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[masterp1975]

Cutlass Jack wrote...


Of course the number of people who aren't Tali fans are going to outnumber the ones who are. But they aren't agreed on any single other character. As even the most casual perusal of these boards should indicate pretty plainly.

That's the best point I've noticed on this topic when it comes up.

[Dave of Canada]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I notice all the people who insist Tali isn't the most popular character don't mention who is. Tali is the most likable character in both games, so of course she's going to have popularity.

Of course the number of people who aren't Tali fans are going to outnumber the ones who are. But they aren't agreed on any single other character. As even the most casual perusal of these boards should indicate pretty plainly.

Boards =/= Majority.

You're seeing a very vocal group going on about how amazing Tali is, I remember browsing through the "TALI LOVE" threads and seeing the same 4-5 people bickering over how Tali was amazing making it reach amazing page lengths.

I didn't like Tali in the first one and didn't mind her in the second one, but this entire Tali hysteria didn't start until ME2 became the craze.

[Collider]

There's no way to tell for certain who the most popular character is. The best way to get an impression of who is popular is from fan feedback, which seems to primarily accessed through the internet. It is - fan feedback - the reason why Tali is a romance option in the first place. Bioware originally considered Tali as a romance option in ME1 but decided not to reasoning that no one would like a completely suited girl with "chicken" feet, weird legs, and three fingers. They were surprised about how popular Tali was, especially among the male crowd, and decided to make her an option in ME2, to much praise.

The feedback option while playing ME2 while connected to live probably helps Bioware collect data on who is popular too as well. If I had to say, the data gained from that would have Miranda, Tali, and Jack as the most popular romance options, in that order.

Modifié par Collider, 07 février 2010 - 07:06 .

[Snowraptor]

mcvxiii wrote...

If you glance over the Tali threads you will notice that it is mostly the same individuals posting over and over again. Personally I don't think her fan base is all that big or grew they are just a very... dedicated group.

im sure its the same five people

[Xerxes52]

I like Tali, but she needs an SMG. AI allies just seem to obliterate people with that weapon class.

[fortunesque]

Lord Atlia wrote...



Oh, sorry, didn't mean to sound so arrogant.  I've seen a lot of data on this site showing Tali as one of the more popular characters.  Other sites surveys may show differently.  In which case we could combine surveys and get a more accurate view on where the population stands.  A lot of people just say Tali isn't popular to the casual gamer but don't provide a measurable reference to back up their claim.

I didn't think you sounded arrogant
I think that because the polls on this site are designed by the users, they don't give an accurate representation of data.
Example: ___ makes a poll about character x. They post in the character x's fan group that they made a poll and they'd love to have people vote.
Likewise, the stuff on other sites is probably similar. I've been surprised though at some of the characters that weren't popular and others that increased in popularity since ME2 came out.

[Unshkblefaith]

I feel that Tali is one of the few real characters in the game. Seriously, who knows a Jack or Miranda IRL. But Tali's character seems like an evolution of the awkward relationships of the high school years (always stammering for the right words when she would be right regardless of what she says).

[Internet Kraken]

Lord Atlia wrote...

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to sound so arrogant.  I've seen a lot of data on this site showing Tali as one of the more popular characters.  Other sites surveys may show differently.  In which case we could combine surveys and get a more accurate view on where the population stands.  A lot of people just say Tali isn't popular to the casual gamer but don't provide a measurable reference to back up their claim.

www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.159708-Poll-Favorite-Mass-Effect-Party-Member#4020795

As you can see, Wrex tends to dominate those threads on the Escapist. Tali is popular, but not as popular as she appears to be here.

[77boy84]

Unshkblefaith wrote...

I feel that Tali is one of the few real characters in the game. Seriously, who knows a Jack or Miranda IRL. But Tali's character seems like an evolution of the awkward relationships of the high school years (always stammering for the right words when she would be right regardless of what she says).

I've actually seen a decent amount of people claim to have known people that act like Jack.

[Dave of Canada]

Unshkblefaith wrote...

Seriously, who knows a Jack

I know a Jack IRL, a girl who tries to act tough and beats people up to act tough. Although her name isn't Jack.

Nor can she make giant waves of magic powers come out of her hands.

[EDarkness]

trigger2kill1 wrote...

For the same reason that the Sports illistrated swim suit edition was so popular in the 70's
That mixed with a liberal amount of no-life thrown in to boot!
The long of the short of it is they are 12 years old or freaks.

It's quotes like this that tell me that people who hate the people who like Tali are just as bad.  I like Tali as a character, but I'd never go around calling people names who liked another character.  This kind of hate really needs to stop.

