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[What a Twist]

I wasn't sure which forum is meant for this since its about both games, but this forum is less cluttered than ME's at the moment.

Before I have to go buy flame risistant clothing, I don't hate mass effect 1 or 2, and I will be buying future DLCs for it. I just wanted to share my comparison of both games.


Just like any other game ever created, there are small things that bugg me about both DA:O and ME2. I found the combat systems equally fun in both games, and graphics aren't that important to me in any game. Dragon age feels to me like it has more meat on its bones, i'm not sure how else to explain it. Theres more dialogue in DA, more areas to explore, and more spells-abilities. Yet somehow ME requires a double disc setup just to play through the campaign.

The relationships in mass effect 2 are just shallow compared to dragon age, and theres no way to deny that. The story lines are not really impressive in either game, so I won't get into that. After the first play through, I tried going through a second time which im working on now, and its just boring. Sure the combat is entertaining, but its the exact same thing. First time I was paragon, and now im renegade, but its just the same stuff.

In dragon age you get real choices that really effectthe story. If you don't do the loyalty quests in ME,you lose team members, but its not the same thing. You get huge earth shattering choices in DA, everything you do seems to effect something else, its all so cohesive. I can play through dragon age 4 times and still not be bored with it 80% of the time, but just going through mass effect twice is a struggle.

The part of mass effect that really stands out is the ending, that part of the game from the time your crew gets captured, its just liquid epic. The rest of the game just feels like im playing to get to the good part.

Modifié par What a Twist, 07 février 2010 - 03:56 .

[Wishpig]

I gotta say, over all, I thought ME2 was the better game. I liked the game play, world (or rather universe), the story, the weapons, the music, and even most of the characters more the DA:O. Don't get me wrong though, I love DA:O. But a new engine, a new franchis, it's got all the problems ME1 had... ME2 had the chance to fix those problems like I'm sure the sequal to dragon age will.



But DA:O OWNED ME2's companion interaction. One thing I love about bioware's games is the cast of companions you travel with. I never really get attached to or even relate to the character I play as... rather I get more attached to the companions and other characters he interacts with. So the fact the companions in ME2 didn't interact with you or each other as much as in DA:O was a huge let down, especially since ME did a much better job in this aspect.



Maybe it's because ME2 had more companions then any other bioware game to date... maybe there was just to many.

[What a Twist]

Wishpig wrote...

I gotta say, over all, I thought ME2 was the better game. I liked the game play, world (or rather universe), the story, the weapons, the music, and even most of the characters more the DA:O. Don't get me wrong though, I love DA:O. But a new engine, a new franchis, it's got all the problems ME1 had... ME2 had the chance to fix those problems like I'm sure the sequal to dragon age will.

But DA:O OWNED ME2's companion interaction. One thing I love about bioware's games is the cast of companions you travel with. I never really get attached to or even relate to the character I play as... rather I get more attached to the companions and other characters he interacts with. So the fact the companions in ME2 didn't interact with you or each other as much as in DA:O was a huge let down, especially since ME did a much better job in this aspect.

Maybe it's because ME2 had more companions then any other bioware game to date... maybe there was just to many.

I'm fairly sure DA has more companions, ill have to count them all and get back to you on that though.

[Kalfear]

DA:O was heads and tails above ME2, its not even close



As a shooter ME2 is better but if you like character development, interaction, emotional connections to story and characters (you know all the things that make RPGs great) then DA:O is the game for you.



ME1 still my all time favorite game at 9.5 score

DA:O my #2 at a 9.0 score

ME2 comes in well down the list at 7.1 score



ME2 has a good story but thats all it is, a good story. Since you dont really effect it in any way till the final scene you basically just following a linear path from start to finish doing what someone else wanted you to do, when they wanted you to do it, and how they wanted you to do it. ME2 has zero immersion for anyone that values character development and interaction with in a story.



Put it this way

ME2 is a great story, id definately rent the movie and watch it and enjoy it

DA:O is the better RPG if you looking for long term entertainment with replayability.

[thegreateski]

Apples and Oranges

[Ylvena]

What a Twist wrote...


The part of mass effect that really stands out is the ending, that part of the game from the time your crew gets captured, its just liquid epic. The rest of the game just feels like im playing to get to the good part.

I like ME2 and DA both, and it is a matter of taste i suppose.

