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[ToJKa1]

andyr1986 wrote...

I couldn't follow xenosaga at all. I started with one of the later games ans after watching the 3 hour catchup DVD was still none the wiser so I took the game back and bought a sandwich.

It was longer than 3 hours. WAY longer

That's how i got into the series too, bought the second episode (which ridiculously was the only one released in PAL region), watched the cutscenes and they really made no sense. Since then i've gotten american versions of the first and third episode, and in my ever-so-humble opinion it is something special. I have also played Xenogears, but something in that game disagreed with me, even before getting to the second disc.

Compared to Mass Effect? I'll wait until the ME trilogy is finished before making any judgements, but so far it seems they are so very different that trying to compare them wouldn't really work. Regardless, i enjoy them both.

And ES Dinah FTW, Normandy has nothing on that *hides behind a rock*

[A Killing Sound]

andyr1986 wrote...

I couldn't follow xenosaga at all. I started with one of the later games ans after watching the 3 hour catchup DVD was still none the wiser so I took the game back and bought a sandwich.

Good move.  At least a sandwich leaves a good taste in your mouth after you are done with it

[ToJKa1]

Depends on the sandwich

Modifié par ToJKa1, 17 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

[ApolloCloud]

God is dead.

[ApolloCloud]

You shall be as Gods.

[SithLordExarKun]

You sound alot like this guy mad about JRPG's on some killermovie forum...

[ArmedChimp]

JRPG's are dead and dated.

[javierabegazo]

I think the Xenosaga series is INFINITELY inferior to Xenogears, especially in strength of characters, and story, but hey, that's just me

[A Killing Sound]

javierabegazo wrote...

I think the Xenosaga series is INFINITELY inferior to Xenogears, especially in strength of characters, and story, but hey, that's just me

Nah, it's not just you man.  It's the truth.

[Urazz]

ShadyKat wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Xenosaga sucks. Walk 3 steps...random battle....walk 2 more steps...random battle..................................get off the toilet....random battle.

And you obviously didn't play 3.

Why would I after I thought the first one wasn't very good.

Shame, because Xenosaga 3 is a dramatic improvement over both of the other two games.  It has a good storyline too so you would probably want to play Xenosaga 1 and 2 (or watch the cutscenes on youtube I guess) to not be totally lost in Xenosaga 3.

Xenosaga has a good story but is quite complex so it's not for everyone if you don't like thinking about the story.

Anyways, you can't really compare the two games.   So far though I like the Mass Effect Series more than the Xenosaga series.  Not to say I think Xenosaga is bad but I like Mass Effect better.

Modifié par Urazz, 25 avril 2010 - 02:48 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xenosaga one was good. It set a good tone, had a great sense of scale emphasized by a first-rate codex, and while touching on a lot of themes and character types with an emphasis on preparing for the next installments, kept more or less a mostly sci-fi base to its mystical elements. It's characters were no more trite or cliche than, say, the ME2 cast, but the cutscenes told a pretty story and gave them more feel than poor Jacob got. It also had some good humor, such as the tongue-in-cheek Magical Girl battle strategy with Momo, or the super-robot Erde Kaiser. Overall, it was a comprehensive sci-fi with a tantelizing hint of intrigue and unfathomable mysteries.



Xenosaga 2 ruined almost all of it by moving to a tedious battle system, dropping most of the scale along with the codex, and spending ridiculous amounts of time on Momo alone. They introduced and lost characters of no importance or meaning, and limited the previous scale to a mere handful of actual areas.I enjoyed XS1 both as a game and as a story: I endured XS2, but it left me with no desire to play 3.



Which one is best depends on what you're looking for. Xenosaga one is an excellent game, certainly polished well beyond ME2, but it's non-interactive. It's an RPG in the same way that, say, Resident Evil is: the player exists to get from cutscene to cutscene. However, in some ways I enjoy it more than Mass Effect 1: it's not as varied, but is thorough. XS1 is more polished than either of the Mass Effect games: part of it comes from its graphical style, but you don't look at Xenosaga 1 and think 'wow, they could have used a few more monthes to fix textures/terrain/characterization scripting.'



Xenosaga 1 is an excellent game in its own right, certainly something that deserves an honest chance.

[Batman90]

ReDSH1FT wrote...
WRPGs are surpassing them in every respect.

No they aren't.

BioWare's really one of the only (If the only) WRPG developers that puts out games with story-telling that surpasses the vast majority of JRPGs.

Unfortunately, most other WRPGs are "buffet-style" games (As in, plenty of quantity, but oh so little quality. Bethesda RPGs, for example, have alot of **** to do, but little of it feels as polished or as sophisticated as what you experience in a BioWare game) with bare-bones, cookie-cutter plots and depthless, no-strategy "hack n' slash" gameplay.

That's not to say that the JRPG genre isn't stagnant (I'll agree to that, even though Final Fantasy, a JRPG franchise, is one of my favorite videogame franchises of all time (But then again, Final Fantasy is progressive and experimental compared to most other JRPGS (Which turn out to be the ones consistently borrowing from the FF franchise))); it's just that it takes a certain level of dumbassery to suggest that only the JRPG genre is stagnant and that the WRPG genre doesn't have a similar number of faults.

