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[kenshindono]

i quit playing this game a few weeks after i got it because of all the irritating bugs. The dex bug, the dead bodies being registered as corpses bug, talent, bugs, ect. The game was too broken for me. Now months later i come to see if its been patched so i can try playing it again.. and it seems there is  a patch when when i log onto the game. I try searching online but cant really find any info on what it did. All i see is mention of some achievment bug fix that caused a problem and got patched again

what about the actual bugs in the game?! Have any of these been fixed for the 360 yet? its been 3 months since the game came out. I find it hard to belive this garbage hasn't been fixed.

I see a thread below about the dex bug being fixed and skimmed it but it seems that that bug hasn't been adressed yet. Is this true?

good god. I havent got mass effect 2 yet because i was very disapointed with how glitchy and almost broken DAO was. I loved ME1 but was conccerned 2 would be the same quality as this shoddy release. If they havent got this game straightned out yet i may just take a pass on ME2.

anyone know whats going on? Have any actual bugs been fixed/adressed for the 360, or will they be soon? Its been 3 months and at this point im losing hope. Im considering just shelving this thing for good

[danien.grey]

http://social.biowar...page/da-patches

[kenshindono]

isn't that the PC patch? or is that what i downloaded for the 360?



because that one specifically says it fixes the dex bug, and i thought that wasn't fixed on the 360

[Latharion]

Well, if you count fixing the achievements that were malfunctioning on the day 1 release (but subsequently fixed for anyone who played the game after day 1), and fixing the newly introduced specialization loss bug, then yes, it does. If not, then no it doesn't fix the save corruption, the dexterity modifier bug, or any of a plethora of other known nasty bugs.

To the original poster, I'd view the Xbox 360 version of DA:O in a very different light from ME2.  ME2 was developed and coded by Bioware.  DA:O for the Xbox 360 was ported to it from the PC by a third party developer, thus BioWare doesn't really have direct control over what has been done (or for that matter what will be done) to fix it.  ME2 is a great game and should be a much better reflection of how BioWare is currently supporting a game (which is sad because DA:O should be receiving the same treatment regardless of who ported it).

Modifié par Latharion, 07 février 2010 - 06:46 .

[switzki]

Latharion wrote...
DA:O for the Xbox 360 was ported to it from the PC by a third party developer, thus BioWare doesn't really have direct control over what has been done (or for that matter what will be done) to fix it.

That's true, but that's a quibble that consumers don't care about, and why should they? On my collector's edition, at least, the external packaging shows two companies only: EA (the publisher) and BioWare (the developer). I personally had no idea that BioWare wasn't developing the Xbox version themselves until I opened the game and saw Edge of Reality's name on the manual. I'm sure some people didn't even notice that detail and have no idea that a third party is even involved. They simply see severe game issues with no correction in three months, which reflects poorly on BioWare (even if their hands are tied).

[Drayvenn]

I was also not aware that a third party had ported this to the 360 and although it explains a whole lot about why it has taken so long to address issues and why there are so many issues in the first place it still does not absolve Bioware of its responsibilities.

If I design and build a house but hire a team to work on the basement it is still my responsibility if they screwed up and caused the foundation to crack or the house to be flooded. My clients can still use the house, but that is not what they paid for.

I have said it before but I do not believe that asking for a game to behave the way the MANUAL says it should is asking too much.

[13Dannyboy13]

Drayvenn wrote...

I was also not aware that a third party had ported this to the 360 and although it explains a whole lot about why it has taken so long to address issues and why there are so many issues in the first place it still does not absolve Bioware of its responsibilities.
If I design and build a house but hire a team to work on the basement it is still my responsibility if they screwed up and caused the foundation to crack or the house to be flooded. My clients can still use the house, but that is not what they paid for.
I have said it before but I do not believe that asking for a game to behave the way the MANUAL says it should is asking too much.

I agree completely, third party or not, it's been 3 months and the major bugs have not been addressed at all and no word on when (if) they will be. I would think that Bioware would be more active in dealing with these bugs since most people will blame them regardless of the third party developers. The game itself is great and I'm willing to get the expansion as long as these bugs are fixed by then, if not guess I'll trade it in while it's worth something still.

[Nobody Important]

I am wondering too. We still haven't got anything fixed. It is pretty sad too considering this is the highest selling version of the 3.

[Mabari Owns High Dragon]

I think this game is amazing and I really want to play through the game as a Rogue. Thanks to the glitch, however, I'm busy playing Fallout 3 while I wait for a patch...

[13Dannyboy13]

Dex Rogue would be nice to play, until they fix it though a cunning rogue isn't bad with assassin/bard specs. I know daggers are fast but they rely on dex so I used dual axes with my cunning rogue and kicked some serious ass with the right runes. Haven't played Fallout 3 for a while sounds like a good idea

[Latharion]

switzki wrote...

Latharion wrote...
DA:O for the Xbox 360 was ported to it from the PC by a third party developer, thus BioWare doesn't really have direct control over what has been done (or for that matter what will be done) to fix it.

