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Genetic diversity and driven, competitive nature.

Genetic diversity means that a race can be great at many different things, even disciplines on the supposed opposite ends of the spectrum ie. artistry to astrophysics etc. Such diversity rounds the species off well whereas other species that are less diverse may only be good at one particular thing.

Competitive nature just means an awesome source for motivation to move forwards and pressure to live, learn and decide quickly compared to other races like Asari who move through life much more slowly.

If you combine the two you get a force to be reckoned with....

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 février 2010 - 11:11 .


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Humanities strength is not how adaptable we are, its not how diverse we are, its the fact we pick up on things amazingly fast, and when pressed, we can quickly understand new ideas, and bring them to life far faster then most other things on our planet can, and with the addition of Prothean Tech/Council Support, I'm surprised we didn't advance even faster in the ME universe.


This, and the fact that we are always questioning things and looking for answers to those questions. 

Think of humans when compared to the council races in the ME universe.  If a new primary ME relay is found, they leave it alone.  They do not want to know what is on the other end because there MIGHT be somehting bad.

Humans, well, we turn the damn thing on and find out.  We deal with it being either a good idea or bad after the fact.

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Nautica773 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Because they dont make their genetic code "different" as much as they add on to what is already there that doesnt alter the underlying genetic code of what it is to be an asari which is apparently not very diverse from what we are told. If you take two Asari from the same mother with a different father the genetic difference is probably very small while two human children born from the same mother with different father's can be very very different at a genetic level


I don't think it's as different as you think it is. Nor do genetics code for what you think they do. You realize, on a genetic level, humans and chimpanzees have almost 98% identical DNA, right? Furthermore, most of the genetic code is what we deem 'junk DNA'. It's superfluous coding that doesn't really produce anything of meaning. The rest? Mostly instructions that create the proteins, amino acids and other building blocks of our bodies.


You've interpreted 'junk DNA' slightly wrongly IMO, or whoever taught you has. Junk DNA is dubbed "Junk" not because it produces nothing meaningful but because modern science doesn't know what it does. There's a big difference between ignorance of something and it being useless. It's possible it's only there for extra genetic 'capacity' in the case of evolution but most of it is simply locked away right now. Some people think it's useless, some people think it's a relic of past evolution and some people think it's our damn soul - either way we have no idea what it is at the moment.

Humanity's "great" genetic diversity would be less than 1% of their entire genetic code.


Which is 30 million different possible combinations of gene pairings.... Percentages are only a useful way of describing size from a relative point of view...using them in this case is like saying the Earth is small because it amounts to less than 1% of the matter in the Universe.

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They don't actually do this.

They use another race's geneic code to randomize their own genetics. They also may gain some personality traits from the father.


Isn't that what reproduction is? When a women gets pregnant, the fetus isn't going to have some new nucleobase added to its chromosomes. What it inherits from its mother and father is just the different sequencing of the different nucleobases. In theory, if a woman were capable of reorganizing these bases herself, she wouldn't need a male to procreate and still produce an individual with a different genetic makeup.


Yes and no.... Reproduction itself is a randomization of parent DNA, this is true, but if the process of procreation were pure randomization and nothing more than no race or species would evolve or 'improve' over time but simply remain static variants. Besides, with Asari it seems that comparatively their child receives a low array of DNA randomization which would result in much slower evolution.

We don't know completely what causes the ability for beings to 'improve' through evolution, nor why animals instinctively know where to go and what to do, but a popular theory is that memory is encoded into DNA meaning your memories before producing a child will be passed on to your child's subconscious memory banks and therefore contribute an ever increasing improvement to the species.

Even if this particular means of improvement isn't true it still remains that there is a little more than pure randomization involved in reproduction to contribute to evolution, and with Asari it seems this 'improvement' is comparatively less than humans.

