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[Randy1012]

It really is more than a little ridiculous. Yes, we as a species are tremendously adaptive and ambitious, but there's no way that, in less than thirty years, humanity would have spread as far across Citadel space and the Terminus Systems as it seems to have done by the time of ME2, and been there long enough to become so dominant so quickly. It's just not possible. The timeline should have been extended by at least fifty years.

The Prothean data cache on Mars was discovered in 2148. It should have taken at least a decade for humanity to fully decipher all of the information locked away within it. They should have discovered basic FTL technology via mass effect fields first and colonized a few nearby star systems, such as Alpha Centauri, Sirius, Vega, etc. Then they could have discovered the mass relays and found the Charon Relay orbiting Pluto, which led to the Arcturus Relay. At this point in time humanity should still have been divided. Maybe there was some sort of civil war between Earth and the colonies leading to the formation of the Systems Alliance based in Arcturus, which is the main relay for the Local Cluster.

So maybe now it's around 2180. In thirty years, humanity has colonized most of the habitable planets and moons in the Local Cluster. Maybe they've created medigel in this time, and that plus medical advancements thanks to the Protheans have extended human lifespans and drastically improved quality of life. They probably would have sent out a few expeditions through the Arcturus Relay to find more systems in which they could spread their booming population. Then they run across the turians, and fight the First Contact War. Then things progress pretty much the same way, except it takes humanity about fifty years to spread out into Citadel space and found all their colonies in the Attican Traverse, instead of thirty. So maybe by the time of ME1 the year is 2233 instead of 2183. It's still kind of rapid advancement, but not to the ludicrous degree that we see in the games.

[mcvxiii]

Arijharn wrote...
Makes me wonder how Sirta Foundation could be rumoured to be close to filing for bankruptcy (and closing) by the end of the year for never recovering from an attack by biotic extremists.

I'm guessing that it could mean that I actually accidentally killed a scientist if it's based off the results of that hallucinogenic drug mission from ME1, but I'm also pretty sure I didn't kill any scientist or if someone did die, then it would of been only 1.

Either way, I can't see how the company, *the* company who made medi-gel, could be close to collapse even if every scientist died, because it's monthly interest payments from its super-massive bank accounts would surely be able to afford insurance payouts to the families of the deceased without too much problems.

Medi-gel would have to be used by every single military force in the galaxy (official... or Sirta would have them over the legal barrel) - even if Cerberus was cheating and making its own tech. Then we'd be looking at construction industries... every industry where there is a risk of injury. Sirta close to bankruptcy is ridiculous!

Maybe they are entering bankruptcy because they gave away medi-gel like it was candy on halloween. Several locales in ME1 had medi-gel dispensors that pumped out an endless supply of the stuff at no cost and those weren't trial sizes.

[mcharj11]

Tamcia wrote...

Hy are not. Hey have weakest military (number of dreads 8, salarians have 16, asari 20, turians like 36 or smth). Number of colonies isn't much larger nor is the population. Tech is not so advanced as well.

If you look at the timeline you will notice how suprisngly fast humans reached what they have now - even though thy still have much catching up to do.

The percentages in Chimp to Human DNA are always being revised, it has not been anywhere near 98% for some time.

Modifié par mcharj11, 07 février 2010 - 03:47 .

[HAGA NAGA]

Solitas777 wrote...

How is it that humanity became as strong as the council races in like three decades? Stolen prothean tech? Also, even if the council was killed in the last game how is it possible they didnt send replacements? Are you telling me the Asari, Turian, and Salarians entire military was at the citadel?

Because most humans like humanity.

Because, read the books and the codex. it explains it to you in great detail.

[mcharj11]

Mudzr wrote...

The humans have conquered the galaxy!
SPOILERS
My femshep killed the counsel and is going to leave the base for cerebus. And I really hate the humans in mass effect, it's going to be fun to see how bad they get in 3.

But yeah, humans do seem a bit too... strong. I have to agree with the mad batarian profit and the turian in the wards "You humans are all racist!"

