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[MasonK]

Dark Gantros wrote...

I'm surprised no one has picked up on the significance of Haestrom (unless I missed it in previous posts), the sun is preparing to go nova ahead of it's natural lifespan, which will likely result in a new nebula being formed as a result. Why is the Citadel in a nebula? It likely had to be built around a singularity formed from a recently destroyed star to create such a massive relay. The Reapers are building another Citadel class relay! Or, at least making a temporary one so they can enter the galaxy en masse. I suspect that Haestrom will be the site of the final battle fleet wise, with Citadel Races, a unified geth/quarian fleet, krogan, rachni, batarians, and others. Of course, this is if you go pure Paragon.

People talking about the wormhole/blackhole are referring to Haestrom.  I agree. 

Modifié par MasonK, 07 février 2010 - 07:59 .

[LazyPunK]

Dark Gantros wrote...

I'm surprised no one has picked up on the significance of Haestrom (unless I missed it in previous posts), the sun is preparing to go nova ahead of it's natural lifespan, which will likely result in a new nebula being formed as a result. Why is the Citadel in a nebula? It likely had to be built around a singularity formed from a recently destroyed star to create such a massive relay. The Reapers are building another Citadel class relay! Or, at least making a temporary one so they can enter the galaxy en masse. I suspect that Haestrom will be the site of the final battle fleet wise, with Citadel Races, a unified geth/quarian fleet, krogan, rachni, batarians, and others. Of course, this is if you go pure Paragon.

Yup, quite much talk about dying stars and dark energy and such.. probably something important

[Giantevilhead]

In order to turn Haestrom into a wormhole, there has to be a black hole on the Reaper's end.

[MaaZeus]

Not sure if someone mentioned this already, but why Sovereign wanted to open Citadels mass relay is quite obvious. I think this is even stated in the ME1 but I might remember wrong. Point is that Reapers can all appear out of nowhere without wasting energy and decimate the council, the very core of most civilized races. This will deliver a huge blow against organics, perhaps even causing a chaos amongst them. Easy prey if that happens. And once everyone realises what is going on, its too late and cycle of extinction has began again.

By traveling on FTL, they have to waste a LOT of energy and then start conquering the galaxy. Galaxy might be more united against them too I think.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 07 février 2010 - 08:15 .

[sbear3737]

Stars that form black holes/singularities do not form very stable nebulae as the singularity is quick to start drawing gas in and creating an active black hole with too much radiation for survival... Also there's no evidence that the current Citadel is built near or being powered by a singularity anyway. The nebula could perhaps be useful but why Haestrom? There are so many other nebulae already out there, just use one of those.

[Dark Gantros]

Giantevilhead wrote...

In order to turn Haestrom into a wormhole, there has to be a black hole on the Reaper's end.

Since the reapers created the mass relays, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say they could connect their end of the Citadel Relay to the singularity being created at Haestrom.

[DingoEffect]

Who's to say one of the Reapers isn't a Mass Relay itself?

[Hathur]

Who's to say the Reapers won't find another way to activate the citadel and let them through in me3? Fact is, we don't know how they'll reach the Milky Way... They tried to use the Citadel in ME1 cus it was the method they used just fine for countless ages prior to Shepard's existence... now that that plan is foiled, one can safely assume that this technogically superior near god-like species will find or devise a new method to reach the Milky Way.

[sbear3737]

DingoEffect wrote...

Who's to say one of the Reapers isn't a Mass Relay itself?

Well... because generally Mass Relays are HUGE compared to anything, even Reapers.

[sbear3737]

Dark Gantros wrote...

Giantevilhead wrote...

In order to turn Haestrom into a wormhole, there has to be a black hole on the Reaper's end.

Since the reapers created the mass relays, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say they could connect their end of the Citadel Relay to the singularity being created at Haestrom.

No but that's not how Mass Relays work...

[DingoEffect]

sbear3737 wrote...

DingoEffect wrote...

Who's to say one of the Reapers isn't a Mass Relay itself?

Well... because generally Mass Relays are HUGE compared to anything, even Reapers.

The one that was working on the Citadel was pretty small.

[genghis rob]

It would be easy to explain....do you honestly think super-intelligent machines would only have one entry point into their harvesting grounds?  I'm sure they have other failsafes and contingency plans...who knows, they probably have another massive mass relay hidden somewhere (for writers convenience they could stick it in Geth space)...or they could simply spring another Omega Relay type plot element (after all we didn't even know it existed in ME1)...and didn't the Red Omega Relay blast us out of our little cubbyhole and into the galactic core? so Im guessing that it carries ships a lot faster and a lot further than the regular relays (bet another red relay pops up in ME 3).

On the Shepard point, you could look at it two ways....one the humans as a race evolved to the point they could be a threat to the Reapers (they probably see the tenacity in Shepard and realize even if he's dead, there will be many more Shepards to come and bring about their downfall).....or they realize that Shepard's drive to end the Reapers is so great, that he'll stop at nothing to bring about their demise, so they mobilize to bring the fight to him.