That's true, but that's a quibble that consumers don't care about, and why should they? On my collector's edition, at least, the external packaging shows two companies only: EA (the publisher) and BioWare (the developer). I personally had no idea that BioWare wasn't developing the Xbox version themselves until I opened the game and saw Edge of Reality's name on the manual. I'm sure some people didn't even notice that detail and have no idea that a third party is even involved. They simply see severe game issues with no correction in three months, which reflects poorly on BioWare (even if their hands are tied).

You'll get no argument from me about that for sure!  Although EA may have used strongarm tactics to force a port of a game that was never designed for a console, BioWare should (if they cared at all) at least acknowledge the issues and give some sort of update or plausible reason for the delay in a functional patch.  I do realize that investors do exhert a certain amount of sway concerning this and that may be the main reason for the lack of information, but the question is really ethics vs profit.  Baaah.  Whatever.

[kenshindono]

wow thnx for the info. I too didn't really realize that bioware didn't do the 360 version. Still, Its their game and as pointed out the packaging doesn't even mention them at all. IMO this is a bioware game and reflects very poorly on the company



I agree with Lath. Its still Biowares responsibility to maintain some form of quality on games bearing their name. I dont know how much EA contributed to this, and this is one of the reasons i hate the company. I had actually vowed to never buy an EA game and was gonna break that rule for ME2 but did it for this first.. bad experience. I may just keep the policy and skip ME2 which sucks since i loved the first one so much.



I dont believe in supporting companies that put out such shoddy products like Bioware in this case, or have really crappy policies in place, ala EA. I cant stand the way EA handles games it publishes. Their online system is so terrible. Not to mention how crappy they are for the industry



put that combo together and you wind up with this i guess.



I really dont know what to do. I planned on wrapping this up now and then replaying ME1 then picking up ME2. I really thought over 3 months later there would be patch. I dont know if i should wait a bit longer or if theyre just never gonna bother





im a bit confused. Is the patch here:

http://social.biowar...page/da-patches



applicable to the 360 or not? This seems to indicate some of the stuff has been fixed but i heard all they've patched for the 360 is an achievement glitch. Can someone clarify this for me? Do we just have a stupid achievement fix or the stuff listed there? If its just the achievment fix what do you guys think? Should i give it a few more weeks or just say screw it and shelve this game and forget about ME2 and Bioware altogether?

[13Dannyboy13]

I agree that Bioware is partly responsible since it's their name on the box but I blame EA even more, EA is like the Wal-mart of the game industry, taking over or forcing out of business the smaller companies. Support has been terrible for this game it's obvious that money is all that matters and they will just keep pumping out games and DLC to get it.



As for patches, sadly all we have for the 360 is the achievement one which honestly I could care less about because there are far more pressing bugs/glitches that should be dealt with first. I'd rather wait for achievement patches while getting the corruption issue or dex bug fixed first.



I ended up caving and buying ME2 which is a good game, a lot less buggy but has the smallest text you could imagine. EA/Biowares repsonse is basicly that it was a design choice and have no intention of fixing it even though half of gamers still play on SD televisions. The lack of support or even caring about issues seems to be the way that these games will be now so ME2 is most likely the last EA/Bioware game I will buy. Hate to say it, but next time I'll just use the money to upgrade my pc and download it for free, if they don't want to support us with fixes to major bugs, why should I spend my hard earned money to support their behavior.

[Windfall44]

The funny thing is, when they "fixed" the achievement problem, they created another, arguably greater, bug--the specializations that you unlock in one game are forever unlocked for all future characters.



I am not part of the group of people who get off on their Gamerscore. Honestly, achievements are cool when I get them, but given the choice of having achievements vs. having a game run properly, I'd say there is no choice about it. Give me a good game first. Give me Dragon Age: Origins in working order, and I'll happily spend $60 on Bioware's new products.



The reason the community is upset by DA:O's bugs is because we KNOW that the game is fundamentally really good, and we want to play it. We want to buy additional content. We want to support the people who give us such toys. But when those toys don't work properly, we have to live with the "no refunds" policy that separates video games from almost any other product on the market. And that sucks.

[BigJayhawk]

So what is the answer ... that's the worst part. Trying to follow threads and track down the infrequent comments by Bioware staff. With all the twists and turns I'm lost on the truth ... I guess it's safe to assume the truth is no patch past the current one for the 360?

[13Dannyboy13]

BigJayhawk wrote...

So what is the answer ... that's the worst part. Trying to follow threads and track down the infrequent comments by Bioware staff. With all the twists and turns I'm lost on the truth ... I guess it's safe to assume the truth is no patch past the current one for the 360?

Yeah, just the current one that fixed the achievements, still no word on anything else. 

[MEMANIAsama]

Does Edge of Reality have a forum where we can **** and complain?

Modifié par MEMANIAsama, 11 février 2010 - 08:20 .

