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[Indie Thompson]

Humans try more different things. Was it not human corporation who made medi-gel that everyone is using now ?

[AlloutAce]

Personally I think the reason that we are so unique is a combination of 2 things; our life span and our unique culture.



We live to be approx. 150 (genetic engineer=medical advancements=longer life span). We are not too hurried or too laid back in our actions, some like the asari would call us ambitious, the salarians might call us dimwitted and slow. We are most similar to the turians who have similar life spans. This is where our culture steps in, unlike the turians, humanities culture is very ambitious, the turians lack this so much, they cant even operate as businessmen. We see a problem or obstacle and we work too overcome it at a steady pace, with ingenuity, for sci-fi this works well.



As far as our military power goes, I get the feeling that humanity has really stepped up in the world, no matter if you ended ME 1 paragon or renegade. The turian fleet was decimated, that probably made up most of the difference alone, not too mention, you can construct alot of ships in a 2 year period, especially when youve got the go ahead to build as many dreadnoughts as you'd like.



It takes a not-too particularly rushed america 7 years to construct a nimitz class aircraft carrier. Now how long do you think it would take a very rushed Alliance with nearly unlimited resources too build a bunch of cruisers, carriers, and dreadnoughts?

[Snowraptor]

Paeyvn wrote...

We found Prothean tech on Mars that allowed us to advance, and we advance fast. Liara actually goes into a dialogue about this at one point and mentions that it's actually intimidating to the other species, but that she after observing us believes it's really a strength. Think she says "You push towards your goals with an unstoppable determination" or something like that.

Took us a while to find the dormant relay out by Pluto because the thing was covered in ice and we thought it was a moon for the longest time, which gave us time to build up as humans do. Then the whole first contact war and us actually kicking the crap out of the Turian force sent in to stop us from activating the relay kinda sealed our place as a power to the galactic community. As it stands in ME1 we actually had a fairly large fleet, just limited by galactic law in number of dreadnoughts, but the council realized our potential strengths that we could bring with our ambition and at the Battle of the Citadel...they were pretty damn thankful for it.

actually the codex said fortunatley for the humans, the council steped in, In other words the turians would have bombed us even more, you made that beat the crap out of the turians up, we got them off gaurd and they came back with GREATER numbers, but council intervened

[DuffyMJ]

adam_grif wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

What I find silly about the whole ordeal is that the Asari and Turians have been council races for hundreds or thousands of years, but the human military was on par with the Turians technologically during the first contact war.

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The races all discovered tech that was left by the reapers and has been in use by thousands of civilizations for millions of years. There's no room left for improvement.

The only differences between a small culture that just found the tech and one that's been using it for thousands of years is scale. That's still represented pretty well I believe, considering the Turian fleet is 5 times the size of the Human fleet.

Erm, there obviously is drastic room for improvement, given how superior the collectors were, and then how superior the Reapers are above that.

Well  you don't really know how advanced asari technology was 2000
years ago. You know they're already using element zero and mass
accelerators, but the level of sophistication is still up in the air.

Technology advances extremely rapidly. The idea that it took 2000 years for the galaxy to catch up to where the humans were at, just because they discovered better ruins on Mars or something, is very silly.

Remember that it took 30 years to go from the very first fission bomb to sophistecated, computer guided intercontinental missiles with fusion warheads that had yields thousands of times greater. They are making technological progress, so why was it so slow?

Indeed, the Asari should have a huge advantage over all other species in tech development too, because they have thousand year lifespans. Their specialists don't decay and die when they hit their 80's, they live on and accumulate experience and knowledge.

In Earth terms, this would mean that Isaac Newton could have been swapping notes with Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawkings, because they were merely hundreds of years apart, like being born in different decades for humans. The great minds of generations pasts live on. Imagine if Aristottle or Socrates had lived to a thousand, how much further along things would have progressed.

The Protheans were around for less time than we were, but some how became far more advanced than we are even in 2185. Remember that the Reapers are hundreds of years overdue already. Certainly there is nothing stopping a race from becoming this advanced in the time-frame - so why haven't they?

Again, it's just bizarre technological stasis.

If Socrates could have lived to 1,000, he would have spent 950 years screwing gorgeous Greek girls before settling down to write some crap he vaguely remembered debating with Plato when he was 50 before dying

[Default137]

Guaritor wrote...

Default137 wrote...

Look at our own history, in less then a hundred years, we've gone from single shot rifles, extremely basic communication, planes made out of paper and sticks that could barely hold one person and a gun, and honestly not even knowing that there was more then five planets in our Solar System to talking about the fact there may be a Multiverse of sorts, having planes that can carry 300-500 people at a time, the internet, really I could go on here.

One of my favorites is first flight to space flight in what? 58 years?

The best has to be the nuke.

