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[LoganMalone]

Well, what class of creature was Sovereign after he transferred his form from the Reaper vessel into Saren Arterius? Was he a type of energy, spirit, living dark matter, etc? I'm still scratching my head on this one since he seems to be able to transfer into any form he wishes...perhaps into human form in ME3.

[jimmyjoefro]

I just assumed that the humanoid form is the most likely form a species can have. You can still have off-beat successes like the Hanar (although, didn't the Protheans pretty much make them successful?) and Elcor, or your insectoids like the Rachni and Keepers.



The Proteans didn't look anything like the Collectors.

[BattleVisor]

Okay someone tell me how to post pictures please!

[T1l]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

The Proteans didn't look anything like the Collectors.

What of the Prothean vision on Joab?

I think I'm bowing out of this thread. It was good for the first two pages, and now we're just going in circles.

[WoodWizzard87]

BattleVisor wrote...

T1l wrote...

There have been recent mitochondrial DNA studies that have proven Neanderthals were not a subspecies of ****** sapiens. Humans and Neanderthals share no recent genetic exchange.

Wow 'prove' you say, in the scientific community, that word doesnt even exist.

Mitochrondial DNA studies wouldnt prove anything, because we all share a common ancestoral mother, that was dated after the neandrathals, so any mitochondrial studies wouldnt proven anything, because it cannot go further back than the common modern human ancestor.

****** Sapiens are the latest human, if anything it should be ****** Sapiens are a "sub-species" of Neanderthals, but if youve taken any anthropology classes, Neanderthals were the last of their kind and died out to not adapting.  This gave rise to the upbringing of the ****** Erectus from other ancestors and eventually ****** Sapiens.  This trend line from the ancestors which were originally quadripeds, turned into "bipeds" to help forage for food easier on trees, search the trees, and watch for predators.

Sapiens and Neaderthals have been proven to not even have the same common ancestors, Neaderthals were more related to Australopithecus Giganticus.  I realize that these are boards to speak freely, but try and research a little bit before bringing the big words.

[WoodWizzard87]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I just assumed that the humanoid form is the most likely form a species can have. You can still have off-beat successes like the Hanar (although, didn't the Protheans pretty much make them successful?) and Elcor, or your insectoids like the Rachni and Keepers.

The Proteans didn't look anything like the Collectors.

My theory is that the collectors and protheans are modeled directly after Harbinger.  Because the collector head and body look very similar to Harbingers head and the four eyes on top of it as you can see from final shots of the game.

[T1l]

WoodWizzard87 wrote...

My theory is that the collectors and protheans are modeled directly after Harbinger.  Because the collector head and body look very similar to Harbingers head and the four eyes on top of it as you can see from final shots of the game.

Harbinger is a Reaper who assumes control of Collector bodies, just like Sovereign did with Saren at the end of ME1.

Its actual physical body resembles the Squid-like Reapers.

EDIT: In this video @ 4:45 - 4:49 you can clearly see that Harbinger is a Reaper. Big space-squid.

Modifié par T1l, 07 février 2010 - 01:29 .

[WoodWizzard87]

T1l wrote...

WoodWizzard87 wrote...

My theory is that the collectors and protheans are modeled directly after Harbinger.  Because the collector head and body look very similar to Harbingers head and the four eyes on top of it as you can see from final shots of the game.

Harbinger is a Reaper who assumes control of Collector bodies, just like Sovereign did with Saren at the end of ME1.

Its actual physical body resembles the Squid-like Reapers.

EDIT: In this video @ 4:45 - 4:49 you can clearly see that Harbinger is a Reaper. Big space-squid.

I know that Harbinger is the reaper controlling the collectors.  Yes..., Sovreign controlled Saren after what?  He implanted Saren with mechanical upgrades so he could actually control him.  Im guessing the same thing happened to the collectors.  Harbinger upgraded them over time according to them being able to synchronize with him and allow control of the general and all the later clone generations.  Thats why im thinking they look more like Harbinger than anything now.  he created the collectors is the image of himself, for them to do his bidding. 

[T1l]

Collectors are insectoid. Harbinger looks like a cuttlefish. Forgive me if I'm not seeing a resemblance.

You’re spot-on about indoctrination process, though. Mind control > Implants > Domination. That's a given.

[BattleVisor]

Also I dont agree with the people who are saying the collectors look like the protheans at all.

EDI
said herself they were changed so extensively, that they were no longer
classified as protheans, look at the scions and the pretorians. Do they
look like humans to you???.

The protheans most likely resembled the statues you see on Ilos.