Ive always liked space adventure as much as the knights and elfs kind of thing. But what you are saying right there is something that can be said for DA aswell in some way. DA has more options in the way of defining your character( option of race and class, personality....etc), but it does feel like the ending is pretty much the best part at least after a few times playing through. You do get abit tired of the same places with a few different dialog options depending on what race or class you are ( to few in my opinion)  And ME2 does actually have more variaty in quests, at least that is how it felt to me.
The characters are interesting in both, but at least you dont have to bribe you party members to like you with silly little gifts. One gift should be enough! They should like you for the leader you are or/and that you can get the job done (sorry that was more of a rant.) I do feel that i spend most of my time in camp "kissing up" to my party in DA.

Anyway both games have good and bad sides, but i must say ME2 gets a plus over DA for the quests at this point. very well done.

Modifié par Ylvena, 07 février 2010 - 06:59 .

[Pinkleaf]

Dragon age is a master piece, a game that will be bought, talked about, referred and compared to, in the years to come. If Bioware keep to this winning format they can print their own money.



Mass Effect, on the other hand, should be shelved, or at least have all 3 parts made into one game if it is to come anywhere near as brilliant to Dragon age. Mass Effect is generally a game of, collect your team, resources and some high tech equipment, then it's game over, there is no real substance to it.

[Spitz6860]

overall i think Dragon Age is slightly ahead of ME2, that being said, there is a lot Dragon Age can learn from it, side quests, character animation and facial animation etc.
On the other hand, a large part of ME2's success is due to the character import function, no game has really done this before. and you can't really appreciate the game until you played with 2 different Shepard, the way dialog changes based your character and things you have done is brilliant. Also personally i prefer the dialog wheel compare to the lines in dragon age. and the manually triggered paragon/renegade actions are super awesome. i hope they include that in DA.

Modifié par Spitz6860, 07 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[Veex]

Pinkleaf wrote...

Dragon age is a master piece, a game that will be bought, talked about, referred and compared to, in the years to come. If Bioware keep to this winning format they can print their own money.

Mass Effect, on the other hand, should be shelved, or at least have all 3 parts made into one game if it is to come anywhere near as brilliant to Dragon age. Mass Effect is generally a game of, collect your team, resources and some high tech equipment, then it's game over, there is no real substance to it.

Phew, thank goodness you aren't working for BioWare. The commercial success of Mass Effect 2 will be the reason Dragon Age is able to expand and become the game it should be. You may not enjoy it personally, but many people do, and BioWare would be foolish to shelve the project to work on a commercially inferior piece to cater to it's hardcore RPG fanbase.

That said, Dragon Age is a great game, as is Mass Effect 2.

[hexaligned]

Different strokes for different folks, no sense in comparing them really. Personally I liked them both, however I played through ME2 once and uninstalled it...guess what I reinstalled?

[Mistersunshine]

I loved (and am still loving) Dragon Age more than just about any other game ever. The only possible exception being Planescape: Torment, and even that's a tough comparison.

I haven't played Mass Effect 2, but I've watched my roommate playing it on his Xbox360. It looks like a very cool game, and I'll absolutely play it. But it doesn't seem to hold a candle to Dragon Age, for what I want in a game.

Everyone has their own tastes, though.

Modifié par Mistersunshine, 07 février 2010 - 08:25 .

[SolaFide03]

I'm more of a classical RPG person so DA:O has natural appeal to me.  I did buy ME1 retail about a month ago to play through to get a character to import into ME2. 

Story writing is awesome in both games.  ME2 is just one of those hybrid shooter/RPG games that will draw criticism for being not RPG enough or not shooter enough.  I've simply learned to enjoy ME2 on it's own merits without it having to be a reskinned DA:O.  Only thing to get me away from DA:O was ME2.

Bioware, can I leave the house and get some fresh air now?

[Pinkleaf]

Veex wrote...


Phew, thank goodness you aren't working for BioWare. The commercial success of Mass Effect 2 will be the reason Dragon Age is able to expand and become the game it should be. You may not enjoy it personally, but many people do, and BioWare would be foolish to shelve the project to work on a commercially inferior piece to cater to it's hardcore RPG fanbase.

That said, Dragon Age is a great game, as is Mass Effect 2.

I understand what you are saying, it's just that I believe Dragon age to have the better future.

Do you really think Bioware may offer me employment? :happy:

[Spitz6860]

Veex wrote...
The commercial success of Mass Effect 2 will be the reason Dragon Age is able to expand and become the game it should be.

you know i would have said it the other way around, Mass Effect exists because Bioware is still making games like Dragon Age, because it's where their roots are. in other words, Bioware wouldn't be the same  anymore if they stop making game like Dragon Age.

