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Why are humans so strong a force in the galaxy?

Débuté par Solitas777 , févr. 06 2010 08:41

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:16

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Because it's a science fiction piece written by humans.

If there is another species out there, that like us is wondering whether or not they are alone they too will be writing science fiction that portrays their species as being powerful for a new comer.

If on the slim chance we haven't wiped ourselves out due to our own hubris and shortsightedness (mankind's true defining qualities) and somehow manage to colonize space it's going to be far different.

If we found alien races have been populating the stars for millenia while we've just made our first colony outside of our solar system 50 years ago then there is going to be a massive catch up time. Centuries, even milleia.

Modifié par michaelrsa, 14 avril 2011 - 06:17 .

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:37

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michaelrsa wrote...

Because it's a science fiction piece written by humans.

Hehe, at last a good post after a series of "because humans are awesum".

Alien races in a sci-fi like that tend to portray various extremes of human psyche, with the actual sci-fi humans being the "sensible middle ground". As the human option is the "proper" one, there is a temptation to indulge in making us feel all swell, warm and fuzzy, as evidenced in ME2 and its humans becoming a superpower over the weekend.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:40

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Because the Turians et al. are apparently really rubbish soldiers

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:44

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Humans are Special.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 06:45

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Wulfram wrote...

Because the Turians et al. are apparently really rubbish soldiers

Humanity's first contact with an alien race occurred in 2157. At that time, the Alliance allowed survey fleets to activate any dormant mass relaysdiscovered, a practice considered dangerous and irresponsible by Council-aligned races. When a turian patrol discovered a human fleet attempting to activate a relay, they attacked. One human vessel survived, retreating to the colony of Shanxi.The turians followed, quickly defeating the local forces. Shanxi was occupied, the first - and, to date, only - human world to be conquered by an alien species. The turians believed the handful of ships they defeated represented the bulk of human defenses. So they were unprepared when the Second Fleet under Admiral Kastanie Drescher, launched a strong counteroffensive, evicting them from Shanxi.The turians mobilized for full-scale war, drawing the attention of the rest of the galaxy. The Council quickly intervened, forcing a truce. Fortunately for humanity, the First Contact War was ended with a diplomatic solution.

The turians were taken by surprise, they didn't think we were as big as we really were.

If the Council hadn't intervened we'd have gotten our asses kicked by a military 5 times our size.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:13

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As I said on one of the previous pages, it bears repeating.

I don't mind humans being strong newcomers, but keep it in the realm of the plausible. From system-bound species to galactic power in 35 years is preposterous. The other species might stagnate - that means humanity has the chance to catch up in the first place - but it'll take a lot more than 35 years. Add a zero and things get more believable.

This ridiculously compressed timeline has bugged me since ME1.

Any yet here you are getting ready to buy ME3 I bet.

"Don't you dare make humans too special Bioware! Or else I'll... I'll... complain some moar!"
:lol:

Exactly. It's not annoying enough to deprive myself of an engaging story and interesting characters by not buying the game, but annoying enough to write rants about it.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:33

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I always thought that in the beginning of ME1, they weren't. They were plentiful, ambitious, and tenacious, but not militarily or politically powerful. But, because of the actions of Shepard, that changes.

All other species -- including the most powerful races, the races of the Council -- ignored Saren, the geth, and the reapers, leaving Shepard as the only person who could defend the galaxy or even gave a bleep about it. When the one man stands between the galaxy and the outside forces that want to destroy it is a human, humanity gets respect. Does that make sense?

Defend the plot!

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:43

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Humans are awsome deal with it.
I wonder if you guys ever read any history, our history is epic.
You also seem to assume we are stupid, wat?

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:48

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esideras wrote...
Humans are awsome deal with it.
I wonder if you guys ever read any history, our history is epic.
You also seem to assume we are stupid, wat?


Generally we've only gotten really stupid and lazy recently. Maybe after WWIII owe got on the right track or something.

I'd imagine all of the major races had a period of rapid expansion after they discovered mass effect field technology and started taking advantage of that.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:49

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we are just the best, plus your human anyways, why focus more on another race? the game wouldnt be that fun if it was focus on the salarians, turians, etc. maybe in other mass effect games but not in this trilogy.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 08:52

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HunterX6 wrote...

we are just the best, plus your human anyways, why focus more on another race? the game wouldnt be that fun if it was focus on the salarians, turians, etc. maybe in other mass effect games but not in this trilogy.


The game could have just as easily been focused on humans if they were all homeless people who turned into vanilla milkshakes every three minutes.  Please at least read the opening post when you reply to a thread.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 09:56

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Zayle79 wrote...

I always thought that in the beginning of ME1, they weren't. They were plentiful, ambitious, and tenacious, but not militarily or politically powerful. But, because of the actions of Shepard, that changes.

Yeah, it was much more logical in ME1, it is only in ME2 when it took the turn towards the silly.

