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[wbaron]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

wbaron wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

Did you see what 1 reaper did to the nearly combined might of the galaxy?  What would the result of the attack been if he brought a buddy?   Now multiply that attack by 10's of thousands...

Combined might of 1 fleet there are allot more and it take more then 1 reaper to harvest every planet in the galaxy specially with out having data were every colony was, You people think WAY to small the citadel was more then just a back door it was the galaxy hub if information’s anything and everything that is known goes threw there one way or another. To quote many people in this game even VIGIAL" Information is power".


Sorvegin job was to take a hold of the citadel open the back door lock out the mass relays and dispense the information gather on the citadel.

Did you see the end of ME2?  Why bother with this 1 ship attack?  If such an important mission, where were the Reaper slaves/allies?

[Jake71887]

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

Perspective is a hell of a thing, so unless you know exactly how far out they are, you can't assume that they're right at the edge, or billions of light years away.. 

[Internet Kraken]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Actually, why don't the Reapers just wait for Shepard to die of natural causes?

some people are stronger in death than in life.

we tend to call them heroes.

the post-humous impact that true heroes have on society is much more powerful that that person would have had with a gun in his/her hand while alive.


it would be in the reapers best interest to destroy the image of the hero while he/she is still alive to crush any possibility of hope in mankind.

True, but if they didn't do anything during Shepard's life then no one would believe him about the Reapers. Even if Shepard did recruit an army, they would all abandon him after they saw no Reaper activity whatsoever. Everyone would think that he really was crazy.

[GnusmasTHX]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Also why do we assume Sovergin went back with the rest of the reapers? What if they all way leave one behind just out of site of the galaxy to wait to slowly come back in when the time right.

That's exactly what Sovereign does.

[marshalleck]

Jake71887 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

Perspective is a hell of a thing, so unless you know exactly how far out they are, you can't assume that they're right at the edge, or billions of light years away.. 

I haven't done the math, but we know the galaxy is roughly 100,000 light years across. The best info regarding the average size of a Reaper is 2 km long from tentacle to tail. It should be possible to estimate how far they are from the galaxy based on those numbers and relative size on the screen.

Modifié par marshalleck, 07 février 2010 - 04:18 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

Also why do we assume Sovergin went back with the rest of the reapers? What if they all way leave one behind just out of site of the galaxy to wait to slowly come back in when the time right.

Sovereign was sent ahead as a vanguard.  Presumably, he calculated the time needed to arrive and arrived when he wanted to.

[KalosCast]

"We will find another way" -Harbinger

They will find another way

Or activate their faster than plot drives and attack right before you've made preparations.

Modifié par KalosCast, 07 février 2010 - 04:19 .

[Schneidend]

wbaron wrote...


Did you see what 1 reaper did to the nearly combined might of the galaxy?  What would the result of the attack been if he brought a buddy?   Now multiply that attack by 10's of thousands...

Let's not forget that the the Collectors and (some) Geth are also working for the reapers and they were notable absent in this 'critical' attack....

Well, the Citadel fleet doesn't represent even a small fraction of the entire combined turian and asari military forces. The Citadel fleet is just a single fleet of ships that protect the Citadel. Who told you that a handful of cruisers were all they had? They weren't even any dreadnaughts in that battle aside from the Destiny Ascension and Sovereign himself.

[Jake71887]

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

Perspective is a hell of a thing, so unless you know exactly how far out they are, you can't assume that they're right at the edge, or billions of light years away.. 

I haven't done the math, but we know the galaxy is roughly 100,000 light years across. The best info regarding the average size of a Reaper is 2 km long from tentacle to tail. It should be possible to estimate how far they are from the galaxy based on those numbers and relative size on the screen.

Except that the scene is meant to be cinematic and not mathematic. <_<

[wbaron]

Jake71887 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

Perspective is a hell of a thing, so unless you know exactly how far out they are, you can't assume that they're right at the edge, or billions of light years away.. 