[fortunesque]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I notice all the people who insist Tali isn't the most popular character don't mention who is. Tali is the most likable character in both games, so of course she's going to have popularity.
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There's no telling who the most popular character is. Simply put, there's insufficient data on the matter. As far as saying Tali is the most likeable character in both games, that's a matter of opinion that cannot be put in if one is trying to go on strict numbers.

[SharpEdgeSoda]

Randy1083 wrote...

SharpEdgeSoda wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

SharpEdgeSoda wrote...

Ash appeals very strongly to a very specific crowd, some would say too specific (yet that makes her only more appealing to me)

Erm, exactly what sort of crowd would that be?

Me, a man who believes in God, has a large family, believes in conservative values and strives for independence, but not nessacarily isolation. If humanity needs the Council to function then that does, in fact, give them absolute power over us. We need to cooperate, not prostrate ourselves before them just for a little more politcal power.

And, and if you think she is racist, you are wrong.

Ah. I'm just wondering, because I'm a liberal agnostic who believes in very progressive values and thinks that mutual cooperation between all species, with none dominating the others, is the best road towards success, but Ashley still appealed to me a very great deal. I guess I'm just weird.

I can't tell if your smily means sarcasm but I never said humanity needs to dominate others. Trade and  mutual cooperation is encouraged, just not dependence. There is a thin line between being an ally and a vassal.

[Lord Atlia]

Just to reiterate my view point looking over other posts, I am not saying Tali is the most popular, I am saying she is one of the more popular characters. If you were to write out your top 10 favorites from ME2 what I've seen and this may be different elsewhere, Tali is more likely to appear in the top 5 than the bottom 5.

Edited for grammer

Modifié par Lord Atlia, 07 février 2010 - 07:18 .

[mcvxiii]

Lord Atlia wrote...
I've seen a lot of data on this site showing Tali as one of the more popular characters.  Other sites surveys may show differently.  In which case we could combine surveys and get a more accurate view on where the population stands.  A lot of people just say Tali isn't popular to the casual gamer but don't provide a measurable reference to back up their claim.

What exactly does casual gamer have to do with this? I am not following your arguement or exactly what you are trying to say. Where is this data on this site showing that Tali is one of the more popular characters? I looked, all be it breifly, and couldn't find anything about it.

Internet surveys are flawed as groups can can bomb the survey to influence the outcome and most people never answer internet survey questions anyway. Internet surveys are never taken seriously. Give me survey numbers conducted by an impartial source that the survey was conducted with ramdom Mass Effect game owners then I will believe something you are saying but so far you are talking out your arse.

[Randy1012]

SharpEdgeSoda wrote...

I can't tell if your smily means
sarcasm but I never said humanity needs to dominate others. Trade and 
mutual cooperation is encouraged, just not dependence. There is a thin
line between being an ally and a vassal.

Nope, no sarcasm. The smiley was only regarding my "I guess I'm weird" statement because you implied that Ashley only appealed to people who tend to have more conservative values.

As for humanity dominating other races, I didn't mean to suggest that that was what you meant, I meant that I don't think the Council should dominate humanity (or the elcor, or the volus, or the hanar, etc.), but that all species should work together for the betterment of all. Sort of like the Federation in Star Trek, except less boring and with better outfits.

Modifié par Randy1083, 07 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[Cutlass Jack]

fortunesque wrote...

There's no telling who the most popular character is. Simply put, there's insufficient data on the matter. As far as saying Tali is the most likeable character in both games, that's a matter of opinion that cannot be put in if one is trying to go on strict numbers.

No I stand by the Likeability factor. She's the consistently nicest, most likeable squadmate in both games who always stands by your character no matter what. Key word here is 'consistent.' Liara is very likable in ME1, but not as much in ME2, for example.

Tali's personality is so affectionate that many people at the very least get 'kid sister' feelings for her, even if they don't care for her romantically. Because of her huge likability factor over two games, she's going to have some popularity.

Most other characters in this series suffer from greater polarization of opinions than Tali. Most anti-tali posters here seem to hate the fans more than the character herself. Just an observation.

[Lord Atlia]

mcvxiii wrote...

Lord Atlia wrote...
I've seen a lot of data on this site showing Tali as one of the more popular characters.  Other sites surveys may show differently.  In which case we could combine surveys and get a more accurate view on where the population stands.  A lot of people just say Tali isn't popular to the casual gamer but don't provide a measurable reference to back up their claim.

