When harbringer releases him you can't help but feel sorry for him knowing that he was once a Prothean, and now that he finally has free will he's going to die.
I feel sorry for the collector general
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Highdragonslayer
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#2
Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:48
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I know. He looked so sad when Harbinger released him and he looked back to see the explosion. I felt so sorry for him.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:52
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kinda like being in a coma for so many years only to wake up and get run over by a car the second you're awake
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:53
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Same. Definitely felt like a
"Oh thank God it's finally over! Wait... Is that thing going to expl-"
Moment.
"Oh thank God it's finally over! Wait... Is that thing going to expl-"
Moment.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:54
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What the hell is the hospital bed doing on the motorway is a more pressing issue however.johannes1212 wrote...
kinda like being in a coma for so many years only to wake up and get run over by a car the second you're awake
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:55
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JRCHOharry wrote...
What the hell is the hospital bed doing on the motorway is a more pressing issue however.johannes1212 wrote...
kinda like being in a coma for so many years only to wake up and get run over by a car the second you're awake
well it was controlled by Harbinger so you never know.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:56
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truth be told before Harbinger released him and the rest of the Collectors they probably had no idea what was going on. before the release they may not have had any thought patterns to speak of no self-awareness and then BOOM! all-of-a-sudden they are awake and looking at a fire ball.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:56
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:58
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Not only can it control our minds but it can control inanimate objects, FUUUUU-johannes1212 wrote...
JRCHOharry wrote...
What the hell is the hospital bed doing on the motorway is a more pressing issue however.johannes1212 wrote...
kinda like being in a coma for so many years only to wake up and get run over by a car the second you're awake
well it was controlled by Harbinger so you never know.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:58
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It depends. Was he one of the protheans that ended up becoming an agent of the reapers first (like Saren was) and who conciously betrayed his people before being fully indoctrinated and augmented - a tool - for the reapers? If so then good, justice was served at last.
If he was maybe something like what Shepard is, a great warrior who the reapers thought would make a good general for their army then yeah - I feel for the guy.
If he was maybe something like what Shepard is, a great warrior who the reapers thought would make a good general for their army then yeah - I feel for the guy.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 11:58
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Yeah, it's pretty poignant actually. Particularly given the earlier reveal that the Collectors are Protheans. You feel like the Collector General has free will for the first moment in his life, just before he dies.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:02
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I'm not sure, that...this thing...ever was a real Prothean, since they were so deeply twisted by the Reapers (still a stupid name, btw).
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:07
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aeetos21 wrote...
It depends. Was he one of the protheans that ended up becoming an agent of the reapers first (like Saren was) and who conciously betrayed his people before being fully indoctrinated and augmented - a tool - for the reapers? If so then good, justice was served at last.
If he was maybe something like what Shepard is, a great warrior who the reapers thought would make a good general for their army then yeah - I feel for the guy.
wow thats quite a frightnening/saddening thought, I'd pay to see one of the endings in ME3 being like that, a bad ending that is, where the galaxy loses the war and the human race becomes the new collectors and the greatest hero/leader of them all, Shepard in this case becomes the new collector general.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:10
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Well that's what I thought at least. Harbinger wanted Shepard's body to be preserved, what else were they going to use it for if not to augment him into an even more powerful warrior and indoctrinate him into a tool for their purposes?
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:23
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johannes1212 wrote...
aeetos21 wrote...
It depends. Was he one of the protheans that ended up becoming an agent of the reapers first (like Saren was) and who conciously betrayed his people before being fully indoctrinated and augmented - a tool - for the reapers? If so then good, justice was served at last.
If he was maybe something like what Shepard is, a great warrior who the reapers thought would make a good general for their army then yeah - I feel for the guy.
wow thats quite a frightnening/saddening thought, I'd pay to see one of the endings in ME3 being like that, a bad ending that is, where the galaxy loses the war and the human race becomes the new collectors and the greatest hero/leader of them all, Shepard in this case becomes the new collector general.
Every cycle had its councils, and its Shephards. Every organic species struggles against the inevitable. All fail. Saren... Saren was right. The reapers are all. They will never be defeated. Never.
Now that would be a downer ending. Very gutsy for Bioware, and it'd probably generate even more fan outrage than FO3's original ending... But it would be interesting even so.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:26
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Take your anger out on the Reapers in ME3
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 12:30
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Not impossible.Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
johannes1212 wrote...
aeetos21 wrote...
It depends. Was he one of the protheans that ended up becoming an agent of the reapers first (like Saren was) and who conciously betrayed his people before being fully indoctrinated and augmented - a tool - for the reapers? If so then good, justice was served at last.