I  believe the reapers changed the protheans to look more like them. Isnt
it funny how all of them look like the early animal life of the
paleazoic era, being shellfish, arthopods and crustaceans

Modifié par BattleVisor, 07 février 2010 - 01:42 .

[Scharfschutzen]

Digits (for manipulating objects) two or more eyes (for stereoscopic vision) and a brain seem to be quite important evolution wise to me.

[WoodWizzard87]

T1l wrote...

Collectors are insectoid. Harbinger looks like a cuttlefish. Forgive me if I'm not seeing a resemblance.

You’re spot-on about indoctrination process, though. Mind control > Implants > Domination. That's a given.

Actually Sovreign was designed from a cuttlefish/ small squid.  Harbinger (http://images1.wikia...eaper_fleet.png)  Looks like a cross between a .......

Horseshoe crab
http://images1.wikia...eaper_fleet.png

and a leaf hopper with the head in front and large protruding back.

http://www.organicga...-treehopper.jpg

[WarmachineX0]

Doest matter. The final image in sherpard's vision, looks just like posted, yet when he focuses on the dieing figure, it turns into a collector.



It makes perfect sence for bioware to mask it with the huminoid statues on Illos, why spoil the twist in ME2. Between EDI and Mordin, these extensive modifications would be the removal of uneeded organs and such.



It seems simple to me, Shepard's vision had the blured figure of a Prothean replaced with a clear figure of a Collector. We can "if" it all we want, it quite possible that the data made no sence initially to Shep's human brain, so it gave the protheans human properties, but whats led to ingame, is that they are the same, even look the same, they have just been modified to work like drones..

[Brand New]

I always apply this to real world astronomy. We say oh there is not many worlds with intelligent life. Who says the only worlds with advanced beings and sapients is the same as our atmosphere.



It almost like we pretend other types organisms breathing in not oxygen wouldn't exists. Who is to say there isn't a species just like us who breaths carbon or methane etc.

[BattleVisor]

A definite point would be this! If Shepard has had visions of the protheans before, how come he didnt recognise the collectors as being protheans, because they definitely don't look the same.



What I believe happened in the visions, was the process of the protheans being harvested, and some becoming collectors.

[Brand New]

I'm very confused though about the protheans appearance. In the vision of the first game we see in ME2 with the add on of the collectors in the end why is the prothean looking just like the collects now.

[OfTheFaintSmile]

Vorscythe wrote...

Anyone else notice that most of the other species (Krogan, Asari, Turian, Quarian(I think)) all breathe oxygen? While it might not be a valid argument, that shows each species had a vaguely similar environment as us, so they evolved along the same lines.

The Volus subsist in ammonia rich environments I believe

[DariusKalera]

****** Sapiens are the latest human, if anything it should be ****** Sapiens are a "sub-species" of Neanderthals, but if youve taken any anthropology classes, Neanderthals were the last of their kind and died out to not adapting.  This gave rise to the upbringing of the ****** Erectus from other ancestors and eventually ****** Sapiens.  This trend line from the ancestors which were originally quadripeds, turned into "bipeds" to help forage for food easier on trees, search the trees, and watch for predators.

Sapiens and Neaderthals have been proven to not even have the same common ancestors, Neaderthals were more related to Australopithecus Giganticus.  I realize that these are boards to speak freely, but try and research a little bit before bringing the big words.

You might want to go back to those anthro classes.

1:  No one is really sure why neanderthals died out.  Lack of adaptation is only one possiblity, others range from competition for resources from Cro-Magnon, to interbreeding, and warfare.  In all likelihood, its probably a combination of each.

2:  Neanderthals existed at the same time as Cro-Magnon.  They did not die out till around 25,000-30,000 years ago, depending on if the remains found in Spain really are those of Neanderthals.  H.erectus died out about 300 thousand years ago.  Neanderthals did not die out and give rise to H. erectus.

3:  The accpted term for Neanderthals is either ****** sapien neanderthalis, or ****** neanderthalis.  This makes neanderthals a sub-species of the ****** genus.  This means the modern humans and neanderthals did, indeed, have a common ancestor.

4:  Autralopithicus Gigantus is not accepted by the scientific community as an australopithecine sub-species. 

[WarmachineX0]

BattleVisor wrote...

A definite point would be this! If Shepard has had visions of the protheans before, how come he didnt recognise the collectors as being protheans, because they definitely don't look the same.

What I believe happened in the visions, was the process of the protheans being harvested, and some becoming collectors.

There is a thrid becon in ME2, He attempt to fucus on one of the protheans, and it focuses into a collector. The VI on Illos makes no mention of collectors, only infultrators, those that have been indotrinated and used to find and infultate hidden Prothean camps, Collectors would seem like an importaint peice of info to out into a becon, but not a warning VI that the becons lead to? 