But yeah, Xenosaga's crap. I can understand long cutscenes, but I can't stand long boring cutscenes. They could've at least made what you were watching interesting.

Modifié par Batman90, 25 avril 2010 - 03:30 .

[XavierHollywood]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xenosaga one was good. It set a good tone, had a great sense of scale emphasized by a first-rate codex, and while touching on a lot of themes and character types with an emphasis on preparing for the next installments, kept more or less a mostly sci-fi base to its mystical elements. It's characters were no more trite or cliche than, say, the ME2 cast, but the cutscenes told a pretty story and gave them more feel than poor Jacob got. It also had some good humor, such as the tongue-in-cheek Magical Girl battle strategy with Momo, or the super-robot Erde Kaiser. Overall, it was a comprehensive sci-fi with a tantelizing hint of intrigue and unfathomable mysteries.

Xenosaga 2 ruined almost all of it by moving to a tedious battle system, dropping most of the scale along with the codex, and spending ridiculous amounts of time on Momo alone. They introduced and lost characters of no importance or meaning, and limited the previous scale to a mere handful of actual areas.I enjoyed XS1 both as a game and as a story: I endured XS2, but it left me with no desire to play 3.

Which one is best depends on what you're looking for. Xenosaga one is an excellent game, certainly polished well beyond ME2, but it's non-interactive. It's an RPG in the same way that, say, Resident Evil is: the player exists to get from cutscene to cutscene. However, in some ways I enjoy it more than Mass Effect 1: it's not as varied, but is thorough. XS1 is more polished than either of the Mass Effect games: part of it comes from its graphical style, but you don't look at Xenosaga 1 and think 'wow, they could have used a few more monthes to fix textures/terrain/characterization scripting.'

Xenosaga 1 is an excellent game in its own right, certainly something that deserves an honest chance.

If you havent played Xenosaga 3 you are SORELY missing out man.  Especially considering you liked part 1.  Part 3 EASILY destroys both 1 and 2 (and i enjoyed part 1 greatly) and i think is quite honestly one of my favorite JRPGs.  All the good things you mentioned about 1, 3 does infinitely better.

That being said, I cant say which is better.  Its comparing apples and orangles, and i happen to love both apples and oranges.

[askanec]

Xenosaga is just terrible. When I played part 1, the game alludes to alot of developments that seem interesting at the time, but all it serves was to really make me feel mystified.

For instance, KosMos goes "Will pain make me complete?" and proceed to suck in a whole bunch of gnosis. Wow, what just happened? How did she do that? What did she mean? Can the game explain please? Is this game going to explain it somewhere later? It's just that, it keeps me hanging and mystified.

Then when I picked up part 2, I've already forgotten much of the mysteries in part 1. It's not difficult at all since those events just happened right in the middle and the game throw disconnected bits and pieces at you. Worse, I found part 2 just boring and gave up midway through the game.

Maybe the whole game series is really deep and it had a really moving message, but I already stopped caring about the story halfway. It just doesn't feel engaging nor did I feel motivated to know more.

Modifié par askanec, 25 avril 2010 - 08:42 .

[A Killing Sound]

askanec wrote...

Xenosaga is just terrible. When I played part 1, the game alludes to alot of developments that seem interesting at the time, but all it serves was to really make me feel mystified.

For instance, KosMos goes "Will pain make me complete?" and proceed to suck in a whole bunch of gnosis. Wow, what just happened? How did she do that? What did she mean? Can the game explain please? Is this game going to explain it somewhere later? It's just that, it keeps me hanging and mystified.

Then when I picked up part 2, I've already forgotten much of the mysteries in part 1. It's not difficult at all since those events just happened right in the middle and the game throw disconnected bits and pieces at you. Worse, I found part 2 just boring and gave up midway through the game.

Maybe the whole game series is really deep and it had a really moving message, but I already stopped caring about the story halfway. It just doesn't feel engaging nor did I feel motivated to know more.

Totally agree.  The real mystery in the Xenosaga series was how a sequel ever got the the green light to be produced. 

Further mystery still for you Agatha Christie and Arthur Conan Doyle fans to ponder:  how this thread has kept going this long when it is clear most prefer Mass Effect over Xenosaga. 

Modifié par A Killing Sound, 25 avril 2010 - 02:47 .

[Lake88]

A Killing Sound wrote...

Further mystery still for you Agatha Christie and Arthur Conan Doyle fans to ponder:  how this thread has kept going this long when it is clear most prefer Mass Effect over Xenosaga. 

Because someone has been bumping this thread back to the front every week...

[ApolloCloud]

God did not create the light because he wanted his children to see. God created the light because he was afraid of the dark. He used the light as a blanket to shield his eyes from that which he feared. Notice how the Sun, his most prized possession, flees at the mere approach of darkness's void. Notice how the sky, his most colourful painting, is slowly washed away by its presence. Notice how all plantlife cease their growth at the terrifying prospect of reaching its heights. You worship a being who would sooner flee at the sight his own shadow before giving a blind man the gift of his vision.

Modifié par ApolloCloud, 10 mai 2010 - 12:03 .

[ApolloCloud]

hehe good times

[Sleepicub09]

wtf is xenosaga

[Pacifien]

This is a versus thread and a necro'd thread. We don't like them here.

Modifié par Pacifien, 09 février 2011 - 06:06 .