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I disagree. I'm not afraid of change, nor do I hate all change. However, I play video games for recreational purposes. That means that the games I play should be enjoyable. I enjoyed ME1 immensely because of the story and, yes, because of the combat. It was FUN! ME2 has the story, just as ME1 did, and honestly, on the whole, I like the NPC crew in ME2 better than the ME1 crew. What I dislike about ME2 is the combat (they ramped it up and made it too bloody intense at the casual level), the planet scanning (it puts me to sleep) and the lack of choices in weapons and powers. ME2 is highly enjoyable...until I get to a battle, and since there are tons of battles the game isn't as fun to me as ME1 was. I feel stressed out during most of the battles, and being stressed out does not equate to an enjoyable gaming experience.

I'll admit, when I first tried playing ME2 I absolutely hated it. Being a Vanguard in ME1 was awesome; being a vanguard in ME2 sucks ass, to put it bluntly. Once I changed classes, it got more tolerable. I'd say about half the battles are still stressful. The other half are kind of fun because I can destroy everything in my path and only fire my gun a couple of times. Running out of bullets or thermal clips or whatever the hell you want to call them annoys me to death. Were it not for that, I don't think I'd even get pissed during the battles, but knowing that I have such a limited number of shots makes me feel like I could chew steel so I try not to shoot anything for fear that something worse is on the horizon and I'll get caught with my pants down, so to speak.

Anyway, my point is that my problems with ME2 aren't because I hate anything new. Instead, they are because this game is too tense. In their effort to kiss the asses of the people who whined because battle in ME1 wasn't "intense" enough to give them a huge woodie, BioWare has crapped all over the people who play the game and have no desire to feel like we're fighting for our lives every moment of every day. For God's sake, Shepard is supposed to be a supreme badass but lower level mechs give her (or him) problems. It's ludicrous. This isn't Call of Duty where you're playing just another soldier...this is a game where your name strikes fear into people, yet there you are having to duck behind crates because a no-name Krogan is after your head. Screw that. Any no-name, non-important enemies should be fodder for Shepard. Period. And throw in the fact that "new technology" is crap when compared to old tech (come on, we're really supposed to buy this crap that having to change heat sinks gives us some advantage over endless ammo instead of acknowledging the fac that the devs just came up with the idea to suck up to shooter fans who ****ed and moaned about the ease of ME1???) and it just irks me further. I see no reason they couldn't have left some aspects alone and just made the higher levels (hardcore and insanity) flat out impossible so the little boys who like to show off how great their "shooting" skills are (and don't get me started on the fact that, if you handed most of them a real gun they would shoot themselves in the foot while a number of us "people who suck at shooters" could hit the damned target six times before they figured out how to load a real damned gun) could be happy while the rest of us could be happy too. Instead, we get screwed. Am I still playing the game? Yep, but I'm not overly happy. And if ME3 is adjusted to suck even more shooter-fan c**k then I'm going to be even more pissed off.

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I beat the game as Vanguard twice, once on Normal, then again on Insanity. I had no problem bringing the smackdown. So on that point i really can't sympathize.
Your second point seems to be around the fact that you think Sheperd should be able to just tank through the enemies while they stand there in fear just because he is who he is. Sorry, but this is a stupid ****ing reason to not like a game. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but...really? This pissed you off that much? The first game had awful combat mechanics, it just didn't work, period. Bioware admitted afterwards that the shooting wasn't what they wanted it to be & almost everybody else agrees.
At the time most people agreed that the game needed improvements, especially in regard to the combat. ME2 the sequel almost everybody wanted, the rest need to stop looking at ME1 with rose-tinted glasses and realise things had to change.


I agree with everything Digital jus said.

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KPnuts123 wrote...

Guys if you want to flame the hell out of each other do it via PM not in a positiv e ME2 thread please. Although the outcome could be fun.

I would, but he blocked me.

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i certainly don't hate the game but i REALLY widh they hadn't neutered the soul of the game

they took out all the bad elements along with  the best moments, wheres our "vigil", or v"virmire" moments? wheres the personalized sidequests and motivation?

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Same offer for you, don't bother me and I won't bother you.

You bothered/attacked me first, you, 95% of the time instigated stuff like this and then when you get attacked in the process, you cry like a baby and play the victim. Quit being so petty hun and move on with life.


You must be a woman, only woman nag so much. I'm tired and sleepy but before I hit the rack tell me, deal or no deal. I won't bug you and you won't bug me.

I don't care what you think about ME2 just as much as you don't care about my opinion.

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Guys if you want to flame the hell out of each other do it via PM not in a positiv e ME2 thread please. Although the outcome could be fun.


How about I flame your house. Joking, I'm not in the little cat fight going on.

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You must be a woman, only woman nag so much. I'm tired and sleepy but before I hit the rack tell me, deal or no deal. I won't bug you and you won't bug me.

I don't care what you think about ME2 just as much as you don't care about my opinion.