Ok.  So either the are an imminent thread making the events of ME1 ludicrously illogical since they gave the galaxy such a huge warning when they didn't need/plan to, or they are billions of light years away making ME1 the only game necessary.

[VettoRyouzou]

I'm going to leave it at this point.



It a ****ing game, stop treating like any of this **** needs to be fact.

[The Capital Gaultier]

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

Perspective is a hell of a thing, so unless you know exactly how far out they are, you can't assume that they're right at the edge, or billions of light years away.. 

I haven't done the math, but we know the galaxy is roughly 100,000 light years across. The best info regarding the average size of a Reaper is 2 km long from tentacle to tail. It should be possible to estimate how far they are from the galaxy based on those numbers and relative size on the screen.

Now that is ridiculous.  It's a damned game.  It's a dramatic perspective.  It's the writer's fiat how far away the Reapers actually are.  Apparently, they're intended to be relatively close.  Regardless, I doubt that they won't figure into ME3.

[Jake71887]

wbaron wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

They're just out past the edge of the galaxy.. it's reasonable to assume that they have relays out at the edge systems... That and you don't know how far into dark space they are.

Look at the last scene of the game. They aren't just on the edge of the galaxy unless the galaxy is only a few kilometers across.

Perspective is a hell of a thing, so unless you know exactly how far out they are, you can't assume that they're right at the edge, or billions of light years away.. 

Ok.  So either the are an imminent thread making the events of ME1 ludicrously illogical since they gave the galaxy such a huge warning when they didn't need/plan to, or they are billions of light years away making ME1 the only game necessary.

And anywhere in between! 

[marshalleck]

VettoRyouzou wrote...

I'm going to leave it at this point.

It a ****ing game, stop treating like any of this **** needs to be fact.

I'm just questioning the fridge logic of assuming they are travelling back at FTL.

Personally I think they're hatching another scheme to relay into the galaxy. That solves the problem.

[GnusmasTHX]

KalosCast wrote...

"We will find another way" -Harbinger

They will find another way

Or activate their faster than plot drives and attack right before you've made preparations.

They can borrow Inertialess Drivers from the Necrons.

Get there in no time, and there'd be some sort of pseudo-scientific explanation.

I imagine the Reapers are somewhat 'hungry' after their nap, and would have to cannibalize each other.

[E96 B]

I thought it was implied that they'd already been flying toward the galaxy for the last two years anyway.

[wbaron]

Schneidend wrote...

Well, the Citadel fleet doesn't represent even a small fraction of the entire combined turian and asari military forces. The Citadel fleet is just a single fleet of ships that protect the Citadel. Who told you that a handful of cruisers were all they had? They weren't even any dreadnaughts in that battle aside from the Destiny Ascension and Sovereign himself.

Who told you of the fraction of the fleet size defending the Citadel or the total size of the asari and turian combined might?

[Tychu9]

Randy1083 wrote...

Basic FTL does exist in Mass Effect, but you can only travel about a dozen light years in one day. That's why the mass relays are so invaluable. So unless the Reapers find another way to unlock the Citadel Relay or unless they had some other backup plan stashed somewhere, it's still going to take them a while to return from dark space.

They actually travel more than 17,987,547,480 meters per minute.  FTL = Faster than Light (speed).  They are traveling rather fast.

The reason why the galaxy uses mass relays instead of just jumping through FTL is the same reason why you need a Nav Computer in Star Wars.  You don't want to jump into a planet or star.  The Mass relays take you on a safe route and are rather like StarGates

[GnusmasTHX]

Tychu9 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Basic FTL does exist in Mass Effect, but you can only travel about a dozen light years in one day. That's why the mass relays are so invaluable. So unless the Reapers find another way to unlock the Citadel Relay or unless they had some other backup plan stashed somewhere, it's still going to take them a while to return from dark space.

They actually travel more than 17,987,547,480 meters per minute.  FTL = Faster than Light (speed).  They are traveling rather fast.

