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[The Black Ghost]

I think the writers may have dug themselves into a hole here. I'd love to see them explain this one. The Reapers are out past the edge of the universe and theyre going in for a full attack...!                ...On sublight drives?

They wont have to worry about Shepard because by the time they reach the galaxy, Shepard will be dead, along with anyone related to the story.

If the Reapers start their engines now, they will run out of battery sooner or later, and since they cant use the mass relays, they're stuck out there for a long time.

[Lord_Metal666]

FTL travel without use of mass relays is possible in mass effect. Plus it's the reapers we're talking about here.

[GnusmasTHX]

They'll use FTL.



They're Reapers.



'Nuff said.

[Internet Kraken]

This is actually what I thought about when I beat Mass Effect 1. Shepard acted like the reapers were still a major threat, but all I could think about was how they were trapped in dark space. I was under the impression that they didn't have enough energy to fly all the way back to the galaxy.



Actually, why don't the Reapers just wait for Shepard to die of natural causes?

[Sursion]

The Black Ghost wrote...

The Reapers are out past the edge of the universe and theyre going in for a full attack...!

Galaxy. Not universe. There's your problem. And FTL exists in Mass Effect. How do you not know this?

Modifié par Sursion, 07 février 2010 - 04:03 .

[marshalleck]

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

I am not asking why the Reapers want the Citadel. I'm asking why they didn't just fly into the galaxy in the first place and avoid the whole problem of Sovereign getting blown up while trying to recapture it.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 février 2010 - 06:06 .

[Randy1012]

Basic FTL does exist in Mass Effect, but you can only travel about a dozen light years in one day. That's why the mass relays are so invaluable. So unless the Reapers find another way to unlock the Citadel Relay or unless they had some other backup plan stashed somewhere, it's still going to take them a while to return from dark space.

[Unato]

as someone once said on said forum, they move at the speed of plot



ie, they'll be here by ME 3

[sergio71785]

I don't think the Reapers are actually trying to reach the Galaxy without the use of a Mass Relay. I think that ending scene that showed them was more to remind the player of the threat they pose, than actually serve as a story point. Even Reapers need a source of energy, I don't think they'll have enough "fuel" to reach the Galaxy on their own. A Mass Relay is needed.

I suspect ME3 will be about Harbinger (and likely other servants of the Reapers) constructing a new huge Mass Relay capable of bringing in the rest of the Reapers, as the Citadel is out of the question for that now.

Modifié par sergio71785, 07 février 2010 - 04:07 .

[wbaron]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again. 

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Excellent question and one that has been glossed over time and time again in not 1, but now 2 full ME games.

Modifié par wbaron, 07 février 2010 - 04:08 .

[TeaCokeProphet]

I'm pretty sure the writers have only made you think they've...written themselves into a hole. They're Reapers, and although conventional FTL won't get them to the galaxy in time, they have another way. Definitely.

[VettoRyouzou]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

[Gill Kaiser]

Wormholes.

[GnusmasTHX]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

2000 years? What?

Also the same reason people  drive to destinations instead of walk. Also in this case, your destination has some strategic value as a hub for all Relays and the seat of galactic government.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 07 février 2010 - 04:09 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Actually, why don't the Reapers just wait for Shepard to die of natural causes?

some people are stronger in death than in life.

we tend to call them heroes.

the post-humous impact that true heroes have on society is much more powerful that that person would have had with a gun in his/her hand while alive.


it would be in the reapers best interest to destroy the image of the hero while he/she is still alive to crush any possibility of hope in mankind.

[wbaron]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

Did you see what 1 reaper did to the nearly combined might of the galaxy?  What would the result of the attack been if he brought a buddy?   Now multiply that attack by 10's of thousands...

Let's not forget that the the Collectors and (some) Geth are also working for the reapers and they were notable absent in this 'critical' attack....

Modifié par wbaron, 07 février 2010 - 04:13 .

[Default137]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Because its either a plothole, or we did something in ME2 that will end up helping them.

Something that may involve the fact there was a giant dead Reaper floating through space.

Something that may have to do with a giant red Mass Effect Relay.

That, or there is the fact that there is evidence someone is messing around with Dark Matter, and using it on suns, which if you know anything about Science could lead to uh, black holes, white holes, or ****, all sorts of bad things, and for all we know, the Reapers could be using this to help them get over, but didn't want to go with this plan when they still had the original one in motion.

Modifié par Default137, 07 février 2010 - 04:11 .

[E96 B]

All the ships in Mass Effect have FTL drives, even the freaking shuttle had it.

Otherwise it would take decades to travel between systems.

[marshalleck]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

I didn't ask why they want the Citadel. I asked why Sovereign would attack it on his own when he could have just waited for them to arrive by conventional means and launch a coordinated attack.

I understand very well the response "a wizard did it." That solves a tech problem, but creates a logical problem. Why didn't they just do this in the first place?

[GnusmasTHX]

marshalleck wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

I didn't ask why they want the Citadel. I asked why Sovereign would attack it on his own when he could have just waited for them to arrive by conventional means and launch a coordinated attack.

I understand very well the response "a wizard did it." That solves a tech problem, but creates a logical problem. Why didn't they just do this in the first place?

The whole point of using the Citadel is so they DON'T have to arrive by conventional means.

[Jake71887]

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

[VettoRyouzou]

wbaron wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

Did you see what 1 reaper did to the nearly combined might of the galaxy?  What would the result of the attack been if he brought a buddy?   Now multiply that attack by 10's of thousands...

Combined might of 1 fleet there are allot more and it take more then 1 reaper to harvest every planet in the galaxy specially with out having data were every colony was, You people think WAY to small the citadel was more then just a back door it was the galaxy hub if information’s anything and everything that is known goes threw there one way or another. To quote many people in this game even VIGIAL" Information is power".


Sorvegin job was to take a hold of the citadel open the back door lock out the mass relays and dispense the information gather on the citadel.

[The Capital Gaultier]

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

You miss the whole point of the Reaper attacks.  The Reapers are farmers, not warriors.  They've perfected a strategy based on superior technology and piggybacking, and they don't show much real creativity outside of the plan.  If they come back to a militant universe on the defensive, the Reapers have a much more difficult fight that they aren't guaranteed to win.  Like any good predator, they want to win quickly and painlessly.  The Citadel plan is essential to their own survival.

[marshalleck]

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

[VettoRyouzou]

Also why do we assume Sovergin went back with the rest of the reapers? What if they all way leave one behind just out of site of the galaxy to wait to slowly come back in when the time right.