And little kids troll and spam nonstop going by your childish mentality. Did i ever tell you "ME2 rawks STfu?"

No, all i ever told you to do was to shut the hell up because you  kept spamming and bashed anybody that disagreed with your opinion.

Don't spout the "dont bug me and i wont bug you" crap considering you started it, unblock me from your Profile and we can settle this on PM, like gentlemen.

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gmartin40 wrote...

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Guys if you want to flame the hell out of each other do it via PM not in a positiv e ME2 thread please. Although the outcome could be fun.


How about I flame your house. Joking, I'm not in the little cat fight going on.


I know you're not in the fight but at least one person it was aimed at got the message.

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Actually just thinking about it Sithlord is the one with the friend who won't play any game not set in today's timeline.

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KPnuts123 wrote...

Actually just thinking about it Sithlord is the one with the friend who won't play any game not set in today's timeline.

And?

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gmartin40 wrote...

Here is what I think

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Sadly, nobody cares, if you cares.

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DigitalLiquid I wrote...

I beat the game as Vanguard twice, once on Normal, then again on Insanity. I had no problem bringing the smackdown. So on that point i really can't sympathize.


Goodie for you. Want a effing cookie? Sorry, buddy, but just because it was a cakewalk for you doens't mean it's that way for everyone. I'm so sick of this condescending crap attitude shooter fans have toward those who dare say that the shooting parts of this game were not easy for them. Thirty minute battles, fifteen minutes of which are spent with me ducking behind crates and bottle feeding med packs to my other two squad members - who are too retarded to get their stupid asses off said crates so they don't get shot up - is not fun to me. And I don't consider it "easy". So don't sympathize, but you aren't the end-all-be-all of what is "not a problem". If the devs don't get some feedback from others - who I notice are bashed at every turn around this bloody place - then they won't know. I was giving my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Get over it.

Your second point seems to be around the fact that you think Sheperd should be able to just tank through the enemies while they stand there in fear just because he is who he is. Sorry, but this is a stupid ****ing reason to not like a game. Everybody is entitled to their opinion but...really? This pissed you off that much? The first game had awful combat mechanics, it just didn't work, period. Bioware admitted afterwards that the shooting wasn't what they wanted it to be & almost everybody else agrees. 


Oh shove it. Don't tell me what reason I should have for liking or disliking a game. Granted, my rant went on tangents, but the main gist was that (and I'll put it in caps so you can get it this time): THE CASUAL LEVEL DOESN'T FEEL CASUAL ANYMORE!!!  If Bioware wants to suck your d*** by adjusting battle to suit you, that's dandy for you, but some of us want something that isn't so bloody annoying. We don't play it to be stressed out, hence THE CASUAL LEVEL. I'm not the only one who has stated that the casual level doesn't feel casual, either. And, since the original poster was trying to make it as though anyone who doens't fall all over Bioware for ME2 is simply bitter because they don't like change, I was providing another reason. That you don't like my reason is your damned problem. Not mine. Double goes for the fact that I don't find these "improvements" to really be improvements at all.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

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You must be a woman, only woman nag so much. I'm tired and sleepy but before I hit the rack tell me, deal or no deal. I won't bug you and you won't bug me.

I don't care what you think about ME2 just as much as you don't care about my opinion.

And little kids troll and spam nonstop going by your childish mentality. Did i ever tell you "ME2 rawks STfu?"

No, all i ever told you to do was to shut the hell up because you  kept spamming and bash anybody that disagree's with your opinion.

Don't spout the "dont bug me and i wont bug you" crap considering you started it, unblock me from your Profile and we can settle this on PM, like gentlemen.


You really should just take the offer, you have my word I will not bug you. 

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Seems to be the general response to the game thus far. And I think I found the answer why. Because it's not ME1. People hate it because the second installment is not exactly like the first game. These people are afriad of change, and how they have managed to stay engaged in video games for so long is beyond me.
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I disagree. I'm not afraid of change, nor do I hate all change. However, I play video games for recreational purposes. That means that the games I play should be enjoyable. I enjoyed ME1 immensely because of the story and, yes, because of the combat. It was FUN! ME2 has the story, just as ME1 did, and honestly, on the whole, I like the NPC crew in ME2 better than the ME1 crew. What I dislike about ME2 is the combat (they ramped it up and made it too bloody intense at the casual level), the planet scanning (it puts me to sleep) and the lack of choices in weapons and powers. ME2 is highly enjoyable...until I get to a battle, and since there are tons of battles the game isn't as fun to me as ME1 was. I feel stressed out during most of the battles, and being stressed out does not equate to an enjoyable gaming experience.

I'll admit, when I first tried playing ME2 I absolutely hated it. Being a Vanguard in ME1 was awesome; being a vanguard in ME2 sucks ass, to put it bluntly. Once I changed classes, it got more tolerable. I'd say about half the battles are still stressful. The other half are kind of fun because I can destroy everything in my path and only fire my gun a couple of times. Running out of bullets or thermal clips or whatever the hell you want to call them annoys me to death. Were it not for that, I don't think I'd even get pissed during the battles, but knowing that I have such a limited number of shots makes me feel like I could chew steel so I try not to shoot anything for fear that something worse is on the horizon and I'll get caught with my pants down, so to speak.