I'm sure he said "Humans are a blight", never heard him say racist, and if you actually pay any attention at all while playing ME 1 or 2 you will notice that all races are "racist", it is a natural defence to protect ones own kind.

[Himmelstor]

mcharj11 wrote...

Tamcia wrote...

Hy are not. Hey have weakest military (number of dreads 8, salarians have 16, asari 20, turians like 36 or smth). Number of colonies isn't much larger nor is the population. Tech is not so advanced as well.

If you look at the timeline you will notice how suprisngly fast humans reached what they have now - even though thy still have much catching up to do.

The percentages in Chimp to Human DNA are always being revised, it has not been anywhere near 98% for some time.

Dreadnoughts not a measure of actual fleet strength. Systems Alliance has larger amounts of smaller ships. And carriers, unknown before First Contact War.

[Shock35]

ideally, it's our individualism, adaptability, and drive that allows that makes us strong. Turians are have a group bias due to both biology and culture. Asari could be more driven but let's face it, you can live to be over 500+ years old, you don't have much drive to do anything. Salarians go in the other direction. they are incredibly driven (given their low life span) but they lack in adaptability (can't take a hit and as a society, aren't geared toward military prowess)



humanity is basically in the middle of the road. the jack of all trades.

[Guaritor]

Default137 wrote...

Look at our own history, in less then a hundred years, we've gone from single shot rifles, extremely basic communication, planes made out of paper and sticks that could barely hold one person and a gun, and honestly not even knowing that there was more then five planets in our Solar System to talking about the fact there may be a Multiverse of sorts, having planes that can carry 300-500 people at a time, the internet, really I could go on here.

One of my favorites is first flight to space flight in what? 58 years?

[adam_grif]

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

[rumination888]

Nautica773 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Because they dont make their genetic code "different" as much as they add on to what is already there that doesnt alter the underlying genetic code of what it is to be an asari which is apparently not very diverse from what we are told. If you take two Asari from the same mother with a different father the genetic difference is probably very small while two human children born from the same mother with different father's can be very very different at a genetic level

I don't think it's as different as you think it is. Nor do genetics code for what you think they do. You realize, on a genetic level, humans and chimpanzees have almost 98% identical DNA, right? Furthermore, most of the genetic code is what we deem 'junk DNA'. It's superfluous coding that doesn't really produce anything of meaning. The rest? Mostly instructions that create the proteins, amino acids and other building blocks of our bodies. 

Humanity's "great" genetic diversity would be less than 1% of their entire genetic code. 

The_mango55 wrote...
They don't actually do this.

They use another race's geneic code to randomize their own genetics. They also may gain some personality traits from the father.

Isn't that what reproduction is? When a women gets pregnant, the fetus isn't going to have some new nucleobase added to its chromosomes. What it inherits from its mother and father is just the different sequencing of the different nucleobases. In theory, if a woman were capable of reorganizing these bases herself, she wouldn't need a male to procreate and still produce an individual with a different genetic makeup.

^
That.

The "scientific" stuff regarding species thats in Mass Effect makes me facepalm a lot.
I feel like I'm reading stuff straight out of a 1600s-1900s treatise on various "races" outside of Europe.

Modifié par rumination888, 07 février 2010 - 04:27 .

[GnusmasTHX]

adam_grif wrote...

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

All the technology is based off the same source.

Humanity was given some two thousand year headstart with the Prothean cache on Mars.

[J_chambers]

Modifié par J_chambers, 07 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[adam_grif]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

All the technology is based off the same source.

Humanity was given some two thousand year headstart with the Prothean cache on Mars.

Not so, the galaxy is undergoing constant technological advance. What's strange isn't that they're using the same sorts of technologies, but that a race that has been space faring for 100 years is on par in terms of material science, tactics and so on with the Asari, who have been space faring for 2000 years, or the Turians who have been involved in constant conflicts and wars in space for the better part of 1000 years.

It's just some kind of bizzarro technological stasis, and judging by the rate of progress being made between ME and ME2, even outside of reverse engineering repaper tech, it really shouldn't have been like that.

I mean what, did everybody just stop doing science for 2000 years? When the Asari had mass effect technology and space ships, steel swords were cutting edge technology on Earth. The only way this could have happened is that they just totally stopped doing all science when they discovered prothean / reaper tech.

