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[Plasma Prestige]

I have beaten ME2 for the second time tonight (paragon soldier, then renegade adept), and in both scenarios, I lost the same characters: Thane, and Tali. In both careers, Tali got shot in the face by a gernade launcher. Thane on the other hand bled out the first game, and was carried away by collector swarms the second game. Both characters were loyal as well. I consulted some online sources to see who to assign where during the suicide mission, and even following the template, I lost the same two characters. This isn't a big deal since I am going to do another playthrough on both careers, but I'd like to save everyone in both cases this time.

Any advice? I don't mind spoilers, since I beat the game twice.

[izmirtheastarach]

Were they both loyal, and who did you assign to do what during the mission?

[smudgedhorizon]

Have you got all the upgrades? That plays a role.

[Plasma Prestige]

Tali and Thane were both loyal in both careers.



My assignments were:



Vent: Tali

Fire Team Leader: Garrus

Diversion Team Leader: Miranda

Biotic Field Generator: Samara

Captured Crew Escort: None (renegade)

[Plasma Prestige]

smudgedhorizon wrote...

Have you got all the upgrades? That plays a role.

Just general upgrades? I didn't have all of them, but there weren't a shortage of upgrades either. I'd say a decent amount. The Normandy's offensive and defensive upgrades were all researched though.

[izmirtheastarach]

Interesting. None of those are incorrect choices. Usually this kind of thing is very obvious. I wonder if it has something to do with playing Renegade.

[Crimson Shame]

You didn't give all your choices, but I can tell you what I did (just got the achievement today with my second playthrough).

Everyone was loyal but Jack to start.  I got all the Normandy ship upgrades except for probes, scanning, and med bay.  Pretty much all of the combat-related things.  This insures that you don't lose anyone in the initial dogfight.

Once on the ground, I:

- Sent Tali through the vents
- Had Garrus lead the second team twice
- Had Samara for the barrier
- Sent Mordin as the escort (read too much about him being weirdly death-prone to risk it)
- Chose Miranda and Grunt for my own squad every time

Edit: You gave your choices when I was posting.  I lost Garrus to seeker swarms on my first playthrough even though he was loyal.  I remember that Samara was on the verge of collapse when it happened.  The second time through, I had it on Casual, and just blew through everyone on that part.   Samara had enough energy at the end to send out some kind of biotic shockwave, and nobody got swarmed.

I can only surmise that going too slow might somehow trigger that particular death.  Maybe it's the same for your Tali death?  Try rushing through all the fights as fast as possible, and see if you get a different result.  I would be interested to hear about it.

Modifié par Crimson Shame, 07 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[epoch_]

Its not just enough to do the loyalty missions. Did you turn in Tali's father's data to the admirals? that would cause her not to be loyal. If they were truely loyal and you followed that set up, then only your crew that went back to the normandy should have died.

[Plasma Prestige]

On my Paragon runthrough, I believe my assignments were:



Vent: Tali

Fire Team: Jack

Diversion: Thane

Biotic Field Generator: Samara

Captured Crew Escort: Jacob

[Plasma Prestige]

epoch_ wrote...

Its not just enough to do the loyalty missions. Did you turn in Tali's father's data to the admirals? that would cause her not to be loyal. If they were truely loyal and you followed that set up, then only your crew that went back to the normandy should have died.

They were truly loyal. I checked before the mission. I didn't turn in Tali's data to the admiral, and I let Thane talk to his son Kolyat after the mission.

[epoch_]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Tali and Thane were both loyal in both careers.

My assignments were:

Vent: Tali
Fire Team Leader: Garrus
Diversion Team Leader: Miranda
Biotic Field Generator: Samara
Captured Crew Escort: None (renegade)

ahh, was garus loyal? If not, tali will die after getting out the pipes.

[izmirtheastarach]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

On my Paragon runthrough, I believe my assignments were:

Vent: Tali
Fire Team: Jack
Diversion: Thane
Biotic Field Generator: Samara
Captured Crew Escort: Jacob

The most correct choices are Tali or Legion for the vent, Garrus or Miranda to lead teams, and Samara or Jack for the Biotics.

If Thane was assigned to lead a team, that explains why he was killed in your Paragon game, but not in your 2nd playthrough. From the choices you made, I am at a loss as to why that would happen.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 07 février 2010 - 02:36 .

[Crimson Shame]

(Reposting my edit so you don't miss it. Seems kinda buried up there)



You gave your choices when I was posting. I lost Garrus to seeker swarms on my first playthrough even though he was loyal. I remember that Samara was on the verge of collapse when it happened. The second time through, I had it on Casual, and just blew through everyone on that part. Samara had enough energy at the end to send out some kind of biotic shockwave, and nobody got swarmed.



I can only surmise that going too slow might somehow trigger that particular death. Maybe it's the same for your Tali death? Try rushing through all the fights as fast as possible, and see if you get a different result. I would be interested to hear about it.

[smudgedhorizon]

I don't know for sure, but the people I've seen make the right team choices were also usually missing a lot of upgrades (like the one that gives entire squad bonuses to health/shields/etc)

I'd assume that having a poorly outfitted squad decreases their chances of survival maybe? *shrugs*

[Plasma Prestige]

epoch_ wrote...

