MasonK wrote...
Yes, I understand what happens in ME1... I've summarized it too much on this thread. The point I'm making is having Harbinger controlling the collectors from Dark Space is a plot problem. There is no mention that cybernetic modifications are how Harbinger is controlling the collectors from Dark Space. Mordin says that they used cybernetic modifications to compensate for their lack of usefulness due to prolonged indoctrination. Which evolved them into the look they are now. It is stated in ME1 that prolonged indoctrination destroys the mind and turns the indoctrinated into lifeless goons. That is why Saren was studying indoctrination on Virmire.
Now, since these collectors were under indoctrination and only cybernetics were to keep them from wearing out, it makes sense that a Reaper was left behind to indoctrinate them. However, if we go yours(and the implied approach) that Harbinger is in Dark Space controlling them, then they could indoctrinate and open up the Citadel relay without Sovereign.
Finally, if we assume that the cybernetics included a control chip so Harbinger could control them from Dark Space - instead of indoctrination from a local Reaper - then again, they could have done this without Sovereign. AND if Harbinger was assuming control of these collectors from Dark Space via a control chip, then why are no other Reapers in Dark Space assuming control of all other collectors?
I'm reaching as much as you are with this control chip business. It needs to be avoided in ME3.
The Collector's are machine, rather than organic. Or more accurately they resemble synthetics. They're not indoctrinated, they do their duties because they're designed to.
At most some Protheans were indoctrinated thousands of years ago, and they formed the basis of the cloned, technological Collector population we have today.
Then the Reapers left, and the now Collector's have been diligently doing their duty since.
Assuming control and indoctrination are not the same thing. In fact, they're drastically different. I doubt any Reaper can assume control of an entirely, or for the most part organic mind, like Saren's pre-implant. That's why they indoctrinate their non-implanted followers like Benezia or Saren, and can assume control of them once they've received implants, like Saren and every single Collector, because both have extensive cybernetic modifications.
The act of indoctrination and implantation still requires the presence of a Reaper (or perhaps just their technology), but these acts took place thousands of years ago. A system was put in place that allowed for easy Collector control (not indoctrination) through extensive use of technology and cloning.
Likewise it's not illogical to assume Saren could operate, as an indoctrinated agent, away from Sovereign, why can't Harbinger assume control over a minion over vast distances, especially when they're designed for that purpose?
More so, not Saren or any indoctrinated or controlled anything can activate the Citadel relay. You need the presence of a Reaper. Sovereign had to be there regardless.
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Also, all other Reapers were hibernating. That's why you see their lights finally flash on in the end cutscene, after their Plan C has failed and they start mobilizing for whatever they have next.
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It's perfectly non-plot-holing, and a solid subject if you understand what's going on. So I'll leave it at that and actually play some of the game, or Homeworld 2... And maybe sleep. Us organics do that, too.
Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 07 février 2010 - 10:45 .
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