Which is very silly.

[thethain]

 One of the parts of humanities power and influence in the citadel attack is in the codex.

Alliance strategy is to leave basically only listening posts on any colony and keep massive fleets available at intermediary mass relays. As such humans colonies have suffered many times to rather minor threats, however the alliance responds with an overwhelming counter attack. So when the citadel was attacked, the alliance had a completely ready and able fleet standing by to jump there.

Another part of the equation is that technology development is rather stunted. All civilizations slowly advance to space age, but then rapidly jump when they encounter the "prothean" technology of mass relays. Basically technology is spent mimicking rather than creating. So the humans, were not far behind once they learned to mimic the basics of "prothean" technology.

[casedawgz]

All the species are basically using borrowed tech. Humans just happen to be badass, and get the most use out of their borrowed tech.

[GnusmasTHX]

adam_grif wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

All the technology is based off the same source.

Humanity was given some two thousand year headstart with the Prothean cache on Mars.

Not so, the galaxy is undergoing constant technological advance. What's strange isn't that they're using the same sorts of technologies, but that a race that has been space faring for 100 years is on par in terms of material science, tactics and so on with the Asari, who have been space faring for 2000 years, or the Turians who have been involved in constant conflicts and wars in space for the better part of 1000 years.

It's just some kind of bizzarro technological stasis, and judging by the rate of progress being made between ME and ME2, even outside of reverse engineering repaper tech, it really shouldn't have been like that.

I mean what, did everybody just stop doing science for 2000 years? When the Asari had mass effect technology and space ships, steel swords were cutting edge technology on Earth. The only way this could have happened is that they just totally stopped doing all science when they discovered prothean / reaper tech.

Which is very silly.

Well  you don't really know how advanced asari technology was 2000 years ago. You know they're already using element zero and mass accelerators, but the level of sophistication is still up in the air.

If you consider Prothean technology as current galactic "state of the art" (With the exception of assimilated Reaper tech, it's still probably a bit more advanced.), even humanity, with the Mars cache, hasn't reached that level of sophistication. The Mars cache is supposed to be an unprecedented collection of Prothean technology. It's likely that all the other races discovered just bits and pieces, and built up from there. Humanity on the other hand was given a large and high enough foundation that they were able to match at least turian technology.

For example, humans were given plans for starships, weapons and power sources, whereas the asari discovered a derelict starship. The fact that humanity had instructions and blue prints, whereas the asari had a broken ship allows them to pursue the same path at completely different rates.

The fact that our technology, in general, is still less advanced than that of the Protheans, means that there are still some hundreds of years difference between their level of understanding of Reaper tech and ours.  Which could account for the apparent asari and turian 'dark ages'.

It should also be apparent that Mass Effect technology is like the be all and end all area of science. Reapers still use it. We now have Reaper weapons, again by adapting another races technology. It makes sense that technological advancement stagnates around this point.

Nevertheless, it's not too surprising when you realize that the entire galactic communities space-faring developments have been orchestrated and funneled into one path of progression by giant robot monsters.

[SharpEdgeSoda]

Didn't krogan threaten galactic stability within a hundred years? Sometimes, in galactic history, you discover some pretty wild pitches. And humanity has a pretty wicked change-up.

[SharpEdgeSoda]

Nigh instantanueos galactic travel doesn't hurt either. Only took humanity a couple millenia to develope technology to communicate to anyone on our own planet instantly, now give them similar tech on a galactic scale, and damn strait we will take advanatge.

[Nautica773]

rumination888 wrote...
The "scientific" stuff regarding species thats in Mass Effect makes me facepalm a lot.
I feel like I'm reading stuff straight out of a 1600s-1900s treatise on various "races" outside of Europe.

Yeah. It's frustrating the way popular media handle sciences when you're actually educated in the field. I keep promising myself that I won't let it bother me. I really need to learn to just laugh and go along with it, no matter how wildly off-base it is.