[Ylvena]

Spitz6860 wrote...

you know i would have said it the
other way around, Mass Effect exists because Bioware is still making
games like Dragon Age, because it's where their roots are. in other
words, Bioware wouldn't be the same  anymore if they stop making game
like Dragon Age.

Yes we would not want them to stop making great rpg games =( ...that would be rather depressing... at least for me

[Veex]

Pinkleaf wrote...

I understand what you are saying, it's just that I believe Dragon age to have the better future.

Hopefully each series has a prosperous future which appeals to it's respective player base.

Spitz6860 wrote...

you know i would have said it the other way around, Mass Effect exists because Bioware is still making games like Dragon Age, because it's where their roots are. in other words, Bioware wouldn't be the same  anymore if they stop making game like Dragon Age.

A fair point. I do think it a shame that many fans of BioWare simply can't tolerate them making games outside of their strictly turn based RPG format, but that is a discussion for another time. I think the sales figures speak for themselves. Mass Effect 2 will help BioWare continue to make projects like Dragon Age that, for whatever reason, don't tend to reach the mass market.

I think the proof is in the direction they're already moving. Projects like Star Wars: The Old Republic and Mass Effect will provide BioWare, backed by EA, with more funds and resources to make titles like Dragon Age even better in the future. They aren't going to stop making the games that made them famous, but I think it is unfortunate that some folks seem to punish BioWare for looking to expand their own repetoire.

As I said above, I think Dragon Age is a great game, and I would never lobby for BioWare to shelve any project.

[DomiiMai]

Dragon Age will always be better than ME2. Period.

I'll leave it at that.

[Abriael_CG]

DA:O is tons better than ME2, on basically every square of the checkboard. Though, ME2 is still a good game.

On and by the way, for the ones blabbering that Dragon Age will need ME2's success to prosper, that's bollocks. Dragon Age's sales have been quite stellar. About 2 millions between the two consoles, and the PC version sold in 2009 (less than 2 months of 2009) more than what Empire Total War sold in almost the whole year. This means more than one and half millions. I wouldn't be surprised if by now the total sales including digital distrubution are well over 4 millions. That's plenty "mass" market.

The game is a great success in it's own right. Bioware doesn't definitely need funding coming from Mass Effect 2 to develop Dragon Age further. In fact, DA's first expansion, coming only 4 months after release, was announced well before the release of ME2. You don't develop new content this fast for a franchise that doesn't abundantly stand on it's own legs.

If you think that Dragon Age is the commercial weak link of Bioware's chain, you're being delusional, and you might want to get your facts straight.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 07 février 2010 - 09:16 .

[Kalfear]

Veex wrote...

Pinkleaf wrote...

I understand what you are saying, it's just that I believe Dragon age to have the better future.

Hopefully each series has a prosperous future which appeals to it's respective player base.

Spitz6860 wrote...

you know i would have said it the other way around, Mass Effect exists because Bioware is still making games like Dragon Age, because it's where their roots are. in other words, Bioware wouldn't be the same  anymore if they stop making game like Dragon Age.

A fair point. I do think it a shame that many fans of BioWare simply can't tolerate them making games outside of their strictly turn based RPG format, but that is a discussion for another time. I think the sales figures speak for themselves. Mass Effect 2 will help BioWare continue to make projects like Dragon Age that, for whatever reason, don't tend to reach the mass market.

I think the proof is in the direction they're already moving. Projects like Star Wars: The Old Republic and Mass Effect will provide BioWare, backed by EA, with more funds and resources to make titles like Dragon Age even better in the future. They aren't going to stop making the games that made them famous, but I think it is unfortunate that some folks seem to punish BioWare for looking to expand their own repetoire.

As I said above, I think Dragon Age is a great game, and I would never lobby for BioWare to shelve any project.

??????

Im pretty sure DA:O sales are what will dictate on there being a DA:O 2, not Mass Effect 2

What are these sales you keep refering to? Last report ME2 shipped 2 million copies but had sold just over 1.5 million of those. DA:O also sold well over a million copies.

How do you get ME influencing DA:O resources?

As for other stuff, hey, im all for Bioware making what ever they want but when they advertise it as a 50/50 shooter/RPG they better deliver on the 50% RPG. Mass Effect 2 is 80/20 shooter/RPG in my book.