[Jax Sparrow]

People admit that BioWare's hands are tied and that the 360 is not their fault but still hold them responsible? That is like a woman telling a man "If you don't already know, I'm not going to tell you" Patently ridiculous... We have no real way of knowing 'what' if anything BioWare can do to encourage EoR to fix the code. In absence of any real evidence I point to the PC version of the game and how BioWare treats it as a good judge of how 'serious' they take supporting their games. If you are really that hung up about it buy a real P.C. instead of the pretend P.C./360.

[Taiko Roshi]

On the back of my CE it says, and I quote, "Contains the full version of DA:O". Now correct me if I am wrong, but the DEX bug means that I do not have the full version of the game.

If you look at the back of the game cover Edge of Reality is there, but for those who bought the CE it is not on the cover box. However, if you look on page 31 of the manual you will find that there a two console teams listed. The BW team and the Edge team, so BW did have input into porting this game.

In absence of any real evidence I point to the PC version of the game and how BioWare treats it as a good judge of how 'serious' they take supporting their games. If you are really that hung up about it buy a real P.C. instead of the pretend P.C./360.

Nice troll. Go have a look at the sales numbers, more people are playing this title on the xbox then they are on the PC.

I dare say that BW surely has to patch the major bugs for this game before the expansion. IF they do not and the 360 expansion sells well, I very much doubt they will do anything to support this game. If people are still willing to pay money for an expansion despite the bugs then why would BW outlay the expenses to fix it? It will be very interesting to see the sales numbers of the xbox expansion. While I wish BW all the best, I hope they are dramatically down, and hopefully this might give BW the incentive needed to support this game properly.

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 11 février 2010 - 11:40 .

[Thaladius]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

I agree that Bioware is partly responsible since it's their name on the box but I blame EA even more, EA is like the Wal-mart of the game industry, taking over or forcing out of business the smaller companies. Support has been terrible for this game it's obvious that money is all that matters and they will just keep pumping out games and DLC to get it.

Although EA has a history of this, Activision is so much worse. Have you played Modern Warfare 2 yet? So many bugs and multiplayer glitches have been neglected by them and Infinity Ward while Activision continues to expidite money off of avid Call of Duty fans.  

Its a pity that Dragon Age is in the state its in, but with enough support we'll all heard. Continue to fight the good fight against poor development and support!

Modifié par Thaladius, 12 février 2010 - 08:54 .

[switzki]

Jax Sparrow wrote...
People admit that BioWare's hands are tied and that the 360 is not their fault but still hold them responsible? That is like a woman telling a man "If you don't already know, I'm not going to tell you" Patently ridiculous...

Um, no. It's more like holding a contractor responsible for the work of his subcontractors. In fact, it's so much like that as to be indistinguishable. I don't fault BioWare for using subcontractors to do the port, but they cannot be absolved of responsibility if there are flaws in the subcontractors' work.

The problem is not that bugs exist--in a game this large and complex, I'd be surprised if everything were flawless at release for any platform--it's that none of the various companies whose branding is paraded in my face every time I start up the game has stepped up and said "we are aware of the following bugs and we are working on a solution". Instead it seems like they're more concerned about who's at fault. BioWare says to contact EA Support for game issues. EA Support says they're not developers and can't fix anything. The tech support forums are fan-driven and unofficial, and fans can't deploy a patch. Edge of Reality doesn't have a presence in any of those arenas. It's the impression of buck passing that annoys many players, I think. I don't envy Victor.

Jax Sparrow wrote...
In absence of any real evidence I point to the PC version of the game and how BioWare treats it as a good judge of how 'serious' they take supporting their game.

The lack of a substantive title update in the three months since release is real evidence. At this point, we don't even have confirmation that the serious issues (achievement point totals are pretty minor compared to memory leakage and save corruption) will get fixed at all. This level of support is confusing for a game with a 2+ year plan for DLC. Why would anyone pay for more content if the base game hasn't been corrected?

If we were still within the first couple of weeks of release, then I would be inclined to share the sentiment that people need to calm down and let BioWare get things sorted. Three months, though, seems like plenty of time to compile a list of known bugs and decide which will be fixed. Perhaps this has been done and just hasn't been made public.

Jax Sparrow wrote...
If you are really that hung up about it buy a real P.C. instead of the pretend P.C.

And if the situation were reversed, and we replaced "PC" with "console", you'd find this observation sensible, I take it? I mean, some PC users waited five whole minutes before wailing about being ignored when Return to Ostagar was deployed on XBL...

Taiko Roshi wrote...
I dare say that BW surely has to patch the major bugs for this game before the expansion. IF they do not and the 360 expansion sells well, I very much doubt they will do anything to support this game.

Actually, I'm beginning to think that the bug fixes are going to get rolled into the expansion. Regardless of who is doing the Xbox 360 coding for Awakenings, it might be easier to add bug fixes from the base game to the scope of work than to set up a separate contract for a title update in the interim.

Modifié par switzki, 13 février 2010 - 01:10 .

[dandestroyer]

i just bought dao and have been having a lot of problems with it already, including the game corrupting my gamer profile... if they dont fix this i think ill have to pass on any bioware releases.