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[Khavos]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Khavos wrote...

I'm being serious when I beg you to never even think about getting a job within law enforcement or the military. 

If I manage to get my hands on a space age armor system that allows me to take a rocket to the gut without having any damage to my person, I think I'd be quite the asset.

Modern ballistic vests are awfully good at stopping handgun rounds.  Should we start requiring police to wait until the armed suspect they're trying to subdue has actually shot at them before allowing them to shoot back?

If you're pointing a gun at someone and they start drawing their own, you shoot them.  Plain and simple. 

[Dave of Canada]

Dickish movie I can thick off the top of my head is let Tali cry.

[stillnotking]

Wow... I can't believe the level of rationalization going on with people who let Elnora go. You already know she's a vicious killer (please don't make me laugh with all this "maybe it wasn't the 'real' uniform" crap -- do you think the Eclipse kept her around as a mascot or something?). She gives you a mealy-mouthed and totally implausible excuse about only pretending to pull the trigger during her initiation, and she's reaching for a weapon! This was the clearest example in the game of BioWare offering you the choice to be a gullible idiot... which you later find out you were, if you let her live. I'm sure all her future victims are SO glad you decided to give her an utterly stupid benefit of the doubt.

[tmp7704]

KorPhaeron11 wrote...

Again so what? You know that all the eclipse sisters have to kill someone to get their armor, so she no inocent flower, but thats beside the point, if someone (anyone) points a gun at me, im gona kill them, if cant kill them, hurt them.

Shepard puts it best themselves -- if you pick Renegade option when you meet Tali for the first time it goes something like, "Tali'Zorah you have served on my ship, you know i don't take people who aim guns in my face lightly"

[Juxtest]

Khavos wrote...

Of course she got shot.  I'm kind of amazed that anyone would NOT shoot her.  What kind of thought process does that require?

I believe it went something like this
"This is a cutscene, so she probably has something important to say." But then she didn't and I felt silly.

[Beefmachine]

Right you can't think about it with hindsight think about it IN the moment honestly what would you really do... Would you wait to see if someone would really shoot you or not? or just eliminate all risks and shoot the b**ch. In that case being paragon is really being Naive and stupid. Based off the fact that before you enter that area you realize they all have to kill to be members so everyone in there IS A KILLER... I don't see a logical reason to NOT shoot her.. it would be be plain stupid.

[Khavos]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Dickish movie I can thick off the top of my head is let Tali cry.

I don't see that one as all that dickish, either.  Tali dragged you out to the middle of the Migrant Fleet and decided to risk your life on a wholly tangential misadventure.  My Shep'll put up with that crap, 'cause somebody needs to stare at the engines or whatever, but he's not gonna drop his guard in a ship full of geth to hug a quarian.  

Samara smoked her own daughter and was like, "Alright, let's go." 

[Khavos]

Juxtest wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Of course she got shot.  I'm kind of amazed that anyone would NOT shoot her.  What kind of thought process does that require?

I believe it went something like this
"This is a cutscene, so she probably has something important to say." But then she didn't and I felt silly.

I can dig the "I want to see where this goes" metagame aspect.  It's the people going, "No, I'd totally let someone pull a gun on me when I had one pointed at their head," that make me confused.  

[Dave of Canada]

Khavos wrote...

Juxtest wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Of course she got shot.  I'm kind of amazed that anyone would NOT shoot her.  What kind of thought process does that require?

I believe it went something like this
"This is a cutscene, so she probably has something important to say." But then she didn't and I felt silly.

I can dig the "I want to see where this goes" metagame aspect.  It's the people going, "No, I'd totally let someone pull a gun on me when I had one pointed at their head," that make me confused.  

To be fair, most interrupts show up when you have no idea what is going on; nor what the interrupt will make you do.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

fogofeternity wrote...
Pushing the merc off the building when recruiting Thane. Shepard gains no benefit from doing so, it's murder for the sake of murder.

I don't have much of a problem with that as he was withholding information and in doing so forfeited his right to live. The most pointless renegade move I can think of is killing Elnora in the mission to recruit Samara. In reality she committed the murder, but from what you know at the time she's just a rookie that doesn't know anything and is surrendering.

Before they can even wear the suit, they have to murder someone. So she's already a murderer. I shouldn't have fallen for it.

[Schneidend]

Dave of Canada wrote...

To be fair, most interrupts show up when you have no idea what is going on; nor what the interrupt will make you do.