[TheDFO]

Mass Effect Wiki...

The beacon flashback and statues on Ilos show that the Protheans were humanoid in appearance, but with extremely long tentacle-like fingers, toes and 'beards'.
The architecture on Feros and Ilos shows they were able to build and
maintain enormous cities and arcologies. However, given the fact that
the Protheans were victims of the Reapers' trap, using their technology
without knowing they would eventually be harvested as a result, a lot
of Prothean architecture seems to have  been influenced by structures
like the Citadel, blurring the line between what the Protheans built
and what they found.

It has been speculated that the Protheans
may have had some influence on Earth throughout human history,
particularly ancient Egypt. Evidence to support this includes the
pyramid containment units found scattered on many planets that bear an
unmistakable likeness to the ones found in Giza, despite the fact that
the Protheans were destroyed tens of thousands of years before these
structures were built.

I don't like this quote because of one thing. It says the Protheans affected ancient egypt. Ancient Egypt was, at most, 12,000 years ago. Protheans were 50,000. There's a bit of a difference there.

I do agree with it about the Prothean's description though.

Feops1 wrote...

It's possible that, as the Mass Effect universe goes, that the most efficient route for a species to dominate is to have many human-like (or turian-like ,asari-like, etc) traits. Most of the races that LACK these common traits seem to be at a disadvantage in the galactic community, if only for not being as well adapted to work with the majority.

One exception is the Rachni, who seemed to develop a very different set of senses, mobility, social structure, etc., and thrive. Granted they were wiped out (or almost wiped out) by recent events but that somewhat beside the point.

Just wanna state something about the whole "bipedal" bit. Most species with the expertise to build space ships will need to be able to manipulate delicate equipment. This requires delicate/fine control hands. Making hands that can be safely walked on doesn't work anyway near as well. In all likelyhood, technologically inclined land animals would probably have some way of not walking on their hands, although I doubt being bipedal is the only solution (centaurs anyone?).

That said, what really boogles the mind is that all the known females have human like breasts. Given modern day antropologists don't even know why human's have human like breasts (I'm also pretty sure were the only earth species with actual breasts, not just nipples, not including cows), why would the quarians and the female only asari have them? Unless quarians are actually diveregent cro-magnan humans taken by the protheans and hidden, and the asari and just tricking us into thinking they look hot...

[VeteranChild]

I dissagree, species evolve acording to their enviorment.

lets ignore the fact that they are space farring and think of them on their original home worlds.

Alot of thier worlds are similar to earths (In a sense that there is foliage.) This would cause them grow limbs that help them climb. As they evolved they would ultimatley learn to walk up right like humans over time. Most obvious in quarians, Asari and Salarians, Then you have turians and krogans, they body structure shows they once prowled on all fours like certain predators. Needless to say they must of learned other uses for thir hands that caused evolution to bring them up right.

Most other species body structure is rlevant to their home world, like the hanar. Their planet is mostly water. the only species that dosnt make sense to me is the volus. Giving the description of thir planet I have no idea why they evolved that way. So it makes perfect sense for other species to have body forms like us, it is simply the most convienet body form for advanced species

[TheDFO]

VeteranChild wrote...

I dissagree, species evolve acording to their enviorment.
lets ignore the fact that they are space farring and think of them on their original home worlds.
Alot of thier worlds are similar to earths (In a sense that there is foliage.) This would cause them grow limbs that help them climb. As they evolved they would ultimatley learn to walk up right like humans over time. Most obvious in quarians, Asari and Salarians, Then you have turians and krogans, they body structure shows they once prowled on all fours like certain predators. Needless to say they must of learned other uses for thir hands that caused evolution to bring them up right.
Most other species body structure is rlevant to their home world, like the hanar. Their planet is mostly water. the only species that dosnt make sense to me is the volus. Giving the description of thir planet I have no idea why they evolved that way. So it makes perfect sense for other species to have body forms like us, it is simply the most convienet body form for advanced species

It doesn't make sense that a cold, high pressured, ammonia based planet would produce short stocky aliens?

It's cold, so they want to minimize heat loss (short and stocky). It's really high pressure, so their suits tend to balloon up in our low pressure environments.

I think it makes pretty good sense.

[MetallicaAssassin]

Humans are younger than the other species you know. They had legs and arms before we did

EDIT: Not sure if this has been stated...I'd rather not read through the entire thread just to see if it has been.

Modifié par MetallicaAssassin, 07 février 2010 - 05:41 .