breeding or not. 

[Valcutio]

Orogenic wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.

Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

People have already linked the same-sex voice options that were considered for inclusion in the game.  The only reason bioware DIDN'T include same-sex romance in their games is because of the RAMPANT homophobia accross the globe.  Here in the U.S. it's just the "christian right" bozos we have to worry about... but remember there are still countries where homosexuality is so taboo that it is a capital offense.


If you recall, ME 1 was not banned because of SEX but because of LESBIAN SEX.

People love to throw around that "homophobic" term. You're the one that needed to reinforce their heterosexuality by talking about your "hot" wife. Hipocracy is bitter, isn't it?

If Bioware didn't include the gay romance options that they created... then that just proves my point once and for all. Honestly, that's pretty much a /thread right there.

[tripehound1]

IMHO the only difference between manshep and femshep is gender most non-romance dialogue is the same or very similar, with this in mind the fact that femshep can have a f/f relationship means that, as they share the same base psyche, manshep is already capable of falling in love (awww!) and having a m/m relationship (or just slagging about captain jack style!) QED

also I don't get what the big deal is... just include a paragon option like "I'm flattered, but I don't like dudes." and a renegade option like "uh. 2 guys doin it dood dat r t3h six,"

[ReDSH1FT]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

And I'm the king of Uzbekistan.  My status is greater than yours.  I don't give a damn about who you are and how hot your wife may or may not be, and I definitely don't care about her reasons for dropping you.

I've provided post after post of logic, all you claim is nothing.  You make no claim.  You have no counter-argument to me.  I'll respond to you again if you make a counter to what I and some other bright posters on here have been saying.  Til then, enjoy your imaginary wife.

What you are is a child.  My counter argument is this:

If you do not proceed with any love interest in ME 1 or ME 2 you have ZERO EVIDENCE that Shep is a heterosexual.  Your "logic" is a joke.  Actually, my wife and I are reading this thread together and having a good laugh at your expense.  Please continue the "debate" : )

Dialogue options for Shepard, look at them.

Do you see any ****** ones? Ok, now look again.  Do you see any hetero ones?  That's what I thought.

***IN UDINA VOICE***

YOU WANTED PROOF, THERE IT IS.

[Ettecoud]

Ok I don't feel like going through the other 8 pages so if this has been said already...oh well



I've noticed people bringing up the point that "If Shepard was a homosexual, why wouldn't he have hooked up with the other guys in the game"



Personally I think this is kind of obvious...maybe because there hasn't been any homosexual squad mates yet? Like can any of you people picture Garrus, Thane, and Jacob being homosexual? Personally I don't. Now if they added someone who was homosexual in the game, then yes I can easily see it happening.

[Harleyb16]

hmm.... can we haz..... lesbian option to then? :3

this way, straight and gay guys win! its a win win situation

[ReDSH1FT]

Valcutio wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

Even if he were to be rejected, if Male-Shep were even slightly gay, he would have "attempted" to hook up with another dude. He isn't given the option. This isn't just a missing game mechanic - it's put in place on purpose because Male-Shepard is not gay.

Is there anybody here who is naive enough to think Bioware lacked the know-how to inpliment a gay romance? They've done it before. The only reason NOT to include this option is because (and for the last time) Male-Shepard is not gay.

People have already linked the same-sex voice options that were considered for inclusion in the game.  The only reason bioware DIDN'T include same-sex romance in their games is because of the RAMPANT homophobia accross the globe.  Here in the U.S. it's just the "christian right" bozos we have to worry about... but remember there are still countries where homosexuality is so taboo that it is a capital offense.


If you recall, ME 1 was not banned because of SEX but because of LESBIAN SEX.

People love to throw around that "homophobic" term. You're the one that needed to reinforce their heterosexuality by talking about your "hot" wife. Hipocracy is bitter, isn't it?

If Bioware didn't include the gay romance options that they created... then that just proves my point once and for all. Honestly, that's pretty much a /thread right there.

Damn.  Orogenic just got destroyed AGAIN.  How much punishment can he and his super model wife take?  Are they Krogan?

[Bryy_Miller]

Orogenic wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...

And I'm the king of Uzbekistan.  My status is greater than yours.  I don't give a damn about who you are and how hot your wife may or may not be, and I definitely don't care about her reasons for dropping you.

I've provided post after post of logic, all you claim is nothing.  You make no claim.  You have no counter-argument to me.  I'll respond to you again if you make a counter to what I and some other bright posters on here have been saying.  Til then, enjoy your imaginary wife.

What you are is a child.  

I'm of the notion that Red is very, very young, as well. That's the only explanation for what he is posting about other people and their responses. I mean, he called one guy the worst person on earth for simply refusing to partake in this thread, and now he says that everyone responding negatively to him is not only ILLITERATE but GAY. Even the people that agree with him but not with his methods get pooped on. Now he's trying to get a 58-page thread redirected here? I'm beginning to think that this was just a sly way for him to bash gays.

[Creature 1]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Creature 1 wrote...

ReDSH1FT wrote...
Shepard has the chance to flirt with a lot of guys in the series, but doesn't.  Instead he has a lot of options to flirt with girls.  He may or may not have, but the options are there because he is genuinely interested.  Because he's hetero.

THAT'S MY HINGE KIDDO, argue against that.

In Dragon Age my borderline lawful good mage had the option to murder knife an innocent monk.  She was not genuinely interested in stabbing him to death.  It was the last thing that it would occur to her to do.  It's an option, it's given to you, but that doesn't mean it's an option your particular character is interested in choosing. 

Your Shepherd may be straight, but someone else's Shepherd might not be. 

Wrong wrong wrong.

You said it yourself.  It was the last thing that it would occur to her to do.

Shepard doesn't even have the options, so it's not even the last thing he would do.  He would never do it.

You just owned yourself into oblivion.

You make no sense.  There are any number of actions that it would be in character for my character to do, yet I am unable to choose those options because the developers didn't write them into the game.  That's not because they know my character better than I do, it's because they only bother to come up with a handful of responses for any situation and force you to choose among these.  This is a limitation of the game, and the wider the variety of choices you are able to make, the more you can accurately play your character. 

[Kolaris8472]

Creid-X wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Valcutio wrote...
Male Shepard can have a relationship with a total of 7 females between Mass Effect 1 and 2. This includes the 2 Asari which is debatably a straight hook-up (more or less). He isn't give the option to flirt with any men through either game. Not given the option to even suggest he's interested in the dozens of men he meets.

So you consider Asari female? So you can have a "gay" Shephard, a female Shephard can have an intimate experience with two separate Asari. 

Female Shepard has been portrayed as bisexual since ME1, no matter how you want to play with words or how mono-gendered they are Asari are analogous to women, and so the logical conclusion is that FemShep is attracted to other females, this is also reinforced by the fact that she can romance Kelly in ME2.

However there is no indication whatsoever despite what people might claim or what ifs that male Shepard has shown interest in males in any game and logically it should continue being so for the sake of continuity.

Interesting, I don't honestly think they'd go that far in driving a wedge between the two Shephard genders, but its a valid position at least. More than most in this thread. 

[Orogenic]

wikkedjoker wrote...

Plus, think of the voice actors. If there not comfortable performing gay orientated lines, than your not going to get them.

Any actor with this attitude would be a joke.... reference Tom Hanks, Antonio Banderas, Robin Willians, Kevin Kline, Tom Selleck, etc etc...