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[implodinggoat]

I'll just say this. The Illusive Man was wise to avoid a face to face meeting with my Shepard. If he had he'd be answering a lot of questions about what "Kahoku" means and why someone carved it into his forehead with a combat knife.

[muse108]

neither, characters do not have to be good or bad, there is ALWAYS GREY!

[korraz]

Another word on the Genophage: If you look close at it, it does NOT kill the entire race. As Mordin puts it, it was designed to stabilized the numbers. They took in account, that Krogans bash mostly the heads of other Krogans, so the birthrate is high enough to ensure that the species exists. The Krogans are just extremly pissed, and thats their right! But if they would be dying, their race would already be wiped out. Look at how many Krogans become mercenaries, if there wouldn't be constant regrowth, it would already be over. In fact, the Salarians took extreme afford in stabilizing the birthrates! As Mordin states, simply sterilizing the entire race would have been way easier.

[Moblowdown]

I would say bad guy with good intentions. His approach at those intentions are ruthless which makes him a bad guy.

[Vilanova]

simple and clean...

he's not good but not bad either and has racist issues.

Translation: He is an ****

(especially when pulling the, "i created you" pun)

[JonyKJ]

I decided to give TIM the base but not because he is evil or good I don't really care about the Paragon\\\\Renegade side of the game, I mostly do what makes sense to do in any given situation, saving the council was an illogical military response so I didn't even if it gave me Renegade points. That said I gave the base to TIM, why? Because he brought me back to life, I don't know about you but I would be very thankful even if it was only to fulfill his objectives and in second because he apparently is the only one capable enough to handle the reapers, we can only speculate on the council maybe they are actually doing something but cerberus seem to be the only ones taking action.

Modifié par JonyKJ, 08 février 2010 - 04:05 .

[Valmy]

My character does not agree with either The Illusive Man's goals nor his methods however he certainly is a principled guy.



However he was just nuts wanting anything to do with that base after what happened to his team in the derelict reaper. Reaper tech is incredibly dangerous to organic minds. He would have us opening the door to let the Reapers in, not stopping them.

[Valmy]

I am a little annoyed with him destroying my unit on Akuze with his Thresher Maw experiments and his murder of Admiral Kahoku though.

[Thompson family]

The Illusive man is a suave, elegant ****. Agree with the carving in the forehead comment. Telling Joker to cut the connection was a game highlight for me.

[implodinggoat]

I seriously don't get all these assertions that he has "good intentions". He wants to survive; but that's hardly a good intention. Aside from that every move he takes is dedicated entirely to maximizing his own power.



Focusing entirely upon external threats ignores the very real possibility of a human tyranny. That's why I kept the council alive in ME1 and that's why I blew the Collector base to hell in ME2.

[Caz Neerg]

implodinggoat wrote...

I seriously don't get all these assertions that he has "good intentions". He wants to survive; but that's hardly a good intention. Aside from that every move he takes is dedicated entirely to maximizing his own power.

Focusing entirely upon external threats ignores the very real possibility of a human tyranny. That's why I kept the council alive in ME1 and that's why I blew the Collector base to hell in ME2.

Because being treated like second class citizens by an alien council is so much better than human tyranny when you're, you know, human...

[toezz]

Caz Neerg wrote...

implodinggoat wrote...

I seriously don't get all these assertions that he has "good intentions". He wants to survive; but that's hardly a good intention. Aside from that every move he takes is dedicated entirely to maximizing his own power.

Focusing entirely upon external threats ignores the very real possibility of a human tyranny. That's why I kept the council alive in ME1 and that's why I blew the Collector base to hell in ME2.

Because being treated like second class citizens by an alien council is so much better than human tyranny when you're, you know, human...

this =D

[SCWhiteclaw]

i couldn't prevent myself from thinking about the possibillity that TIM could push the "I win" button between a smoke and a bit of  green ale if my shepard  doesnt behave like intended,...

after that he will surely call his secretary because there are problems under his desk she should pay attention to

Modifié par SCWhiteclaw, 16 février 2010 - 05:57 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

Not enough information. "He" is up to something far beyond what we know at the end of ME2. I put quotations around "He" because I'm quite convinced that whatever he is, "He" is not truly human. The name "Illusive Man" implies that everything we know of "Him" isn't real.