Also, about that "humans are plentiful" part. I have a strong impression that other rtaces still vastly outnumber the humans in the galaxy - I am no lore buff, but I guess humans have, like, two full-fledged worlds (earth and terra nova) while other races have dozens each, at least. I mean, that Ilum place seemed pretty metropolitan and I thin I read it was a fringe world by Asari standards.

Oh, just looked into Mass Effect wiki:
Terra Nova ( "It currently has the highest population of any Alliance colony." Population: 4.4 million

Illium ("youngest Asari colony") Population: 84,900,000

Seriously, the only reason why the Council races might seem weak is that they are complacent and they don't care about flexing their muscles. Were humans to really annoy them, they would omnomnom them in an instant.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:05

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Yeah, it was much more logical in ME1, it is only in ME2 when it took the turn towards the silly.

Also, about that "humans are plentiful" part. I have a strong impression that other rtaces still vastly outnumber the humans in the galaxy - I am no lore buff, but I guess humans have, like, two full-fledged worlds (earth and terra nova) while other races have dozens each, at least. I mean, that Ilum place seemed pretty metropolitan and I thin I read it was a fringe world by Asari standards.

Oh, just looked into Mass Effect wiki:
Terra Nova ( "It currently has the highest population of any Alliance colony." Population: 4.4 million

Illium ("youngest Asari colony") Population: 84,900,000

Seriously, the only reason why the Council races might seem weak is that they are complacent and they don't care about flexing their muscles. Were humans to really annoy them, they would omnomnom them in an instant.

It's all a matter of time.

The Council species have been colonizing space for well over a millenia before we showed up. I wouldn't be surprised if each species out numbers us by at least a factor of 5.

We're still small fish compared to them.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:25

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Mouton_Alpha wrote...

Zayle79 wrote...

I always thought that in the beginning of ME1, they weren't. They were plentiful, ambitious, and tenacious, but not militarily or politically powerful. But, because of the actions of Shepard, that changes.

Yeah, it was much more logical in ME1, it is only in ME2 when it took the turn towards the silly.

Also, about that "humans are plentiful" part. I have a strong impression that other rtaces still vastly outnumber the humans in the galaxy - I am no lore buff, but I guess humans have, like, two full-fledged worlds (earth and terra nova) while other races have dozens each, at least. I mean, that Ilum place seemed pretty metropolitan and I thin I read it was a fringe world by Asari standards.

Oh, just looked into Mass Effect wiki:
Terra Nova ( "It currently has the highest population of any Alliance colony." Population: 4.4 million

Illium ("youngest Asari colony") Population: 84,900,000

Seriously, the only reason why the Council races might seem weak is that they are complacent and they don't care about flexing their muscles. Were humans to really annoy them, they would omnomnom them in an instant.


The low population of the Alliance and its colonies isn't a weakness, it is its strenght.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:28

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Most weapon and armor manufacturers in ME1 (the best ones anyways) are human. They even make Turian and Krogan armor!

It's a bit of a stretch considering it's barely 3 decades since first contact. It would have made mroe sense if ME1 is set more than half a century after Shanxi.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:33

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It's more like 'most weapon/armor manufacturers we find items from.' I mean, if I were an American soldier in Iraq I'd still expect to buy most my stuff from American suppliers, for a number of reasons.

Agree about a timeskip, of course.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:34

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Humanity is far from being the strongest in the galaxy. The other races are just letting us play around. They could wipe us out at any time if they wanted to. But I guess that'd be a bit too messy for their taste.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Most weapon and armor manufacturers in ME1 (the best ones anyways) are human. They even make Turian and Krogan armor!

It's a bit of a stretch considering it's barely 3 decades since first contact. It would have made mroe sense if ME1 is set more than half a century after Shanxi.

See, this is what I would have liked as well. Then it would be far more believable.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:39

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If I remember correctly, humans also invented medi-gel.

Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 14 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

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AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Humans also invented medi-gel.

Which is pretty odd. In the thousands of years before we came along nobody thought of such a thing? It's a little difficult to swallow.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:44

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old thread is old

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:45

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michaelrsa wrote...
Which is pretty odd. In the thousands of years before we came along nobody thought of such a thing? It's a little difficult to swallow.


Again, timeline is not just a little messed up.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:55

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michaelrsa wrote...

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Humans also invented medi-gel.

Which is pretty odd. In the thousands of years before we came along nobody thought of such a thing? It's a little difficult to swallow.


Because it's technically illegal by Citadel law.

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Posté 14 avril 2011 - 10:58

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's more like 'most weapon/armor manufacturers we find items from.' I mean, if I were an American soldier in Iraq I'd still expect to buy most my stuff from American suppliers, for a number of reasons.


But even aliens sell the weapons, not only the alliance. It seems to me that human weapons are so good that they invaded the galactic market. IIRC, even Specter weapons are human made.

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Because it's technically illegal by Citadel law.

AI research is illegal but the Citadel still gives certain companies the right to research it (makes sense, you need to understand AI to protect against it). 

I don't see why one of their licenced genetics companies didn't come up with something like that centuries ago.
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