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Can't really say, but the most obvious problem is that the vorcha spend their lifespans being idiots


Out of the realm of fiction the same could be said about ****** sapiens in general, as a whole we are pretty idiotic. Every once and while someone comes along who IS innovative and/or posses great intellect that changes our course but they are few and far between. If you look at the human population at any given time and compare it to the number of great thinkers within the population the great thinkers seem to be something of fluke and are actually quite rare.

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Pff, humans aren't that strong a force. Colonies seem to go missing every other day of the week and nothing happens. :P That being said, it only takes 1 ship and a rag tag team of criminals and specialists to save them. So I suppose it evens out.

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Actually it wouldve been cooler and more understandable if humans were the underdogs, i wouldve liked that more.
It wouldve been something different and hey it so wouldve fit ME

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Well we were the underdogs but you really need to read the books to get the true sense of that - we were the last on the galactic scene for example and our brief war against the Turians was rather alike Rocky vs. Apollo.

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None of the races are super advanced, they all just piggy backed off of someone else's technology.

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because volus suck at life, turians are in love with themselves, asari are for sex, krogan are dying, salarians are ******,  elcor cant pick up a gun, vorcha are just crazy, hanar i dont even need to explain,  batarians cry over humans pwning them to much, and nobody likes quarians, i think thats all the races, i think im missing a few though

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"If you want a problem shot, ask a Turian. If you want a problem talked to death, ask an Asari. If you want a new problem, ask a Salarian. If you want a problem fixed, ask a Human."

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I think it's somewhat of a flavor of the month sort of thing. We are a new, well rounded race. The galaxy was dominated by a few races and now another race is popping out that is considered in the same class. Like others have mentioned, the others have no right to look down on the other races. They are all using the same borrowed tech.



Also, looking at galatic history, many races rose out of obsecurity to rise to the near top. Some went down in flames (Krogan, rachni) and others achieved. Look at the volus, they revolutionized the economy, humanity is just saving the galaxy with Shepard and all.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"If you want a problem shot, ask a Turian. If you want a problem talked to death, ask an Asari. If you want a new problem, ask a Salarian. If you want a problem fixed, ask a Human."


You put that in quotes - is it an actual line from the game? :o

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Myrmedus wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

"If you want a problem shot, ask a Turian. If you want a problem talked to death, ask an Asari. If you want a new problem, ask a Salarian. If you want a problem fixed, ask a Human."


You put that in quotes - is it an actual line from the game? :o


It's in the forged ID sidequest.  That's the renegade answer to the ****ing asari.

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Ah I never did complete that quest, could never find the people who needed the ID!

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I see everyone bringing up fleet numbers(specifically Dreadnaughts) to argue that our fleet isn't near as strong as the others.



A modern day example would be the U.S Air Force. Our fighter jets are designed to engage multiple targets at once, reducing the need for more jets.



What's preventing us from thinking the Alliance Fleet isn't the same? Fewer ships but more capable of handling multiple targets at once.



Look at the Normandy 2, handled multiple Collector fighter drones and a Collector ship that was easily three times it's "class" size.

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The normandy 2 used quarian shields and a turian gun. Just saying. I don't believe that humans could powerful in such a short time. Even if we're able to advance very quickly, like from flight to space, why wouldn't other species be able to do this? Maybe the prothean technology we found on mars had more good stuff in it than what other races found.

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I looked though the post of this thread and no one mentions one of the biggest reasons humans are so dominate for a new species.

Medigel was created by humans, and is technically a banned type of genetic engineering but it was made before the first contact war and is so useful the council made an exception for it.

In short if it wasn't for humans many more people would die from wounds that medigel can easily stabilize while in the field.

Then there's the first contact war where the Turians thought humans to so much of a threat that they started preparing for full scale which got the councils attention.

Also we're prettier and more useful than the Batarians so the council favored humans in colonization disputes which eventually lead to the Batarian government leaving council space.

All of this info is right there in the game's codex you just have to read/listen to it.

Modifié par LxLegend, 07 février 2010 - 05:58 .


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It's just one of those sci-fi cliches. Most of the aliens have monocultures while humans are diverse. Many older aliens have longer life-spans so they're more rigid and less accepting of change. Humans are shown as courageous, inventive, and willing to step into the unknown.