In less then fifteen years, we went from Mortars being the most powerful weapon we as humans had, to nuclear warheads, and then not even thirty years later, we ended up making nukes so powerful they now could most likely devstate several cities at once, if not a large section of a country.

Yet apparently humans have no special talents, eh?

Modifié par Default137, 07 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[GnusmasTHX]

It makes sense to me. Part of the Reaper plan is to make sure the separate races advance along the same route technologically, the application of element zero and mass effect fields, etc. And then they harvest this technology once it becomes sufficiently advanced, but not before they become too advanced. Maybe there's just something about mass effect research that it stagnates after its reached a certain point.



asari taking 2000 years to catch up with PROTHEAN technology is not silly at all. Prothean technology is the pinnacle of technological advancement, aside from the Reapers and probably Collector's.



The fact that all races are moving toward the same, already established goal lends itself to the idea that if a particular race was given a headstart, while all others progress at a normal rate from the beginning to the same end, that that race, even if it started late, would meet the others at the same level.



It's really not that different from the krogans being uplifted by the salarians, except in this case, the humans were uplifted by the Protheans, who are far more advanced, and thus we are uplifted by a larger magin, on par with the rest of the galaxy. Both races were able to make war with the already established galactic powers.



Also; humanity during the First Contact War was not that far advanced. We caught the turians in a surprise attack.

[Guaritor]

In Earth terms, this would mean that Isaac Newton could have been swapping notes with Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawkings, because they were merely hundreds of years apart, like being born in different decades for humans. The great minds of generations pasts live on. Imagine if Aristottle or Socrates had lived to a thousand, how much further along things would have progressed.

Sure Einstein woulda lived longer... but the people who believed the world was flat woulda lived longer too. Longer life spans means old people unwilling to part with their ways, human generations fly by, ways of thinking change all the time, innovation happens.



We'd still have people alive from the year 1010... people who thought the longbow was the greatest invention since sliced bread. Its another reason salarians seem to be brilliant.

[A Blind Bandit]

We are unsure. This platform requires more data to compile a full entry on humanities dominance.

[Randy1012]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also; humanity during the First Contact War was not that far advanced. We caught the turians in a surprise attack.

Right, it was humanity's unique tactics that caught the turians off guard, but that was only good enough for one battle. If the Council hadn't intervened, the turians would have turned their full military might against the Alliance, and would have mopped the floor with them.

[Gweedotk]

I'm gonna admit, I'm a little put off by the bias toward humans.



I may have just joined the forum, but I fell in love with this game back in 08. These are amazing games, the diversity of species introduced in the plot and the detail the team put into the storyline just put this game ahead of all the rest.



But the human dominance over the rest of these species... I know that I'm human and everybody else here is too, but come on... What made this series so great was it was different than the others, it's unique. Do you guys really want another "humanity is the greatest" story?

[Spartas Husky]

coz we got freagging carriers.

[incinerator950]

Spartas Husky wrote...

coz we got freagging carriers.

Carrier has arrived

[Spartas Husky]

incinerator950 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

coz we got freagging carriers.

Carrier has arrived

hehehe all we need is some heavily fortified cruisers to mask the carriers, and offs goes the bombs.

[incinerator950]

Spartas Husky wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

coz we got freagging carriers.

Carrier has arrived

hehehe all we need is some heavily fortified cruisers to mask the carriers, and offs goes the bombs.

Until the Scourge come

[Foolsfolly]

Gweedotk wrote...

I'm gonna admit, I'm a little put off by the bias toward humans.

I may have just joined the forum, but I fell in love with this game back in 08. These are amazing games, the diversity of species introduced in the plot and the detail the team put into the storyline just put this game ahead of all the rest.

But the human dominance over the rest of these species... I know that I'm human and everybody else here is too, but come on... What made this series so great was it was different than the others, it's unique. Do you guys really want another "humanity is the greatest" story?

I hate to break it to you....but this is already a "humanity is the greatest" story. We're new, inexperienced, have less ships than the turians, live shorter lives than any other race other than salarains but lack their intelligence...yet we come up with the best tech, win the biggest battles, and are the only hope for the galaxy.

The rest of the universe was twirling their thumbs waiting for humanity to save the day. It's actually a touch soddy since this wasn't as apparent in ME1 but it's gone to the forefront in ME2 where humans are more genetically diverse than vorcha....the race that can adapt to any and all enviroments.

[lovgreno]

Gweedotk wrote...

I'm gonna admit, I'm a little put off by the bias toward humans.

I may have just joined the forum, but I fell in love with this game back in 08. These are amazing games, the diversity of species introduced in the plot and the detail the team put into the storyline just put this game ahead of all the rest.

But the human dominance over the rest of these species... I know that I'm human and everybody else here is too, but come on... What made this series so great was it was different than the others, it's unique. Do you guys really want another "humanity is the greatest" story?