[CuthbertTheAllgood]

All the reapers... are giant mass effect relays that go "swashswashswash" like a roflcopter. Therefor, they can teleport themselves to the citadel and shout "look at us!" but everyone is scared of them. The reapers get mad and kill everything. Sorry for spoilers.

Edit: I had only read the first few pages, didn't realize someone above me already used the idea that the reapers were mass effect relays... of course, I was kidding. They are serious.

Modifié par CuthbertTheAllgood, 07 février 2010 - 08:37 .

[sbear3737]

DingoEffect wrote...

sbear3737 wrote...

DingoEffect wrote...

Who's to say one of the Reapers isn't a Mass Relay itself?

Well... because generally Mass Relays are HUGE compared to anything, even Reapers.

The one that was working on the Citadel was pretty small.

Yes but I believe it was explained in-game that it was a mini-mass relay, incapable of transporting starships, but personnel only... It was the only mass relay actually constructed by the Protheans remember? Placed on the Citadel as a back door option.

[Draconis6666]

It is never once stated that the citadel relay is the only means the reapers have of returning the conversation with vigil really only points out the reasons why it would be their PRIMARY method, because the reapers have ensured that the citadel is the center of galactic civilization gaining access to it immediately gives them access to all kinds of information, military deployment, census data, colonization records, astrological surveys etc it makes the harvesting of the organic species faster and more efficient as the reapers know everything they need to to be at maximum efficiency

[genghis rob]

Like I said in my previous post.....they probably have another omega-type relay located in an obscure place...they'll just hit that relay and enter our space (yup, its writers convenience just like the omega relay)

[Giantevilhead]

The Reapers have to be able to fly back to the Milky Way. Otherwise, how did they get so far into dark space in the first place? They had to have flown there and they had to have brought enough material to construct a mass relay. It's just a question of how long it would take. Although, they can shorten the journey considerably by taking apart their mass relay, flying towards the Milky Way until they are within range of a regular mass relay. Then reconstruct their mass relay and use it to go into the galaxy. That would cut at least 10,000 to 20,000 light years off their journey.

[sbear3737]

that's.... kind of flawed, what about time for travel to get close to said relay? How long did it take to get out there in the first place? If they simply used ship FTL, and it took them say... 20k galactic years, why waste all that time to just suddenly turn around and spend another 20k to come back?

[scottie2687]

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[haildodge]

So ME is space opera, but I think "Reapers don't need mass relays" fits with the general trend of ME2 to be even softer on the science than ME1. Early on in ME2, you learn the Normandy has a quantum entanglement communicator and there is an effort to give it a scientific explanation. But then the collectors' space station turns out to be in the galactic core (which is completely superfluous to the plot, the collectors could simply have had some automated defense system on their side of the relay which requires the IFF). Then we find out the collectors are creating a Reaper out of organic pulp derived from humans. Maybe it all started with the need to rationalize the introduction of ammo.



I enjoy ME2 for what it is, and expect more of the same for ME3, even if the degree of plausibility remains lower than ME1.

[sbear3737]

well quantum entanglement is a proven physical concept, there are already studies into using it for communication and data transfer.

scottie2687 wrote...

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care to elaborate your superior stance and opinion?

[Fishy]

Harbringer told Shepard that they will find another way .. and i doubt the *other* way it's simply traveling inside the galaxy .


Also someone said that they can travel with ftl ... well .. If they're very close (Like 100,000 light years) from the galaxy that would take only 2500 years .But than FTL require resource .. and there's none in  dark space.It's the emptyness.They go in sleepmode for a reason.Because when they're awake...That mean using resource and they don't have unlimited resource.

Also why  not travel and wait for shepard to die ? Simple .Because they can't .Even if they could travel for 25,000 years ( only 1 millions light years away from the mw) . By the time they get here. Every species will have evolved a lot and they might get their ass kicked.

I don't think the reaper evolve . That probably why they wipe every organic species each 50,000 Years

[cronshaw8]

The reapers are not flying all the way to the milky way. They have all just re-activated. Sovereign failed; the collectors failed. They are pissed and instituting plan C. Before this they were in a state of hibernation to conserve resources, but they can afford to wait no longer. The original plan was to use a Relay to conquer the galaxy. On one end is the Citadel. The other end is in dark space. The relays work by flying next to them. Since no relay is show in the final ME2 scene it is logical to assume that is where the Reapers are going. How they will get through is what we will find out.

Modifié par cronshaw8, 07 février 2010 - 09:29 .

[jimmyjoefro]

Giantevilhead wrote...

In order to turn Haestrom into a wormhole, there has to be a black hole on the Reaper's end.

I don't think it's ever said that black holes = wormholes.