[daytona123]

The reason we are so powerful is because we are kinder cuter Krogans. Altho we worry and frighten a lot of the other races, because we do it nicely most of the time they are kinda ok with it.



Its like the difference of being in school and a bully punching you in the gut and taking your lunch (Krogan) and your buddy asking you for a part of your lunch everyday(Human). For the bully your going to eventually get a teacher involved or stop eating lunch/avoid the bully. For your buddy your probably going to give him a fry or two because you really dont want to get into a fight over one fry. In the long run your buddy is going to screw you out of alot of resources even if you don't always give him anything.



As for why if you killed the council/started a new guy, are humans leading the council, I think there are new council members they just don't want to speak to you as you basically killed the old one. And since humans didn't really lose and ships they kinda take over the turians role as the military might on the council. Basically tho its probably just so humans have a bigger influence in ME3 and not have 2 completely separate stories for those who saved them and are part of the council now and those who didn't.

[The_mango55]

adam_grif wrote...

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

The races all discovered tech that was left by the reapers and has been in use by thousands of civilizations for millions of years. There's no room left for improvement.

The only differences between a small culture that just found the tech and one that's been using it for thousands of years is scale. That's still represented pretty well I believe, considering the Turian fleet is 5 times the size of the Human fleet.

[Chained_Creator]

Solitas777 wrote...

How is it that humanity became as strong as the council races in like three decades? Stolen prothean tech? Also, even if the council was killed in the last game how is it possible they didnt send replacements? Are you telling me the Asari, Turian, and Salarians entire military was at the citadel?

Read the AAR in the Codex. The Turians and Asari took a major beating (major fleet contributors). A Human Fleet (We build **** faster than they do, basically. It's how the Allies won WWII.) guarded the Citadel for months.

Er, well, okay, maybe the Turians and Asari took more than "a major beating" if a Human fleet had to guard the Citadel even though the Turian Fleet was five times the size of the Human Fleet. More like a massacre.

Modifié par Chained_Creator, 07 février 2010 - 07:44 .

[sergio71785]

daytona123 wrote...

The reason we are so powerful is because we are kinder cuter Krogans.

This made me laugh because it's actually extremely true. 

[adam_grif]

The_mango55 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

The races all discovered tech that was left by the reapers and has been in use by thousands of civilizations for millions of years. There's no room left for improvement.

The only differences between a small culture that just found the tech and one that's been using it for thousands of years is scale. That's still represented pretty well I believe, considering the Turian fleet is 5 times the size of the Human fleet.

Erm, there obviously is drastic room for improvement, given how superior the collectors were, and then how superior the Reapers are above that.

Well  you don't really know how advanced asari technology was 2000
years ago. You know they're already using element zero and mass
accelerators, but the level of sophistication is still up in the air.

Technology advances extremely rapidly. The idea that it took 2000 years for the galaxy to catch up to where the humans were at, just because they discovered better ruins on Mars or something, is very silly.

Remember that it took 30 years to go from the very first fission bomb to sophistecated, computer guided intercontinental missiles with fusion warheads that had yields thousands of times greater. They are making technological progress, so why was it so slow?

Indeed, the Asari should have a huge advantage over all other species in tech development too, because they have thousand year lifespans. Their specialists don't decay and die when they hit their 80's, they live on and accumulate experience and knowledge.

In Earth terms, this would mean that Isaac Newton could have been swapping notes with Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawkings, because they were merely hundreds of years apart, like being born in different decades for humans. The great minds of generations pasts live on. Imagine if Aristottle or Socrates had lived to a thousand, how much further along things would have progressed.

The Protheans were around for less time than we were, but some how became far more advanced than we are even in 2185. Remember that the Reapers are hundreds of years overdue already. Certainly there is nothing stopping a race from becoming this advanced in the time-frame - so why haven't they?

Again, it's just bizarre technological stasis.

[NightLad]

RAMBO 46 wrote...

because we reproduce faster than rabbits we're extremely aggressive. we have the biggest bomb and we're the best shots. we fight even we know we're going to lose. we're very stubborn. we look the cool and we have ten fingures and ten toes and all other races are gay

I don't see what the other races being happy have to do with the OP...