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Tali and Thane were both loyal in both careers.

My assignments were:

Vent: Tali
Fire Team Leader: Garrus
Diversion Team Leader: Miranda
Biotic Field Generator: Samara
Captured Crew Escort: None (renegade)

ahh, was garus loyal? If not, tali will die after getting out the pipes.

Yes, I remember everyone being loyal in my paragon playthrough.
In my renegade playthrough, the only unloyal members were Samara (survived) and Tali (died). While I understand she might've died since I didn't do her loyalty mission, the first playthrough I did.

[izmirtheastarach]

I wonder if maybe the Biotic upgrades have some effect? Seems like we are just spitballing here. Like I said, usually when someone asking why they lost people, you find out they made some really dumb choices on the assignments.

[Plasma Prestige]

Crimson Shame wrote...

(Reposting my edit so you don't miss it. Seems kinda buried up there)

You gave your choices when I was posting. I lost Garrus to seeker swarms on my first playthrough even though he was loyal. I remember that Samara was on the verge of collapse when it happened. The second time through, I had it on Casual, and just blew through everyone on that part. Samara had enough energy at the end to send out some kind of biotic shockwave, and nobody got swarmed.

I can only surmise that going too slow might somehow trigger that particular death. Maybe it's the same for your Tali death? Try rushing through all the fights as fast as possible, and see if you get a different result. I would be interested to hear about it.

Now that I think back, Samara did unleash a shockwave my Paragon playthrough! I don't know why she didn't her second time though.

[Pocketgb]

I lost Mordin the first playthrough when he got hit in the face with a grenade at the first door. Searched around and tried this set-up:

Vents: Legion
Fire team, for both times: Miranda
Escorting the crew: Jacob
Biotic: Samara

They all lived.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 07 février 2010 - 02:42 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Yes, I remember everyone being loyal in my paragon playthrough.
In my renegade playthrough, the only unloyal members were Samara (survived) and Tali (died). While I understand she might've died since I didn't do her loyalty mission, the first playthrough I did.

Well that explains it all. If Samara wasn't loyal, that would result in someone dying. She does not do the blast at the end, so the Collector's get too close, and someone dies. And Tali would have died because she wasn't loyal.

In your first playthrough, Thane leading a team would get him killed, and the tech specialist as well.

So there we have it. The correct way to handle it as a Renegade would either be to have Samara loyal, or kill her and have Morinth loyal instead. And of course Tali being loyal would prevent her death as well.

That is enough information to settle everything.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 07 février 2010 - 02:47 .

[Freestorm Skinn]

After you sent Tali in the vents, did you reach the valves to release the heat in time? If you didn't, that might have slowed her down and caused her to get killed.

[toezz]

I also did my second playthrough today and this was my setup:

Vent: Tali
Fire Team Leader: Garrus
Diversion Team Leader: Garrus
Biotic Field Generator: Samara
Captured Crew Escort: Zaeed

Used Thane And Jacob thru the entire base as main team
No one died, Main Crew and staff.

Every upgrade besides Med Bay
And Everyone Loyal

Also, it doesn`t matter who you pick for anything, if you don`t have loyality on every member someone is gonna die.
Had the excact same setup on my first playthrough but jack was not loyal and tali died when the door is about to be closed.

Atleast for me

Modifié par toezz, 07 février 2010 - 02:48 .

[Plasma Prestige]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Yes, I remember everyone being loyal in my paragon playthrough.
In my renegade playthrough, the only unloyal members were Samara (survived) and Tali (died). While I understand she might've died since I didn't do her loyalty mission, the first playthrough I did.

Well that explains it all. If Samara wasn't loyal, that would result in someone dying. She does not do the blast at the end, so the Collector's get too close, and someone dies. And Tali would have died because she wasn't loyal.

In your first playthrough, Thane leading a team would get him killed, and the tech specialist as well.

So there we have it. The correct way to handle it as a Renegade would either be to have Samara loyal, or kill her and have Morinth loyal instead. And of course Tali being loyal would prevent her death as well.

Genius!

Thanks a lot, you cleared up a lot of foggy circumstantial results. However, why did Tali die the first time then, when she was loyal?
If anyone else has some advice or their own experiences, please post them too.

Modifié par Plasma Prestige, 07 février 2010 - 02:47 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Plasma Prestige wrote...

Genius!

Thanks a lot, you cleared up a lot of foggy circumstantial results. However, why did Tali die the first time then, when she was loyal?
If anyone else has some advice or their own experiences, please post them too.

Tali died because Thane was not well suited for leading the other Fire Team. It's an odd connection, but it is there.

And just to emphasize that for anyone reading later, if you make the wrong choice for Fire Team Leader, that can result in the Tech Specialist being killed. If you use a Biotic who is not loyal, someone will be killed. And of course anyone who is not loyal and is picked for a specific job will also likely be killed.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 07 février 2010 - 02:54 .

[Plasma Prestige]

Very helpful, thanks.