What exactly does casual gamer have to do with this? I am not following your arguement or exactly what you are trying to say. Where is this data on this site showing that Tali is one of the more popular characters? I looked, all be it breifly, and couldn't find anything about it.

Internet surveys are flawed as groups can can bomb the survey to influence the outcome and most people never answer internet survey questions anyway. Internet surveys are never taken seriously. Give me survey numbers conducted by an impartial source that the survey was conducted with ramdom Mass Effect game owners then I will believe something you are saying but so far you are talking out your arse.

Sorry, I retract my statement and would like to point out that arguing things like who are the best and worst characters is hard because there is very little useable data.  A lot of people just draw lines like Miranda is attractive and designed to appeal to the casual crowd therefore she must appeal to the casual crowd which isn't always the case.  Really as someone stated above (don't remember who) only Bioware's marketing department has anything good to work with.

[BigKahuna25]

its cause of DEM HIPS lol

[Dave of Canada]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

There's no telling who the most popular character is. Simply put, there's insufficient data on the matter. As far as saying Tali is the most likeable character in both games, that's a matter of opinion that cannot be put in if one is trying to go on strict numbers.

No I stand by the Likeability factor. She's the consistently nicest, most likeable squadmate in both games who always stands by your character no matter what. Key word here is 'consistent.' Liara is very likable in ME1, but not as much in ME2, for example.

Tali's personality is so affectionate that many people at the very least get 'kid sister' feelings for her, even if they don't care for her romantically. Because of her huge likability factor over two games, she's going to have some popularity.

Most other characters in this series suffer from greater polarization of opinions than Tali. Most anti-tali posters here seem to hate the fans more than the character herself. Just an observation.

I won't lie, Tali fans creep me out.

[Collider]

It's true, internet surveys don't give the full picture. The majority of ME2 players probably haven't even registered on the Bioware forums, much less posted or voted in a poll. Internet surveys are just - surveying internet users. Internet users who both see the poll in the first place and vote in it. Plus you have the possibility of skewing the results with programs or whatever (meaning voting more than once from the same person/system). But it's one of the best ways of gauging the fan's opinions. So if Bioware is trying to see what fans do and don't like, the internet is a great way to do so.

Had they never used the internet to see what fans want, it's doubtful that Garrus would even be a romance option. After all, you don't see many female gamers compared to male players, let alone female players who played ME1. Yet Bioware listened and Garrus fangirls are happy. Fun for everyone.

Modifié par Collider, 07 février 2010 - 07:29 .

[Lord Atlia]

Indeed Collider and things like Blasto, the "quad" comments Krogan make, and as stated somewhere above, Talimance, are all fan service based on internet response.

[WarmachineX0]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

There's no telling who the most popular character is. Simply put, there's insufficient data on the matter. As far as saying Tali is the most likeable character in both games, that's a matter of opinion that cannot be put in if one is trying to go on strict numbers.

No I stand by the Likeability factor. She's the consistently nicest, most likeable squadmate in both games who always stands by your character no matter what. Key word here is 'consistent.' Liara is very likable in ME1, but not as much in ME2, for example.

Tali's personality is so affectionate that many people at the very least get 'kid sister' feelings for her, even if they don't care for her romantically. Because of her huge likability factor over two games, she's going to have some popularity.

Most other characters in this series suffer from greater polarization of opinions than Tali. Most anti-tali posters here seem to hate the fans more than the character herself. Just an observation.

I won't lie, Tali fans creep me out.

I won't lie, 1/2 of the people on this forum, regaurdless of who they are fans of, creep me out.

[VettoRyouzou]

Keltoris wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

In relation to the total number of consumers of ME, there aren't. Tali fans are just REALLY vocal.

Oh dear god this.

I like Tali's character.

I swear that 8000 reply thread is going to get her killed out of spite in ME3.

I vote every character that even liked remotely die in the most horrid way.

See what I did there =p.

[mcvxiii]

Lord Atlia wrote...
Sorry, I retract my statement and would like to point out that arguing things like who are the best and worst characters is hard because there is very little useable data.  A lot of people just draw lines like Miranda is attractive and designed to appeal to the casual crowd therefore she must appeal to the casual crowd which isn't always the case.  Really as someone stated above (don't remember who) only Bioware's marketing department has anything good to work with.

Ok, fair enough. I have no problems with people having thier own personal likes and dislikes and arguing them in a rational fashion, that is part of human communication. My issues with some of your statements was you were jumping all over someone about their unsubstantiated claims by created your own unsubstantiated claims. Just the little inclusion of something like IMO changes you from "absolute authority on the matter with (no) data to back it up" to the opinion of someone on the internet.