Tell me upfront you making a shooter with a story and not worrying about the RPG elements that were so strong in the first game of the franchise and ill say"Great, all the power to you" and not buy the game! But thats not what Bioware did so dont go blaming the customers for giving negative after they were misled on what the game was going to be.

Wouldnt you be upset if Bioware told you (quote) DA:O will have all the RPG elements that made the first game great (unquote) and you purchased game only to find out it was Diablo and not DA:O?

anyways, wrong forum for this but you need to lay off the customer base that felt wronged by ME2. It wasnt even close to what it said it was going to be.

[Veex]

Abriael_CG wrote...

DA:O is tons better than ME2, on basically every square of the checkboard. Though, ME2 is still a good game.

I'm not going to debate an opinion. Different people like different types of games, I'll leave it at that.

On and by the way, for the ones blabbering that Dragon Age will need ME2's success to prosper, that's bollocks. Dragon Age's sales have been quite stellar. About 2 millions between the two consoles, and the PC version sold in 2009 (less than 2 months of 2009) more than what Empire Total War sold in almost the whole year. This means more than one and half millions. I wouldn't be surprised if by now the total sales including digital distrubution are well over 4 millions. That's plenty "mass" market.

The game is a great success in it's own right. Bioware doesn't definitely need funding coming from Mass Effect 2 to develop Dragon Age further. In fact, DA's first expansion, coming only 4 months after release, was announced well before the release of ME2. You don't develop new content this fast for a franchise that doesn't abundantly stand on it's own legs.

I never said Dragon Age needed the assistance of sales from Mass Effect to continue to be the game it is. I stated that the additional revenue from a more commercially successful project like Mass Effect 2 will help make Dragon Age the game it should be. Gaining additional funds and resources can do nothing but help bolster an ambitious project like Dragon Age, I don't really see how that is a debatable point.

Does Dragon Age have enough of a fan base for it to continue to develop? Absolutely. Will more resources help that development? Yes.

[Veex]

Kalfear wrote..



What are these sales you keep refering to? Last report ME2 shipped 2 million copies but had sold just over 1.5 million of those. DA:O also sold well over a million copies.

Mass Effect 2 sold more copies in two weeks than Dragon Age has sold in three months. As I stated in the post above, additional revenue from any project can do nothing but help a company in developing their work. I'm not here debating what game you personally like more, I'm stating that someone insinuating Mass Effect should be shelved, as a poster did, is simply not a smart thing to say.

anyways, wrong forum for this but you need to lay off the customer base that felt wronged by ME2. It wasnt even close to what it said it was going to be.

It is everything it was marketed to be. You can't fault BioWare for your personal expectations when there was ample information available about the inventory and customization systems prior to release.

[Bfler]

The replay value of ME 2 is compared to DA minimal. Through the reduced skill, character development system and because of the shooter like concept with straight levels with almost no hidden treasures and other surprising things there isn't much what justifies a lot of playtroughs. In the first run you know the story and the few quests, then maybe a second run with another char but this becomes already boring because you know everything besides your char. And because there isn't a multiplayer that was all for ME 2. There isn't even a toolset where you can add a bit of self made content.

In this regard DA has to offer a lot more.

Modifié par Bfler, 07 février 2010 - 09:42 .

[Veex]

Bfler wrote...

The replay value of ME 2 is compared to DA minimal.

A good point. I think the replay value is actually most notably in the various story endings, and not in the class or system mechanics, because you usually become fairly familiar with how each class plays assuming you take control of your party members on occasion.

[Spitz6860]

Veex wrote...

Spitz6860 wrote...

you know i would have said it the other way around, Mass Effect exists because Bioware is still making games like Dragon Age, because it's where their roots are. in other words, Bioware wouldn't be the same  anymore if they stop making game like Dragon Age.

A fair point. I do think it a shame that many fans of BioWare simply can't tolerate them making games outside of their strictly turn based RPG format, but that is a discussion for another time. I think the sales figures speak for themselves. Mass Effect 2 will help BioWare continue to make projects like Dragon Age that, for whatever reason, don't tend to reach the mass market.

i agree, people like that ought to be shot, lol j/k. while i totally agree that Biwoare is probably the best RPG developer out there, i don't think they should restrict themselves from other genres or cross genres. i don't want them to be one trick ponies like Infinity Ward or Bungie.
oh btw, ME2 sold over 2 million copies in a week, and that doesn't even include people who ordered it through Steam or D2D.

Modifié par Spitz6860, 07 février 2010 - 10:10 .