Yeah that is a bit boring. All that "us humans have to be best at everything and rule" feels kind of old. A strong alliance with the council races feels more efficent and modern.
Humanitys carriers can kick turian dreadnoughts! My "ship" is bigger than yours! Yeah perhaps but wouldn't it be better to give human carriers turian dreadnoughts as backup instead? Especialy with the reapers coming and all.

[lovgreno]

Foolsfolly wrote...
I hate to break it to you....but this is already a "humanity is the greatest" story.

Yeah perhaps you are right. Perhaps this isn't my kind of story after all but you can't make all consumers happy.

[Gweedotk]

lovgreno wrote...



Yeah that is a bit boring. All that "us humans have to be best at everything and rule" feels kind of old. A strong alliance with the council races feels more efficent and modern.

Humanitys carriers can kick turian dreadnoughts! My "ship" is bigger than yours! Yeah perhaps but wouldn't it be better to give human carriers turian dreadnoughts as backup instead? Especialy with the reapers coming and all.

I tried to give the books a chance, started reading the first one. Got to the part where the ambassador managed to intimidate the council before I stopped reading and put the book down.



I've done everything I could in my games to make it a bit more realistic and interesting, saving the council, possibly curing the genophage, destroying the reaper base, saving the Rachni... I'd think that put the Rachni and Krogan in the dominant position and the leaders against the reapers while the Salarians, Asari, Turians, and Humans provide support and specialist roles. Or at least I hope.

[Christmas Ape]

Because our high levels of genetic divergence, as compared to other discovered species, lets us cover a broader range of options. We can put out career soldiers the match for any turian, and economists who keep pace with volus.



Where asari culture values co-operation and turian culture is about supporting the group, human culture could be perhaps best summarized as "success-based". How you did it isn't always as important as that you did it very well. Medi-gel is a great example: it's technically illegal but completely indispensable. What turian scientist would bring that kind of potential censure against his company? While this is something we tend to share with the salarians, living almost three times as long also permits us to step back a little.



In a related note, our intra-species competitive drive is still 'sharp' - our homeworld isn't even united by a single government. We see the other guy doing something and think "Well, hell, I can do that and better!" and we go for it because sitting around saying that isn't success.



As the newest kids on the block (with in-game representatives), and combined with the above, we're unconventional. Carriers, medi-gel, the drown-them-in-projectiles broadside of a Kilimanjaro-class dreadnought; we don't have centuries of successful space battles to point to and say "this works just fine" - and that wouldn't satisfy all of us anyway.



Citadel space was, in a word, unprepared for the Protheans accidentally(?) uplifting us.

[Gweedotk]

Its justified in-game, I'm just somewhat dissappointed. I have a subtle feeling EA has something to do with it, and it may be just me, but I'm kind of tired of the "here comes humanity" theme. This game offered something new, it made humans seem less like the "superiors" and more like another species serving their role in the galaxy, their "niche". One of many species performing a specialised role in a whole galactic community.

To me that seemed almost exciting to be honest. Too idealistic for my own good it looks like.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 30 mai 2010 - 09:19 .

[Vicious]

I have a subtle feeling EA has something to do with it

EA IS ACTUALLY CERBERUS.

EA's pro-human agenda is really sickening.

END OF THREAD

Modifié par Vicious, 30 mai 2010 - 09:21 .

[Gweedotk]

Damnit, EA always ruins good story's. I hope BioWare pulls through and makes this story as unique and great as I'm sure they intended it to be, after all its always those few that shy away from the mainstream that become the biggest successes. And pro-human has always been the mainstream.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 30 mai 2010 - 09:28 .

[Foolsfolly]

In principal turian soldiers should be worth 5 human soldiers. They're the very principle of a disciplined, well educated, fully fighting unit. They've even got metal skin!



The asari have their famous commandos and the salarians have their cyber warfare, techs, and general millions of geniuses to create new advancements in everything.



But in 20 years humanity's trumped these races in everything that they've failed to do in 2000 years of ruling.



It's absurd. But that's the story...it's a "Humans are Special" story. I love the games and I love the story but humans have proven to be the end all be all of existence. Which is ashame since one of the coolest things for me during ME1 was that humans weren't the best and we were kinda looked down upon.



In ME3 Paragon or Renegade, humanity will save the day. No other race could come close.

[Christmas Ape]

They've even got metal skin!

Which is specifically mentioned as being ineffective as armor in the Codex entry.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

Invalid. Other species around for much longer. Human dominance unlikely, no matter the heroics. Bioware = xenophobic.

 I just totally imagined what you said in a salarian's voice.

I agree... not one particular species completely dominate a galaxy... (other than the reapers in this case)

Humans becoming a major player in galactic governments on the other hand doesn't seem impossible (intuition, ingenuity, etc).