Anyway, my point is that my problems with ME2 aren't because I hate anything new. Instead, they are because this game is too tense. In their effort to kiss the asses of the people who whined because battle in ME1 wasn't "intense" enough to give them a huge woodie, BioWare has crapped all over the people who play the game and have no desire to feel like we're fighting for our lives every moment of every day. For God's sake, Shepard is supposed to be a supreme badass but lower level mechs give her (or him) problems. It's ludicrous. This isn't Call of Duty where you're playing just another soldier...this is a game where your name strikes fear into people, yet there you are having to duck behind crates because a no-name Krogan is after your head. Screw that. Any no-name, non-important enemies should be fodder for Shepard. Period. And throw in the fact that "new technology" is crap when compared to old tech (come on, we're really supposed to buy this crap that having to change heat sinks gives us some advantage over endless ammo instead of acknowledging the fac that the devs just came up with the idea to suck up to shooter fans who ****ed and moaned about the ease of ME1???) and it just irks me further. I see no reason they couldn't have left some aspects alone and just made the higher levels (hardcore and insanity) flat out impossible so the little boys who like to show off how great their "shooting" skills are (and don't get me started on the fact that, if you handed most of them a real gun they would shoot themselves in the foot while a number of us "people who suck at shooters" could hit the damned target six times before they figured out how to load a real damned gun) could be happy while the rest of us could be happy too. Instead, we get screwed. Am I still playing the game? Yep, but I'm not overly happy. And if ME3 is adjusted to suck even more shooter-fan c**k then I'm going to be even more pissed off.

/end rant

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I played ME1 4 or 5 times as a simple soldier. I never played anything different, don't really know why but they never looked to appealing. In between then and before ME2 came out I ended up losing my HD and all my data so I went out and got ME1 again and decided to try something new. Went with Vangaurd. Loved it. Carried it over to ME2. Loved it even more.

I can understand where you're coming from but it really just sounds like a difficulty issue. Play the game on easy. I'm not trying to insult but if your problem with the game is about the intense combat then you should simply tone it down. I played ME2 first time through on veteran and was pleased with the challenge of both having to learn my relatively new class and dealing with an amped battle system. There are a lot of people out there who enjoy challenging games. If ME2 was too easy a lot of people would be disappointed, simple as that. Also, Shepard is a badass but he's going up against more than simply humans who are afraid (not to mention there is a side mission against some blue suns mercs where they're absolutely terrified), he's also fighting emotionless mechs and beings who think they're superior. Looking at it like that, nobody should really run from Shepard, they'll get no mercy so their only hope is to fight harder than anything.

The whole game wasn't changed to please shooter fans. But the Soldier class was. They promoted that class to appeal to fans of that Genre. Other classes to appeal to other types of players. Like I said, I didn't want to play another shooter so I went vanguard and finally saw Mass Effect's gameplay for what it was. (I tore through the game). Also, the heatsink thing makes since if you look into it. Before you have a gun that can fire X-ammount of time then it overheats. Overheating would cause damage in real life. So, you get heat sinks. Fire same amount of times but instead of over heating the heat is dumped into "clips" when they reach a limit you reload. Its a legit explanation imo. I personally never had a problem running out of ammo either, all classes have more than one gun to use.

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Here is what I think

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Sadly, nobody cares, if you cares.


Ouch. Sith Lord, I was on your side. I was saying no one cares about their opinions, but go ahead and continue to flame.

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You really should just take the offer, you have my word I will not bug you. 

Bug me for all i care, why should i take an offer from a hypocritical individual? Infact i am just waiting for you to start flaming and if you do, you have my word that i won't flame you.

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Well, I think the point has been made. Everyone hates everyone because not everyone is everyone. Minority Majority and so on.

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I say, leave SithLord alone because you did bring that person into this by adding their name into the argument.

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SithLordExarKun wrote...

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You really should just take the offer, you have my word I will not bug you. 

Bug me for all i care, why should i take an offer from a hypocritical individual? Infact i am just waiting for you to start flaming and if you do, you have my word that i won't flame you.


That settles it then.

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Ouch. Sith Lord, I was on your side. I was saying no one cares about their opinions, but go ahead and continue to flame.

My sincere apologies for being a dick to you, i thought you attacked me.

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MassEffect762 wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

MassEffect762 wrote...

You really should just take the offer, you have my word I will not bug you. 

Bug me for all i care, why should i take an offer from a hypocritical individual? Infact i am just waiting for you to start flaming and if you do, you have my word that i won't flame you.


That settles it then.

No, please DO bug me, please keepy harrassing me i beg you! Im soo scared that you will keep bugging me wahh!

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I'm with gmartin here Masseffect762. You should just leave SithLordExarKun alone as you're the one that brought that person into this.

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