It's just like how in Star Trek, humans created a huge Federation with hundreds of member races only 300 years after they discovered warp travel while the Vulcans weren't able to do much of anything in the 2,000 years since they discovered warp travel.

The same thing is happening in Mass Effect. Humans have only had mass effect technology for 30 years and they're already coming close to the power of the older races.

Modifié par Giantevilhead, 07 février 2010 - 02:02 .


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Medigel is definitely a big part of it - it's literally used by everyone in the field; that equals money, power and potential for high growth.

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Myrmedus wrote...

Medigel is definitely a big part of it - it's literally used by everyone in the field; that equals money, power and potential for high growth.


Makes me wonder how Sirta Foundation could be rumoured to be close to filing for bankruptcy (and closing) by the end of the year for never recovering from an attack by biotic extremists.

I'm guessing that it could mean that I actually accidentally killed a scientist if it's based off the results of that hallucinogenic drug mission from ME1, but I'm also pretty sure I didn't kill any scientist or if someone did die, then it would of been only 1.

Either way, I can't see how the company, *the* company who made medi-gel, could be close to collapse even if every scientist died, because it's monthly interest payments from its super-massive bank accounts would surely be able to afford insurance payouts to the families of the deceased without too much problems.

Medi-gel would have to be used by every single military force in the galaxy (official... or Sirta would have them over the legal barrel) - even if Cerberus was cheating and making its own tech. Then we'd be looking at construction industries... every industry where there is a risk of injury. Sirta close to bankruptcy is ridiculous!

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Arijharn wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Medigel is definitely a big part of it - it's literally used by everyone in the field; that equals money, power and potential for high growth.


Makes me wonder how Sirta Foundation could be rumoured to be close to filing for bankruptcy (and closing) by the end of the year for never recovering from an attack by biotic extremists.

I'm guessing that it could mean that I actually accidentally killed a scientist if it's based off the results of that hallucinogenic drug mission from ME1, but I'm also pretty sure I didn't kill any scientist or if someone did die, then it would of been only 1.

Either way, I can't see how the company, *the* company who made medi-gel, could be close to collapse even if every scientist died, because it's monthly interest payments from its super-massive bank accounts would surely be able to afford insurance payouts to the families of the deceased without too much problems.

Medi-gel would have to be used by every single military force in the galaxy (official... or Sirta would have them over the legal barrel) - even if Cerberus was cheating and making its own tech. Then we'd be looking at construction industries... every industry where there is a risk of injury. Sirta close to bankruptcy is ridiculous!


It's probably bad press from the accidental release of the T-virus.

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Because the writers are humans?

A whole race of Mary Sues, happens sometimes inevitably in Sci-fi and fantasy when humans write it, and it's a very old and cliched plot device. One I hope will not reveal itself so much in Mass Effect cause it cheapens the other races and a great story in my opinion.

If i were writing sci-fi, and I propably will at some point of my life, I would not use this.

Modifié par armass, 07 février 2010 - 02:51 .


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The humans have conquered the galaxy!

SPOILERS

My femshep killed the counsel and is going to leave the base for cerebus. :) And I really hate the humans in mass effect, it's going to be fun to see how bad they get in 3.



But yeah, humans do seem a bit too... strong. I have to agree with the mad batarian profit and the turian in the wards "You humans are all racist!"

:)

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Humans are among the least genetically diverse species on the planet, simply because we haven't been around very long. It's all a function of time and reproductive cycle. Longer-lived species are going to be evolutionarily and genetically stagnant, because the older, undesirable traits are staying in the pool longer. Short-lived species like the Salarians should be the most diverse.

But that's talking strictly genetic. I think what Bioware is trying to get across is that humans have a wider aptitude range than other species, which is a trait that may be tied to a single gene, the same way that domesticated dogs can take on many shapes and sizes, but still remain almost identical genetically.

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Because the game was made by humans, so they want humans to be the strongest.