The reason why the galaxy uses mass relays instead of just jumping through FTL is the same reason why you need a Nav Computer in Star Wars.  You don't want to jump into a planet or star.  The Mass relays take you on a safe route and are rather like StarGates

And they're exponentially faster (near instantaneous), and require a lot less 'fuel'. (Possibly none)

[wbaron]

It was my understanding that mass relays were near instantaneous. That's faster than FTL, right?
-edit, beaten by GnusmasTHX

Modifié par wbaron, 07 février 2010 - 04:25 .

[Randy1012]

Tychu9 wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Basic FTL does exist in Mass Effect, but you can only travel about a dozen light years in one day. That's why the mass relays are so invaluable. So unless the Reapers find another way to unlock the Citadel Relay or unless they had some other backup plan stashed somewhere, it's still going to take them a while to return from dark space.

They actually travel more than 17,987,547,480 meters per minute.  FTL = Faster than Light (speed).  They are traveling rather fast.

Yes, I'm aware of the acronym, and the speed. It says in the Codex that conventional FTL drives can only take a ship about a dozen light years in a day, whereas traveling through mass relays is almost instantaenous.

Modifié par Randy1083, 07 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Internet Kraken wrote...

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

Actually, why don't the Reapers just wait for Shepard to die of natural causes?

some people are stronger in death than in life.

we tend to call them heroes.

the post-humous impact that true heroes have on society is much more powerful that that person would have had with a gun in his/her hand while alive.


it would be in the reapers best interest to destroy the image of the hero while he/she is still alive to crush any possibility of hope in mankind.

True, but if they didn't do anything during Shepard's life then no one would believe him about the Reapers. Even if Shepard did recruit an army, they would all abandon him after they saw no Reaper activity whatsoever. Everyone would think that he really was crazy.

same could be said about Jesus. i guess the reapers might have to wait longer than 2000 years or more

[somebody99000]

@Tychu9: Plus, the relays let you go faster than any known FTL drive (since they're fixed structures and can put more effort into it) and avoid the whole charge build up thing that makes it very difficult to FTL more than a few light years.

[SunfighterG8]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

VettoRyouzou wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

Again very simple it allot easier to wipe out a whole race when you have access to all there data as well as kill the head of government also the Citadel is the tool used to deactivate the other mass relays. It was more then just a fing back door.

I didn't ask why they want the Citadel. I asked why Sovereign would attack it on his own when he could have just waited for them to arrive by conventional means and launch a coordinated attack.

I understand very well the response "a wizard did it." That solves a tech problem, but creates a logical problem. Why didn't they just do this in the first place?

The whole point of using the Citadel is so they DON'T have to arrive by conventional means.

They never said that, Vigil just said it connects to dark space, he didnt say it was the only gate that connects to dark space. The reason why they want to take the citadel first is its the most efficent means of taking down their prey, as they will have charts on each developed region as well as cutting off the head of the government, the only other boon is that its implied that the citadel controls the gate network therefore they can cut off each sector and deal with them one at a time....

but nowhere did they EVER say it was the only gate into dark space.

[John Forseti]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Oh, this thread again.

Someone answer me this: if they could get here in a reasonable time frame using FTL, why would Sovereign risk exposing their plan by repeatedly orchestrating attacks on the Citadel for the last 2000 years?

You miss the whole point of the Reaper attacks.  The Reapers are farmers, not warriors.  They've perfected a strategy based on superior technology and piggybacking, and they don't show much real creativity outside of the plan.  If they come back to a militant universe on the defensive, the Reapers have a much more difficult fight that they aren't guaranteed to win.  Like any good predator, they want to win quickly and painlessly.  The Citadel plan is essential to their own survival.

If they're close enough to just fly right into the galaxy why don't they just fly to the closest in-galaxy Mass Relay and then launch a surprise assault on the citadel and take control of the network that way? No one even suspected of their existence until the whole Saren business, so if the whole lot of 'em showed up out of the blue one day it wouldn't be much of a fight for them.