I'm inclined to disagree. They are pretty much all given plenty of context, enough that you understand the gist of what is about to happen. A korgan is back-sassing you, and you saw Wrex headbutt him earlier to shut him up, so you try the same thing. I didn't expect that exact action, but I figured I'd be asserting my dominance in some manner.

[Adon 9]

I find this thread interesting because it shows the renegade mindset in action. Things that seem patently cruel to some appear to be completely justified to renegades, who tend to be more focused on results and don't worry too much about stepping on toes or trying to be kind. What is simple compassion to a Paragon (such as comforting Tali on finding her father) seems a pointless waste of time to the Renegade (who view this as not the time or the place to stop for a hug).



Not bashing either side, I hope... but it does kind of underline how a renegade can view these harsh actions as not just acceptable, but right and proper.

[Dave of Canada]

Schneidend wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

To be fair, most interrupts show up when you have no idea what is going on; nor what the interrupt will make you do.

I'm inclined to disagree. They are pretty much all given plenty of context, enough that you understand the gist of what is about to happen. A korgan is back-sassing you, and you saw Wrex headbutt him earlier to shut him up, so you try the same thing. I didn't expect that exact action, but I figured I'd be asserting my dominance in some manner.

Well, I was on my Paragon and most of the interrupts suprised me.

The one with the Volus, C-Sec officer and Quarian for example surpised me. As did the one on Zaeed's mission.

[Gill Kaiser]

I'd be happy with shooting Elnora if Shepard just shot her first, THEN made a quip. But the quip-then-shoot thing rubs me the wrong way. Instead of it being self-defence, it becomes Shepard not even caring if she's telling the truth or not, and just shooting her because she's a merc.

Of course, as I've previously said, I had forgotten about the armour thing at the time. To be fair, the interrupt only appears for a very short time, as well.

[stillnotking]

Adon 9 wrote...

I find this thread interesting because it shows the renegade mindset in action. Things that seem patently cruel to some appear to be completely justified to renegades, who tend to be more focused on results and don't worry too much about stepping on toes or trying to be kind. What is simple compassion to a Paragon (such as comforting Tali on finding her father) seems a pointless waste of time to the Renegade (who view this as not the time or the place to stop for a hug).

Not bashing either side, I hope... but it does kind of underline how a renegade can view these harsh actions as not just acceptable, but right and proper.

I generally sympathize more with the Paragon choices -- I mean, if you can't stop to give Tali a hug when she finds her father dead, then why are you on her loyalty mission in the first place? -- but there are some moments where the Paragon option is, as someone put it, Lawful Stupid.

It's a testament to the immersiveness of ME2 that there are some choices I really have to force myself to make.  Like siding with Morinth against Samara... that's just... wow.    I only did it to unlock Dominate and I felt like taking a shower afterward.

[Khavos]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I'd be happy with shooting Elnora if Shepard just shot her first, THEN made a quip. But the quip-then-shoot thing rubs me the wrong way. Instead of it being self-defence, it becomes Shepard not even caring if she's telling the truth or not, and just shooting her because she's a merc.
Of course, as I've previously said, I had forgotten about the armour thing at the time. To be fair, the interrupt only appears for a very short time, as well.

Renegade Shep is far too one-liney, it's true.  That's my biggest problem with the Renegade interrupts.  They're all fine from a rationality standpoint, but the decision to have him do a Schwarzenneger impression every time he does one was just stupid.

Push the merc out the window and shoot the gunslinger girl in the head, but don't make some ****** comment before/after/during. 

[Vafirish]

Yup.....my reason as well. Samara only bonus power is the Reaver so I killed her to find out what Morinth has, once I realize its dominate, I decided to stick with her...... but yeah.... made me feel guilty for killing Samara.

[tmp7704]

Adon 9 wrote...

What is simple compassion to a Paragon (such as comforting Tali on finding her father) seems a pointless waste of time to the Renegade (who view this as not the time or the place to stop for a hug).

I did pick the Paragon interrupt there even though yes, the place and circumstances weren't exactly right, but that's a perk of playing female Shepard -- she can pull it off and still remain perfectly in (dangerous) character. With male Shepard it'd feel too weird/forward.

[Gill Kaiser]

It's not weird or forward if you've had Tali in your party throughout ME1 and ME2. It's perfectly natural. She's been to hell and back with Shepard, and Shepard wants to comfort his friend.

[Dave of Canada]

Oh, I found another one.



Shooting Conrad Verner in the foot, it was fun and enjoyable but totally pointless.