If he was maybe something like what Shepard is, a great warrior who the reapers thought would make a good general for their army then yeah - I feel for the guy.
wow thats quite a frightnening/saddening thought, I'd pay to see one of the endings in ME3 being like that, a bad ending that is, where the galaxy loses the war and the human race becomes the new collectors and the greatest hero/leader of them all, Shepard in this case becomes the new collector general.
Every cycle had its councils, and its Shephards. Every organic species struggles against the inevitable. All fail. Saren... Saren was right. The reapers are all. They will never be defeated. Never.
Now that would be a downer ending. Very gutsy for Bioware, and it'd probably generate even more fan outrage than FO3's original ending... But it would be interesting even so.
Look how hard we have been struggling to defeat sole reapers. A whole fleet is coming now.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 01:09
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Free will? "No glands -- replaced by tech. No digestive system -- replaced by tech. No soul -- replaced by tech."
These are not the Protheans. They are cloned tools based on the Protheans. The General was most certainly not around 50,000 years ago. Why would they keep something alive that long when they can simply make replacements, ala the Keepers?
There was no reason to feel bad that any of them died. The general was free of direct Reaper control, but he was not free.
These are not the Protheans. They are cloned tools based on the Protheans. The General was most certainly not around 50,000 years ago. Why would they keep something alive that long when they can simply make replacements, ala the Keepers?
There was no reason to feel bad that any of them died. The general was free of direct Reaper control, but he was not free.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 01:12
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Cpl_Facehugger wrote...
johannes1212 wrote...
aeetos21 wrote...
It depends. Was he one of the protheans that ended up becoming an agent of the reapers first (like Saren was) and who conciously betrayed his people before being fully indoctrinated and augmented - a tool - for the reapers? If so then good, justice was served at last.
If he was maybe something like what Shepard is, a great warrior who the reapers thought would make a good general for their army then yeah - I feel for the guy.
wow thats quite a frightnening/saddening thought, I'd pay to see one of the endings in ME3 being like that, a bad ending that is, where the galaxy loses the war and the human race becomes the new collectors and the greatest hero/leader of them all, Shepard in this case becomes the new collector general.
Every cycle had its councils, and its Shephards. Every organic species struggles against the inevitable. All fail. Saren... Saren was right. The reapers are all. They will never be defeated. Never.
Now that would be a downer ending. Very gutsy for Bioware, and it'd probably generate even more fan outrage than FO3's original ending... But it would be interesting even so.
It could be an alternate ending if you happen to lose or mess up at the end.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 01:15
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But the General is clearly very different from the run of the mill Collector and the one that EDI performed the DNA analysis on.
Who's to say that the protheans weren't all like the General, and then were twisted and manipulated into a more humanoid form to better serve their purpose?
I'm just saying that the General looked genuinely surprised to be free, moments before it died.
Who's to say that the protheans weren't all like the General, and then were twisted and manipulated into a more humanoid form to better serve their purpose?
I'm just saying that the General looked genuinely surprised to be free, moments before it died.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 01:17
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The Collector general was genetically modified to serve the Reapers. If it felt anything after Harbinger released control, it felt sad that it had failed the Reapers.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 01:21
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Giantevilhead wrote...
The Collector general was genetically modified to serve the Reapers. If it felt anything after Harbinger released control, it felt sad that it had failed the Reapers.
Well the general's body was just a vessel to control the collectors, so if anything it would be Harbringer who messed up, so he'd had have no real reason to feel pity about that.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 01:55
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The basic Collectors match the updated beacon vision better than the General does. If anything, he's the odd one out. He's the only one that can relay direct Reaper control.RequiemValorum wrote...
But the General is clearly very different from the run of the mill Collector and the one that EDI performed the DNA analysis on.
Who's to say that the protheans weren't all like the General, and then were twisted and manipulated into a more humanoid form to better serve their purpose?
I'm just saying that the General looked genuinely surprised to be free, moments before it died.
The Collectors have to be autonomous to some degree. They shouldn't require 24/7 Reaper babysitting to remain enslaved. We saw with Seren that putting their consciousness into another vessel makes them vulnerable, so I doubt Harbinger had been possessing the general for 50,000 years. Most likely, it was only in the years since Sovereign was destroyed.
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Posté 07 février 2010 - 02:05
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Highdragonslayer wrote...
Giantevilhead wrote...
The Collector general was genetically modified to serve the Reapers. If it felt anything after Harbinger released control, it felt sad that it had failed the Reapers.
Well the general's body was just a vessel to control the collectors, so if anything it would be Harbringer who messed up, so he'd had have no real reason to feel pity about that.
The Collector general was genetically altered to serve the Reapers. It's like how members of a cult have been brainwashed to think of their leaders as infallable. If the Collector general had any thoughts or feelings of its own, it would actually blame itself rather than the Reapers for failures of any kind.