[General_Dee]

I gave him the Reaper technology. I just had to do it, I love TIM. He's the sugar daddy for the whole effort against the Reapers, the only guy with the balls big enough to do what it takes to save the galaxy - sure it may cost thousands, tens of thousands of lives even, but in the end, the extinction of biological life is prevented ALL ACROSS THE GALAXY. That's trillions upon trillions upon trillions of lives saved. Yes, I'm sorry friends but in this case, the end totally justifiies the means. Take off your paragon hat and look at the bigger picture.

Plus, do you really think he can kill Shepard? He knows what he is capable of, Shepard would eventually run up into his office and rip his spine out from behind - unless he installed a mico-explosive in Shepard's brain during reconstruction, and the detonator is kept close by.

I can't wait to see what kind of upgrades/benefits I'm going to get in ME3. In fact, I'll copy my current profile just before the Suicide Mission just in case I get screwed over - I won't need to replay the entire game, just the ending.

Modifié par General_Dee, 14 juillet 2010 - 09:36 .

[lovgreno]

Ask him and he says he is a good guy (and the saviour and future ruler of the galaxy). Ask almost everyone else and they say he is a bad guy. Ask me and I say he is just incompetent.

[jklinders]

This is an impressive feat of necromancy here.

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I would consider him more a neutral character. If you're like me and don't take ME1 combat side-missions as canon because they suck, I see no problem with the guy. He can be a little obsessive about humanity at times but he's right, we shouldn't be so quick to judge him. The guy's mysterious as hell, we shouldn't be ridiculously idealistic about this.
I don't get the hate though, if a man has glowing eyes, a cigar and a good voice actor; it makes them instantly awsome.

I've never taken a mainly paragon path so I wouldn't know about him "being a dick." I don't get the morality system at all with him. Paragon usually means you're good to people but for some reason it means you're bad to him

And he can't be that bad, he actually realises the Reaper threat.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 15 juillet 2010 - 12:07 .

[maegi46]

He's not good or bad, he's a pragmatist and the only one smart enough to see the real threat, ie the big picture. He uses you to get what needs to be done. Simple as that. Without TIM and without Shepard, there would be no humanity or any other race left to care. So like him or not, he is our salvation.

Not keeping the base means you wasted your entire ME2 playthrough for basically nothing. GG

Modifié par maegi46, 15 juillet 2010 - 12:09 .

[remote_control_me]

eh, i wouldnt say he is BAD, he is more of a good man...in a bad place.  He is just a normal person. if you gave 10 people unlimited power and wealth...chances are 6 of them would take advantage and do something morally wrong.

TIM falls into this 60% and doesnt even realiize it

[Kaiser Shepard]

remote_control_me wrote...

eh, i wouldnt say he is BAD, he is more of a good man...in a bad place.  He is just a normal person. if you gave 10 people unlimited power and wealth...chances are 6 of them would take advantage and do something morally wrong.

TIM falls into this 60% and doesnt even realiize it

Wrong, he is the only one who does but doesn't give a damn.

[Heimdall]

I'm still convinced he's palpatine in disguise out to create the first galactic empire

[maegi46]

TIM is a good guy who got fed up with listening to the council tell him that they "dismissed that claim", that is why Cerberus went rogue in the first place. All throughout ME1 we saw several instances of where TIM (Cerberus) were using the reaper technology to learn more about the Reapers, and ways to combat them. He probably approached the council with this information ( when Cerberus was part of the Alliance) and was told to F*ck off. So now he is viewed as a the bad guy, but he gets things done. Yes, sometimes at the expense of people. No one on the council or in the Alliance is taking the threat seriously. The Reapers are not just out to annihilate humanity, they are out to annihilate everyone. Someone has to take a stand.

[maegi46]

This is also why I have felt the need to replay through ME1 more time and when I choose to let the council die(again) I will get Joker to patch me through to the Destiny Ascension just so I can say, "Bigoted Turian, Self centered Asari, and Salarian without balls that could have been on our side? You 3 that form the Council? We have dismissed that claim"