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[condiments1]

I get that the protheans plan at the end was to use their previously constructed mass relay(the conduit) to get to the citadel and reprogram the keepers to not intiate the citadel relay. Now that whole conduit thing would have been just one gigantic irrevelant goose chase had it not been for....

Vigil.

Vigil told you everything you needed know. He was kind of the "access plotline here" device to clarify everything, and ultimately help you triumph. Now my problem with this is, if the protheans are so amazingly intelligent that they were able to replicate the reaper mass relay technology, AND reprogram the clever keepers from unleashing doomsday....how the hell did they think it was a good idea to leave the VI that can decipher languages from simple comm communications and can explain all this **** on a forgotten planet that is never visited? 

They had access to the citadel before they went extinct through the conduit. Why not on the "list of things do before we die forever" build a VI on the citadel for the next species like vigil? Or if it was too much work(which is unlikely, they didn't have enough to continue to the species, but they could have still made babies to prolong their prevention plans) they could have at least created something more effecient at communication then the beacons that says, "ITS A TRAP! GO TO ILLOS DUDES AND WE WILL EXPLAIN! KTHX!"

Also, I was had trouble connecting the dots with some of the planets you eventually visit. If soveirgns immediate plan was to invade the citadel, and take it over as quick as possible. Building a rachni and krogran army through simply means of reproduction would take a long time for an invasion force. It almost seems counterintuitive, and an unnecessary risk, when he already had a entire heretic geth army, one of the most powerful asari matriarch with asari commandos, and the most trusted spectre in the galaxy.

Can anyone clarify this for me?

Modifié par condiments1, 06 février 2010 - 10:25 .

[noobzor99]

He was making backup armies to help him wipe out civilization once the reaper fleet arrived. It's always easier to win with more people on your side.



Perhaps they lost the ability to make the beacons once the reapers finished their purge- otherwise how did those beacons show up in so many places? I doubt the few protheans on Ilos could plant those all over the galaxy.

[condiments1]

noobzor99 wrote...

He was making backup armies to help him wipe out civilization once the reaper fleet arrived. It's always easier to win with more people on your side.

Perhaps they lost the ability to make the beacons once the reapers finished their purge- otherwise how did those beacons show up in so many places? I doubt the few protheans on Ilos could plant those all over the galaxy.

I meant the protheans that had access to the citadel AFTER the reaper invasion. They were obviously able to construct Vigil just fine on Illos...why not just make another on the citadel to warn future races about the reapers and the mass relays/citadel?

[Zaxares]

I suspect the Prothean scientists had to keep things very low key, on the off-chance that there were still indoctrinated Protheans or even other Reapers still lurking around the galaxy somewhere. If they'd left a message on the Citadel itself, Sovereign might have noticed it and headed straight to Ilos and discovered what the Protheans had done 50,000 years early.



As far as Sovereign's plan to take over the Citadel was concerned, I suspect that his plans changed somewhere between the 3rd and 4th planets you visit. The timeline probably went something like this:



1. Sovereign watches the Asari and Salarian civilisations rise, and decides to activate the Citadel for the first time. It fails.

2. Sovereign tries to discover what went wrong. He eventually figures out that the Prothean scientists changed the Citadel signals so the Keepers are no longer responding to his signals, but he doesn't know HOW it was done.

3. Sovereign tries a few schemes (which aren't revealed until ME2 and are not mentioned here to avoid spoilers) to take over the Citadel. This takes him thousands of years. All fail.

4. Saren meets Sovereign, and allies himself with the Reaper. Together they try to unearth the Prothean plan for how they stopped the Citadel from working.

5. Saren hears about the beacon unearthed on Eden Prime and attacks the planet. He uses the beacon, but like Shepard's experience with it, Saren can't make any sense of it without the Cipher.

6. Saren and Sovereign spend some time trying to figure out a way to gain the Cipher. They eventually learn about the Thorian on Feros and go there. Saren gains the Cipher and then orders the Thorian killed.

7. With the Cipher, Saren learns about the Conduit. However, just like with Shepard, the message from the Eden Prime beacon is incomplete.

8. Saren searches for another beacon, and eventually finds one and brings it to Virmire. From this second beacon, he learns that the Conduit is on Ilos.

9. Realising that they need to find the Mu Relay to get to Ilos, Saren sends Benezia to Noveria to extract the information needed from the Rachni Queen's mind.

10. Saren travels to Ilos, and spends some time researching the Conduit. They realise it's a backdoor onto the Citadel, and Sovereign changes his plan.

11. Saren brings an assault force of Geth with him through the Conduit, attacking the Citadel and preventing the operators from closing the arms. At the same time, Sovereign and his Geth navy attack the Citadel.

12. You know how things went from there.

[noobzor99]

condiments1 wrote...
I meant the protheans that had access to the citadel AFTER the reaper invasion. They were obviously able to construct Vigil just fine on Illos...why not just make another on the citadel to warn future races about the reapers and the mass relays/citadel?

I thought vigil (and the installation on Ilos) was made before the reapers showed up?

[Lukertin]

Vigil states that he was only able to rescue a few Prothean scientists, otherwise they all would have time. Presumably the Reapers were still out in the galaxy reaping whatever Prothean colonies were left, or whatever. In any case they had no way to survive (no food, no way off the Citadel).



Think about what would have happened if they left a VI on the Citadel for the next race to bump into...I don't think that race would respond very rationally. They'd probably try to destroy the Citadel, and kill anyone who tried to access it, or stop using mass effect technology...in any event it would probably stall the development of a galactic civilization into a force that might have a chance of beating the Reapers.

[condiments1]

Lukertin wrote...

Vigil states that he was only able to rescue a few Prothean scientists, otherwise they all would have time. Presumably the Reapers were still out in the galaxy reaping whatever Prothean colonies were left, or whatever. In any case they had no way to survive (no food, no way off the Citadel).

Think about what would have happened if they left a VI on the Citadel for the next race to bump into...I don't think that race would respond very rationally. They'd probably try to destroy the Citadel, and kill anyone who tried to access it, or stop using mass effect technology...in any event it would probably stall the development of a galactic civilization into a force that might have a chance of beating the Reapers.

They obviously had enough food to sustain them long enough research and reprogram the keepers. Also it is the Reapers 'PLAN' for races to settle on the citadel, so they can control the rate of their advancement. Subverting the plan, and KNOWING about them would drastically hinder the reapers enough to stop them. Even in Mass Effect 2 the majority of people still deny their existence.

I suspect the Prothean scientists had to keep things very low key, on
the off-chance that there were still indoctrinated Protheans or even
other Reapers still lurking around the galaxy somewhere. If they'd left
a message on the Citadel itself, Sovereign might have noticed it and
headed straight to Ilos and discovered what the Protheans had done
50,000 years early.

I could buy this. Though I doubt that constructing a VI would be any more risky than messing with keepers themselves.

Modifié par condiments1, 07 février 2010 - 01:04 .

[Moleculor]

I'm thinking that constructing a VI requires a special skill set that didn't exist amongst the physicists working on recreating mass relay technology. Kinda like how you wouldn't ask a scientist using a super-collider to program an encryption program for a PC.